Is God constrained?

Is there anything that prevents God from doing some things?

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Is there anything that prevents God from doing some things? What things? Justify your answer.

God is good and just. So, He doesn’t do anything evil or wrong. But I think that is not constrained by anyone else. He does what He wants and His own will is what constrains Him to do evil. That is what I believe.
 
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God is good and just. So, He doesn’t do anything evil or wrong. But I think that is not constrained by anyone else. He does what He wants and His own will is what constrains Him to do evil. That is what I believe.
You mean that is what constrains him NOT to do evil or constrains him from doing evil. If he were constrained to do evil then all he could do would be evil.
 
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Well, he changed his mind about the prophesied destruction of Niniveh-didn't he? He also seems to have changed his mind about those who practice adultery since many of his servants such as Abraham, David, Solomon, had many wives and concubines and are spoken of as being righteous while telling us that adulterers will not enter the kingdom of God. No? So it seems as if there is some useful rationalization which seems to circumvent that constraining IMHO.

True that, I agree He changes His mind. I haven't really looked into it too much but I vaguely assume He speaks some conditional-prophecy and some prophecy He causes to happen (by His Word - as in, His Word causes it). I guess I am referring to the latter but meh, again, haven't studied into it - plus I was trying to summarise what others had already written.
 
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Are you saying that God did NOT change his mind with Niniveh? If you are then you are writing your own version of the Bible. The same applies to your denial of all the concubines and wives that other servants of God had. That is basic biblical common knowledge. Denial of what the word of God clearly says and writing our own sanitized version is blasphemy. As for your spiritual adultery reference? That is strawman.
Straw man - Wikipedia

It is not a straw man. <Staff Edit> IS not the Bride the church? And she is a bride, then who is the bridesgroom? And if she go whoring after other gods, how has she not committed adultery?

I am stating it outright! GOD cannot change HIS mind. HE knows the end from the beginning. You are stating that HE can make mistakes. that GOD can repent? Then explain numbers 23:19

For GOD is not a Man that HE should lie, nor the Son of Man that HE should repent. - Do you deny this?

GOD did not say that HIS servants have done HIS will by having concubines, many wives etc... They are recorded because that is what happened.
 
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It is not a straw man. It is Spiritual, which you obviously are not. IS not the Bride the church? And she is a bride, then who is the bridesgroom? And if she go whoring after other gods, how has she not committed adultery?

I am stating it outright! GOD cannot change HIS mind. HE knows the end from the beginning. You are stating that HE can make mistakes. that GOD can repent? Then explain numbers 23:19

For GOD is not a Man that HE should lie, nor the Son of Man that HE should repent. - Do you deny this?

GOD did not say that HIS servants have done HIS will by having concubines, many wives etc... They are recorded because that is what happened.

Are you denying that God accepted these men such as David and Solomon as his faithful servants and even called Abraham his friend even though they had more than one wife and several or more concubines? That is common knowledge and basic biblical fact. Jacob had Leah and Rachel and their servants maids such as Bilha as concubines. Moses took another wife in addition to the one he had prior to returning to Egypt. She is described as being Ethiopian. Isaac had Sara as a wife and her maidservant as a concubine. In addition top Sarah he had another wife named Keturah:

Genesis 25:1
1Now Abraham took another wife, whose name was Keturah. 2She bore to him Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Ishbak and Shuah.…

Israel came through Sara and Ishmael through Hagar his concubine. You are aware that God blessed Abraham and promised that all nations of the Earth would be blessed through him-right?

David had seven wives!
The most authoritative source for David's wives is 1 Chronicles 3, which lists David's descendants for 30 generations. This source names seven wives:

  1. Ahinoam of Jezreel,
  2. Abigail the Carmel,
  3. Maachah the daughter of King Talmai of Geshur,
  4. Haggith,
  5. Abital,
  6. Eglah, and
  7. Bath-shua (Bathsheba) the daughter of Ammiel.
Jews and Judaism

As for spiritual adultery, of course I am familiar with it and how the term is used in relation to worshipping false gods and how it applies both to Israel and the Christian Church. But that isn't what I am focusing on right now so shifting attention to it constitutes a straw man argument.

BTW
Did he or did he not change his mind in reference to Nineveh? The Bible account says that he did. In fact, Jonah was angry at God because he did and G reprimanded him because he was criticizing what amounted to a display of God's mercy. Also, Genesis tells us the increase of sin on Earth caused God to regret having made mankind. That seems like a contradiction of what you just claimed.

Here is an explanation of what the Bible means when it tells us that God felt regret:
Can God Feel Regret? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Try to disregard the source which you might find offensive. Just read the explanation on its own merit.
 
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Reproduce Offspring? Are you calling GOD impotent? GOD forbid!

Impotent? Actually God has an awesome potent SEED, called Christ.
However THAT SEED, births "spirits", not body's of mankind.

I am saying God is WITHOUT beginning, and something that "is RE-produced"
1) HAS a beginning.
2) and IS produced from the SAME KIND of thing.
3) no, God does not RE-produce something of His KIND, that has NEVER had a beginning.


HE has a Son. Father Adam His Eminence is HIS Son. Luke 3:38

And? As well, so am I, "His son".

Mankind becomes Gods "son", by God declaring them His son.
Jesus as well, was declared "Gods Son".

Step dads can call their step-sons "son". The dad didn't reproduce them.
Uncles can raise a nephew and call him "son". The uncle didn't reproduce them.
Adoptive parents can call the adopted child "son". The parents didn't reproduce them.

The "son" is simply "declared" to be "A" son.

Heb 1
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The Father is "declared" to be "A" Father.
The Son is "declared" to be "A" Son.

Luke 1
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The "holy thing" revealed born out of Mary's womb, was "declared" to be called the
Son of God.

Pss 2
[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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Are you denying that God accepted these men such as David and Solomon as his faithful servants and even called Abraham his friend even though they had more than one wife and several or more concubines? That is common knowledge and basic biblical fact. Jacob had Leah and Rachel and their servants maids such as Bilha as concubines. Moses took another wife in addition to the one he had prior to returning to Egypt. She is described as being Ethiopian. Isaac had Sara as a wife and her maidservant as a concubine. In addition top Sarah he had another wife named Keturah:

Genesis 25:1
1Now Abraham took another wife, whose name was Keturah. 2She bore to him Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Ishbak and Shuah.…

Israel came through Sara and Ishmael through Hagar his concubine. You are aware that God blessed Abraham and promised that all nations of the Earth would be blessed through him-right?

David had seven wives!


As for spiritual adultery, of course I am familiar with it and how the term is used in relation to worshipping false gods and how it applies both to Israel and the Christian Church. But that isn't what I am focusing on right now so shifting attention to it constitutes a straw man argument.

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Did he or did he not change his mind in reference to Nineveh? The Bible account says that he did. In fact, Jonah was angry at God because he did and G reprimanded him because he was criticizing what amounted to a display of God's mercy. Also, Genesis tells us the increase of sin on Earth caused God to regret having made mankind. That seems like a contradiction of what you just claimed.

Here is an explanation of what the Bible means when it tells us that God felt regret:
Can God Feel Regret? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Try to disregard the source which you might find offensive. Just read the explanation on its own merit.

So you just cherry pick what you want? Explain numbers 23:19 then. Do you know that King David is playing the role of Father Adam His Eminence? And that his 7 wives are a representation of the 7 church ages? This is what i meant by you not being Spiritual.

Not once have i denied that Abraham and King David were great Men of GOD. I do state outright that Solomon was not. He was not a great man, rather, he was a tare which is why he turned away and worshipped other gods.

Now i asked you a question. Do you think GOD can make mistakes? Do you think HE can repent? If so, How then can you say with the same tongue that HE is all knowing?
 
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Impotent? Actually God has an awesome potent SEED, called Christ.
However THAT SEED, births "spirits", not body's of mankind.

I am saying God is WITHOUT beginning, and something that "is RE-produced"
1) HAS a beginning.
2) and IS produced from the SAME KIND of thing.
3) no, God does not RE-produce something of His KIND, that has NEVER had a beginning.




And? As well, so am I, "His son".

Mankind becomes Gods "son", by God declaring them His son.
Jesus as well, was declared "Gods Son".

Step dads can call their step-sons "son". The dad didn't reproduce them.
Uncles can raise a nephew and call him "son". The uncle didn't reproduce them.
Adoptive parents can call the adopted child "son". The parents didn't reproduce them.

The "son" is simply "declared" to be "A" son.

Heb 1
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The Father is "declared" to be "A" Father.
The Son is "declared" to be "A" Son.

Luke 1
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The "holy thing" revealed born out of Mary's womb, was "declared" to be called the
Son of God.

Pss 2
[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

God Bless,
SBC
JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD is GOD. HE is not HIS own Son. The Son of GOD is Father Adam His Eminence. Luke 3:38 KJV

You are not a Son as Father Adam H.E is a son. Was your body made by the hands of GOD before the fall of Man? Was the breath of life breathed into you in the same way? Were you not born of a Woman?

There is only one Son of GOD and that is Lord Adam His Eminence, the only Son of GOD, Lord of all the Administrative Heavens, Principal Ancestor of Mankind and the Pride of our race.
 
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So you just cherry pick what you want? Explain numbers 23:19 then. Do you know that King David is playing the role of Father Adam His Eminence? And that his 7 wives are a representation of the 7 church ages? This is what i meant by you not being Spiritual.

Not once have i denied that Abraham and King David were great Men of GOD. I do state outright that Solomon was not. He was not a great man, rather, he was a tare which is why he turned away and worshipped other gods.

Now i asked you a question. Do you think GOD can make mistakes? Do you think HE can repent? If so, How then can you say with the same tongue that HE is all knowing?

The offspring of the children of those wives are listen in the OT Chronological records. Had they been only symbolic representations then the genealogical r
record keeping for the sake of assuring descent when Messiah in Jesus Christ would appear would have been useless.

In fact, the Messiahship of Jesus is authenticated via those genealogies they could not have been merely symbolic.

As for God being incapable of making mistakes, or being all knowing, I haven't made those claims on this thread. So I can't very well be logically expected to defend a concept that I haven't suggested.

As for Solomon, he was bless with wisdom after praying for it.Additionally, he was inspired to wqrite three books of the Bble:

Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Solomon.

He was also given the privilege of building the temple at Jerusalem.

So he was definitely approved and blessed.

Did he err later? Yes. But that does not denigrate all he accomplished prior to his error does it? Neither does it mean that he was never in God's favor.

BTW
I never accused you of saying that those men practicing polygamy were not great.
 
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The offspring of the children of those wives are listen in the OT Chronological records. Had they been only symbolic representations then the genealogical r
record keeping for the sake of assuring descent when Messiah in Jesus Christ would appear would have been useless.

In fact, the Messiahship of Jesus is authenticated via those genealogies they could not have been merely symbolic.

As for God being incapable of making mistakes, or being all knowing, I haven't made those claims on this thread. So I can't very well be logically expected to defend a concept that I haven't suggested.

As for Solomon, he was bless with wisdom after praying for it.Additionally, he was inspired to wqrite three books of the Bble:

Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Solomon.

He was also given the privilege of building the temple at Jerusalem.

So he was definitely approved and blessed.

Did he err later? Yes. But that does not denigrate all he accomplished prior to his error does it? Neither does it mean that he was never in God's favor.

BTW
I never accused you of saying that those men practicing polygamy were not great.

There is no Genealogy for JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD because HE is GOD. Therefore, HE is not the offspring of any. Secondly, It is in the similitudes of the 7 Churches because the 7 churches are the Body of Christ and King David is in the similitude of Father Adam His Eminence, who is the Son of GOD that is a Man after GOD's Own heart.

Let us make Man in our image and after our likeness.

The Body of Christ is therefore the body produced by Father Adam His Eminence, which Eve, is playing the similitude of that body. The 7 Churches are the 7 wives which shall take hold of one Man.

Isaiah 4:1
1And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

These are the 7 church Ages which together make the Body of Christ which is the bride of Father Adam His Eminence, Mother Eve. Bathsheba is in the similitude of Eve. Solomon is in the similitude of lucifer, who was once annointed, called the annointed Cherub. And, we both know how that story ended. Jedidiah is in the similitude of the Son of Man, who is the Son of Father Adam His Eminence. This is the reason for Solomon, to distract Lucifer with Solomon, and keep hidden Jedidiah. Solomon is a tare, like lucifer is a tare. He led Israel, like lucifer led the way in heaven. And both turned to other gods, lucifer calling himself a god.

The whole book called the bi-ble - Bi meaning 2, because there are two tablet stones, the LAW and the PROPHET, is Spiritual. The Genealogies are real, yes, and the events really happened. But, there is a deeper Revelation behind everything that has been written, and everything that has taken place. They are not just arbitrary events, GOD is a GOD of Pre-destiny. This is HIS LOGOS. It is HIS plan of Salvation and GOD cannot make mistakes.
 
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There is no Genealogy for JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD because HE is GOD. Therefore, HE is not the offspring of any. Secondly, It is in the similitudes of the 7 Churches because the 7 churches are the Body of Christ and King David is in the similitude of Father Adam His Eminence, who is the Son of GOD that is a Man after GOD's Own heart.

Let us make Man in our image and after our likeness.

The Body of Christ is therefore the body produced by Father Adam His Eminence, which Eve, is playing the similitude of that body. The 7 Churches are the 7 wives which shall take hold of one Man.

Isaiah 4:1
1And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

These are the 7 church Ages which together make the Body of Christ which is the bride of Father Adam His Eminence, Mother Eve. Bathsheba is in the similitude of Eve. Solomon is in the similitude of lucifer, who was once annointed, called the annointed Cherub. And, we both know how that story ended. Jedidiah is in the similitude of the Son of Man, who is the Son of Father Adam His Eminence. This is the reason for Solomon, to distract Lucifer with Solomon, and keep hidden Jedidiah. Solomon is a tare, like lucifer is a tare. He led Israel, like lucifer led the way in heaven. And both turned to other gods, lucifer calling himself a god.

The whole book called the bi-ble - Bi meaning 2, because there are two tablet stones, the LAW and the PROPHET, is Spiritual. The Genealogies are real, yes, and the events really happened. But, there is a deeper Revelation behind everything that has been written, and everything that has taken place. They are not just arbitrary events, GOD is a GOD of Pre-destiny. This is HIS LOGOS. It is HIS plan of Salvation and GOD cannot make mistakes.

I never claimed that almighty God in heaven has a genealogy. Obviously he is described as everlasting and non-created.


Psalms 90:2
New International Version
Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.


So you are completely attributing concepts to me that you are pulling out of thin air. That doesn't encourage discussion-it stifles it since it forces me into constant explanations which should be totally unnecessary, especially because you should be able to comprehend clearly written English and not be constantly deviating the subject into unrelated areas.

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I also never claimed that the events in the Bible are totally arbitrary.

About Solomon being a tare, he might or might not ultimately be deemed that way. That is NOT for us us to decide since we don't qualify for that judgment job nor have we ben assigned to that judgment job. Jesus has.

John 5:22
New International Version
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
 
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You mean that is what constrains him NOT to do evil or constrains him from doing evil. If he were constrained to do evil then all he could do would be evil.

Yes, I meant constrains him NOT to do evil. Sorry for the mistake.
 
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JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD is GOD.

Uh huh. Agree.

HE is not HIS own Son.

au contraire - He IS called by WHATEVER He dictates.

The Son of GOD is Father Adam His Eminence. Luke 3:38 KJV

Luke 3: 38 says nothing about "Father Adam", "Adam being His Eminence", nor being "thee" begotten Son of God.

Luke 3: 38 is giving a human linage of Enos, to his human daddy, (Seth), to Seth's human daddy Adam, and THEN giving NO Human daddy for Adam, but informing us, Adam was called a "son" of God.

Luke 3
[38] Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

You are not a Son as Father Adam H.E is a son.

au contraire -
ONLY Jesus is called the Begotten "Son" of God.

Earthly men who are called a "son" of God, are called so, because of their STANDING with God.

So, NO, I am not a "Son" of God, nor was Adam.
The title only begotten "Son" of God, is reserved for Jesus only.
However, Adam was "called" a "son" of God.
And for reasons - different AND the same - I also am called a "son of God".

Was your body made by the hands of GOD before the fall of Man?

Yes. ALL body's of mankind, are formed by God.

Jer 1: [5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Was the breath of life breathed into you in the same way?

Yes. Only God is LIFE, and Only God gives Life from Him, to "things".

Were you not born of a Woman?

Yes.
However God formed my BODY. And God provided by BODY with HIS breath of life, via a Living soul.

There is only one Son of GOD and that is Lord Adam His Eminence, the only Son of GOD, Lord of all the Administrative Heavens, Principal Ancestor of Mankind and the Pride of our race.

Gibberish.

God formed my body.
God formed my body with BLOOD.
God imparted into my Body, life FROM HIM, via a living soul, that quickened (ie brought into living, MY BODY.
My Body, THEN began it's own life, which is IT'S own BLOOD.

Jer 1: [5]...I formed thee in the belly
Gen 2 [7]...LORD God ...breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
Gen 2 [7]...a living soul.
Lev 17 [11].... life of the flesh is in the blood

LATER - I ELECTED to call on the Lord according to HIS WAY -
AND I RECEIVED - Gods SEED - WHICH effected for me; A NEW BIRTH, of my spirit.

Because I have received a NEW BIRTH - I have a NEW never ending STANDING with God.
God is NOW called - a father to me and I am called a son of God.

So, no. The title of "son of God", is not reserved for whom YOU dictate it applies.
That "title", "son of God", is reserved for WHOM God dictates it applies.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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Uh huh. Agree.



au contraire - He IS called by WHATEVER He dictates.



Luke 3: 38 says nothing about "Father Adam", "Adam being His Eminence", nor being "thee" begotten Son of God.

Luke 3: 38 is giving a human linage of Enos, to his human daddy, (Seth), to Seth's human daddy Adam, and THEN giving NO Human daddy for Adam, but informing us, Adam was called a "son" of God.

Luke 3
[38] Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.



au contraire -
ONLY Jesus is called the Begotten "Son" of God.

Earthly men who are called a "son" of God, are called so, because of their STANDING with God.

So, NO, I am not a "Son" of God, nor was Adam.
The title only begotten "Son" of God, is reserved for Jesus only.
However, Adam was "called" a "son" of God.
And for reasons - different AND the same - I also am called a "son of God".



Yes. ALL body's of mankind, are formed by God.

Jer 1: [5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.



Yes. Only God is LIFE, and Only God gives Life from Him, to "things".



Yes.
However God formed my BODY. And God provided by BODY with HIS breath of life, via a Living soul.



Gibberish.

God formed my body.
God formed my body with BLOOD.
God imparted into my Body, life FROM HIM, via a living soul, that quickened (ie brought into living, MY BODY.
My Body, THEN began it's own life, which is IT'S own BLOOD.

Jer 1: [5]...I formed thee in the belly
Gen 2 [7]...LORD God ...breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
Gen 2 [7]...a living soul.
Lev 17 [11].... life of the flesh is in the blood

LATER - I ELECTED to call on the Lord according to HIS WAY -
AND I RECEIVED - Gods SEED - WHICH effected for me; A NEW BIRTH, of my spirit.

Because I have received a NEW BIRTH - I have a NEW never ending STANDING with God.
God is NOW called - a father to me and I am called a son of God.

So, no. The title of "son of God", is not reserved for whom YOU dictate it applies.
That "title", "son of God", is reserved for WHOM God dictates it applies.

God Bless,
SBC
Father Adam H.E, was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD. Therefore, as GOD is the Supreme Spirit Being, so too is Father Adam H.E a Spirit Being. You are not your body. Your body is your body. You are the Spirit Being, which is Programmed in the soul and baptized into the body. That is what the breath of life is.

The body which Father Adam H.E had, was a body coupled by the hands of GOD from the dust of an earth not yet fallen, that is to say, Celestial. Thus the body of Man before the fall is a Celestial Garment, which Father Adam H.E, was baptised into. The Heavenly Body which Father Adam H.E had before the fall is Celestial and Glorious. Father Adam H.E was not made a mortal, else you say that GOD is mortal. For He was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD.

Therefore, you and I and every human being which has come from our Principal Ancestor, Father Adam H.E, are in the image of Father Adam H.E after the fall. Your body is formed in the womb of a woman because the Sperm of the man fertilised the egg. But you, are not your body, you are the Spirit which is sent to pick up that body which gives you access, nay, qualifies you to run your race in the earth.

With this alone, GOD did not form your body specially, like HE did Father Adam H.E and Mother Eve. No, He designed the and moulded the mortal body which we all have. You are not the Principal Ancestor of Man, Father Adam H.E is. You did not eat the fruit which cause the alteration - the fall, Father Adam H.E did. You did not choose to die to procreate His Children, Father Adam H.E did.

Father Adam H.E is the Son of GOD, the only Son of GOD. JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD is GOD. The same GOD that birthed Father Adam H.E, the same GOD that delivered Israel out of Egypt. JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD is GOD the Son of the trinity, not the Son of GOD. GOD is not impotent. HE is not HIS own Son. HE has a Son, and it is he, that the builders have rejected.

Thus, you are not a Son, as Father Adam H.E is a Son. You are not equal to, or greater than Him. Father Adam H.E is the head of Mankind. the only one above Father Adam H.E is GOD Almighty.
 
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Do you think GOD can make mistakes? Do you think HE can repent? If so, How then can you say with the same tongue that HE is all knowing?

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Open Theism relates to this thread because God, in Open Theism, is constrained even in His knowledge of the total future. He has some knowledge of the future, but not total knowledge. This is because humans have free will and "choose their own adventure" - rather than a fixed single future determined by God - which really doesn't make much sense when we look around and see all the pain and evil in the world - if this is God's perfect picture of life then it's rather evil. Instead man and other beings with free will are also involved in determining the future. Tough pill to swallow if this is new to you. But it is the best defense to the Problem of Evil IMO .
 
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Open theism - Wikipedia

Open Theism relates to this thread because God, in Open Theism, is constrained even in His knowledge of the total future. He has some knowledge of the future, but not total knowledge. This is because humans have free will and "choose their own adventure" - rather than a fixed single future determined by God - which really doesn't make much sense when we look around and see all the pain and evil in the world - if this is God's perfect picture of life then it's rather evil. Instead man and other beings with free will are also involved in determining the future. Tough pill to swallow if this is new to you. But it is the best defense to the Problem of Evil IMO .
We are in a fallen world. This is not a perfect picture at all. GOD is the GOD of Pre-destiny. HE knows the end from the beginning. Nothing takes GOD unawares.
 
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Open theism - Wikipedia

Open Theism relates to this thread because God, in Open Theism, is constrained even in His knowledge of the total future. He has some knowledge of the future, but not total knowledge. This is because humans have free will and "choose their own adventure" - rather than a fixed single future determined by God - which really doesn't make much sense when we look around and see all the pain and evil in the world - if this is God's perfect picture of life then it's rather evil. Instead man and other beings with free will are also involved in determining the future. Tough pill to swallow if this is new to you. But it is the best defense to the Problem of Evil IMO .


How does saying that an almighty God allows evil because he gave free will solve the problem or exonerate him from all responsibility? Along with power comes a certain responsibility to intervene. If I as a human have the power to intervene when woman is being raped or a child is being molested-then I will be justifiably deemed an accomplice if I don't. Right?

Now, if I choose not to intervene in such cases-How am I qualified to be condemning others because they don't intervene since I am setting the bad example? That comes across as the same hipocritical: "Do as I say and not as I do!""Balony that some preachers practice.
 
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