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God's Holy Word was authored by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. Holy men penned the words breathed to them from inside them by the Holy Spirit. 2Pe 1:21 God, the Holy Spirit moved these men to write things which they could not possibly have understood at the time. I have listed some of these things found in Genesis and you have failed to refute a single one of them. Atheists agnostics and phonies are blaspheming/slandering the Holy Spirit and not mortal men as you falsely imply. Here is what happens to those unaware of their lying language according to Jesus Christ:

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
More unsupported claims. Meanwhile the countless errors in the Bible shows that either your God is incompetent or that the Bible is not the word of God. Painting God as an incompetent and evil being always seemed blasphemous to me, that is why the Bible is clearly not the word of God.
 
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Here is reality: God told us more than 3k years ago that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from WATER. Science announced the discovery of the SAME thing last year. Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things - The New York Times
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things

Now, it's your time to tell us HOW any ancient man who lived 3k years ago, knew and correctly wrote the recently discovered Scientific Truth. No one else can.

As I have told you countless times, your argument fails on both sides.

Your claim that science did not discover it until last year fails because the idea of life originating in water has been discussed as far back as 1871 by Charles Darwin when he referred to life originating in a warm little pond.

And your claim that people 3000 years ago couldn't have known is just wrong. Remember, these people lived in the desert. They would have been able to EASILY see the connection between water and life. It is perfectly plausible that they could have known that water is essential for life without a god to tell them.
 
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Aman:>>Here is reality: God told us more than 3k years ago that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from WATER. Science announced the discovery of the SAME thing last year. Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things - The New York Times
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things

Now, it's your time to tell us HOW any ancient man who lived 3k years ago, knew and correctly wrote the recently discovered Scientific Truth. No one else can.

***That's easy. A vague statement can be interpreted in many different ways - after the fact, it may seem to match well with our current understanding of reality, but if reality had been different the same vague statement would seem to fit just as well. Saying that life "came from the water" - well, where else would it have come from? Probably the water or the land, right? It could simply be a somewhat lucky guess.

Until last year, there were many many ideas of where life came from. Panspermia, abiogenesis and others were debated. Don't you find it interesting that the consensus became from the WATER? If you think that's a coincidence then please explain WHY God made at least 3 Heavens according to Gen 1:6-8 and Gen 2:4.

***The part that you are quoting is:
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowlthat may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

If I'm interpreting this correctly, God says that the water should "bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life", and this happens. Importantly, the "water bringing forth" seems to apply to the fowl as well. If I was just looking at this part, it seems like (according to this book) all things were "brought forth" from the waters. However, the next part is:

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

In other words, God then tells the earth to "bring forth living creatures," and then the earth does so. It doesn't say that it already happened - the earth-bound creatures had not already been created. This means that they were not brought forth from the water. So closer inspection shows that this does not mesh with our current understanding of early life. The two descriptions of the beginnings of life look slightly vaguely similar, but that's all.

Can you see the his kinds which I bolded? Notice also that their kinds is also bolded. God (Elohim-The Trinity) speaks and the Son (YHWH/Jesus-God incarnate) produces the "common ancestors", the temporal creatures, which are subject to DEATH. When God the Trinity "creates" it is always an ETERNAL creation, which means that the creature is made immortal, just like Christians are created forever only by the Trinity's creation. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16

Do you now see the difference between His and Their kinds?
 
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More unsupported claims. Meanwhile the countless errors in the Bible shows that either your God is incompetent or that the Bible is not the word of God. Painting God as an incompetent and evil being always seemed blasphemous to me, that is why the Bible is clearly not the word of God.

Wrong ole unbeliever. God's Holy Word was authored by the Spirit of Truth from inside the men who penned what He moved them to write. Your's is a changeable theory of men who have rejected God's Truth in favor of mortal man's half-truth which is bound to change. The problem is with your twisted logic. Amen?
 
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As I have told you countless times, your argument fails on both sides.

Your claim that science did not discover it until last year fails because the idea of life originating in water has been discussed as far back as 1871 by Charles Darwin when he referred to life originating in a warm little pond.

And your claim that people 3000 years ago couldn't have known is just wrong. Remember, these people lived in the desert. They would have been able to EASILY see the connection between water and life. It is perfectly plausible that they could have known that water is essential for life without a god to tell them.

Then WHY does God tell us He made at least 3 Universes? One on the 2nd Day, Gen 1:8 created by God the Trinity and at least two more on the 3rd Day, Gen 2:4 and created to be temporary by Lord God/Jesus, because both will be destroyed totally. ONLY God knew He made many Universes/Heavens. Today's so called Science is still searching for what God told us in Genesis chapter ONE. No ancient man could have possibly known this. That's why I tell you now, before Science "discovers" this as it did that all life came from Water, last year. Amen?
 
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Wrong ole unbeliever. God's Holy Word was authored by the Spirit of Truth from inside the men who penned what He moved them to write. Your's is a changeable theory of men who have rejected God's Truth in favor of mortal man's half-truth which is bound to change. The problem is with your twisted logic. Amen?


Wrong again, the endless errors in the Bible demonstrates that is not the case.

And yes, my theory is changeable. That is why it beats your Bible. You see when an error is discovered in a theory the scientific method provides a way to correct it. How do you correct the errors in the Bible?
 
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You see when an error is discovered in a theory the scientific method provides a way to correct it.
After how long though?

It took Thalidomide nine months to find something wrong; Pluto seventy-six years; Aristotle two thousand.
 
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After how long though?

It took Thalidomide nine months to find something wrong; Pluto seventy-six years; Aristotle two thousand.

Look how many thousands of years your Bible has been wrong, and still is. Thalidiomide looks amazingly accurate in comparison. Pluto was not shown to be wrong. It is amazing that you still do not understand after all these years. And Aristotle was shown to be wrong much earlier than that, but he was not a scientist. Science is much younger than you seem to realize.
 
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Wrong again, the endless errors in the Bible demonstrates that is not the case.

And yes, my theory is changeable. That is why it beats your Bible. You see when an error is discovered in a theory the scientific method provides a way to correct it. How do you correct the errors in the Bible?

There are none, since God's Truth changes NOT. Those who CLAIM to see errors in the Bible are confessing that they CANNOT understand Scripture. It's that way with ALL unbelievers. 1Co 2:14 It's what happens to those who blaspheme/slander the Author of Scripture, the Spirit of Truth, all the Day long.
 
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There are none, since God's Truth changes NOT. Those who CLAIM to see errors in the Bible are confessing that they CANNOT understand Scripture. It's that way with ALL unbelievers. 1Co 2:14 It's what happens to those who blaspheme/slander the Author of Scripture, the Spirit of Truth, all the Day long.


Sorry, another verse that you do not understand does not take away the obvious errors in the Bible.
 
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Meanwhile the countless errors in the Bible shows that either your God is incompetent or that the Bible is not the word of God.
This thinking comes from the skeptics Bible and is the product of a reprobate mind. There is no error in the Bible - there is an error in the way skeptics, scoffers and infidels understand and interpret the Bible. Jesus warns us to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

Romans 3 3 "What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Absolutely not! Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that You may be justified in Your words, and prevail in Your judgments.”
 
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Aman:>>Here is reality: God told us more than 3k years ago that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from WATER. Science announced the discovery of the SAME thing last year. Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things - The New York Times
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things

Now, it's your time to tell us HOW any ancient man who lived 3k years ago, knew and correctly wrote the recently discovered Scientific Truth. No one else can.

***That's easy. A vague statement can be interpreted in many different ways - after the fact, it may seem to match well with our current understanding of reality, but if reality had been different the same vague statement would seem to fit just as well. Saying that life "came from the water" - well, where else would it have come from? Probably the water or the land, right? It could simply be a somewhat lucky guess.

Until last year, there were many many ideas of where life came from. Panspermia, abiogenesis and others were debated. Don't you find it interesting that the consensus became from the WATER? If you think that's a coincidence then please explain WHY God made at least 3 Heavens according to Gen 1:6-8 and Gen 2:4.

***The part that you are quoting is:
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowlthat may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

If I'm interpreting this correctly, God says that the water should "bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life", and this happens. Importantly, the "water bringing forth" seems to apply to the fowl as well. If I was just looking at this part, it seems like (according to this book) all things were "brought forth" from the waters. However, the next part is:

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

In other words, God then tells the earth to "bring forth living creatures," and then the earth does so. It doesn't say that it already happened - the earth-bound creatures had not already been created. This means that they were not brought forth from the water. So closer inspection shows that this does not mesh with our current understanding of early life. The two descriptions of the beginnings of life look slightly vaguely similar, but that's all.

Can you see the his kinds which I bolded? Notice also that their kinds is also bolded. God (Elohim-The Trinity) speaks and the Son (YHWH/Jesus-God incarnate) produces the "common ancestors", the temporal creatures, which are subject to DEATH. When God the Trinity "creates" it is always an ETERNAL creation, which means that the creature is made immortal, just like Christians are created forever only by the Trinity's creation. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16

Do you now see the difference between His and Their kinds?

Dude, for crying out loud, learn how to use the quote function. It's almost impossible for me to figure out which part is actually your response! It's not that hard!

Try this response again and use the quotes properly and I will respond. But I will not reply until you can communicate clearly.
 
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Then WHY does God tell us He made at least 3 Universes? One on the 2nd Day, Gen 1:8 created by God the Trinity and at least two more on the 3rd Day, Gen 2:4 and created to be temporary by Lord God/Jesus, because both will be destroyed totally. ONLY God knew He made many Universes/Heavens. Today's so called Science is still searching for what God told us in Genesis chapter ONE. No ancient man could have possibly known this. That's why I tell you now, before Science "discovers" this as it did that all life came from Water, last year. Amen?

God created three universe.

Right....

And once again, scientists did not discover that life came from water. We've known about water's vitality for life for centuries. You are now repeating things I have shown you to be false, as well as some really unorthodox views on the interpretation of Genesis. I don't see how I can have a rational discussion with you.
 
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Until last year, there were many many ideas of where life came from. Panspermia, abiogenesis and others were debated.
Scientists have been reasonably certain that life originated in water for longer than that. We weren't sure whether it was a film/crust on the top, or near a volcanic source of hot water and minerals, et cetera, but "from the water" has been our best guess for a while now.

But why does that even matter? Like I said, the Bible does not say that all life came from the water!
Don't you find it interesting that the consensus became from the WATER? If you think that's a coincidence then please explain WHY God made at least 3 Heavens according to Gen 1:6-8 and Gen 2:4.
...why in the four hells do I need to explain the actions of a fictional being in order to say that "from water" is a coincidence?

Can you see the his kinds which I bolded? Notice also that their kinds is also bolded. God (Elohim-The Trinity) speaks and the Son (YHWH/Jesus-God incarnate) produces the "common ancestors", the temporal creatures, which are subject to DEATH. When God the Trinity "creates" it is always an ETERNAL creation, which means that the creature is made immortal, just like Christians are created forever only by the Trinity's creation. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16

Do you now see the difference between His and Their kinds?
What? That's not at all a reasonable interpretation of the Bible; you're twisting it to fit an existing narrative that you want it to fit to. Anyway, there's a much more reasonable pattern to the "his" and "their" instances - it's "their" whenever the pronoun refers to a plural noun, and "his" otherwise!
 
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There are none, since God's Truth changes NOT. Those who CLAIM to see errors in the Bible are confessing that they CANNOT understand Scripture. It's that way with ALL unbelievers. 1Co 2:14 It's what happens to those who blaspheme/slander the Author of Scripture, the Spirit of Truth, all the Day long.
This is just dishonest. This argument can support any claim, regardless of the truth value of said claim; it is thus fallacious.
 
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Local floods don't exist? Ask the people in Texas if local floods are impossible.
 
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Local floods don't exist? Ask the people in Texas if local floods are impossible.
I'll ask if a local flood can cover Signal Peak, while leaving surrounding counties dry.
 
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