September 23 'sign in the heavens' debunked.

Steve Petersen said:

The many, many predictions of the prophecy predictors give people a reason to scoff when their predictions ALWAYS FAIL. Scripture says that those who make predictions that don't come to pass are FALSE PROPHETS. These 'prophets' diminish the Scriptures in the eyes of outsiders by making ridiculous claims based on them. Shame on all prophecy predictors!

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This isn't a prediction. That is where you are missing it.

Besides, a prophet is one who speaks for God. We aren't speaking for God. We are seeing what was written and telling people 'there it is, as written'. Technically, it's the scoffers who are trying to pull people away and get them to not believe what the scriptures tell us.

Take your false accusations somewhere else.

Steve Petersen said:

If you are not a prophecy predictor as you indicate, why take umbrage at my post?

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Because you are accusing people falsely, and did so while quoting my post directly. On what basis would I not assume you were accusing me?

The sign is there. People can deny it, but it changes nothing. There is a lot of speculation the rapture will occur in the same time frame with the sign. Speculation is not prophecy!! And that speculation is warranted. John tells us the sign that God linked to the rapture, the harpazo of the male child, and as a result, seems to tell us the time frame. Meanwhile, Paul tells us the day as the Feast of Trumpets when the last trump is blown, and also the time of day (the twinkling of an eye). It just so happens, both markers coincide together.

So, speculation for those who are watching concerning the rapture is not unfounded. They certainly don't need people like you giving them a hard time. Unfortunately, there are many filling the roles of the last day scoffers quite comfortably.

Steve Petersen said:

What are all you prophecy predictors gonna say when you don't get raptured up on September 23?

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What I used to say when I dabbled in date setting, back to the drawing board. I haven't seen any predictions that there will be a rapture although I suspect you could find a few if you looked for them. What I'm getting is that is suspected something significant will happen with Israel.

Steve Petersen said:

The many, many predictions of the prophecy predictors give people a reason to scoff when their predictions ALWAYS FAIL. Scripture says that those who make predictions that don't come to pass are FALSE PROPHETS. These 'prophets' diminish the Scriptures in the eyes of outsiders by making ridiculous claims based on them. Shame on all prophecy predictors!

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This is sadly correct.
But the Day will come when what has been told to us in the Prophetic Word, will happen. If it doesn't, then our Bibles are no better than any other fiction yarn.
We DO have a Creator, He HAS given us the Laws we should live by, and He WILL take action is His Creation to correct the current situation, that is out of control; just as it was in the days of Noah.

We are told that to study the prophesies is worth our while, 2 Peter 1:19. Amos 3:7 and Revelation 1:1, state that we His servants, have been shown what will take place. And we Christians should not be in the dark about it. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
The fact that there is so much controversy about it all, is an indictment on us. The biggest problem we have, according to scripture, is that people have fallen for false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-12 & 2 Thessalonians 2:11 say: that God puts people who do not open their minds to the truths of what God actually does plan for His people, under a compelling delusion. So be very sure that what you believe is plainly prophesied to happen.

Re this sign that will happen in a few days. I believe it will fulfil Revelation 12:1 and Luke 21:25a. What will follow is the not too distant future will be the rest of Luke 21:25-26. Verse 27 comes a few years later.
But we await a few more signs before the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, Where is Elijah?: Malachi 4:5 and I believe something will happen to Netanyahu: Micah 5:1, Isaiah 3:1-7

keras said:

Re this sign that will happen in a few days. I believe it will fulfil Revelation 12:1 and Luke 21:25a. What will follow is the not too distant future will be the rest of Luke 21:25-26. Verse 27 comes a few years later.
But we await a few more signs before the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, Where is Elijah?: Malachi 4:5 and I believe something will happen to Netanyahu: Micah 5:1, Isaiah 3:1-7

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I've always thought Rev. 12 described mid-tribulation events. Still it's rather curious that we are in a year of Jubilee. During the last 2, the 1917 Balfour Declaration establishment of a "national home" for the Jewish people in Palestine and there was the Six Day War in 1967. Three historic hurricanes raging through the Caribbean and a massive earthquake in Mexico. Add to that you have a nuclear North Korean finally developing ICBMs that can be equipped with an Hydrogen bomb.

Perhaps anecdotal or coincidental, I really don't know. One thing is for sure, I'll be watching the news Saturday.

Steve Petersen said:

I keep hearing this, but what is your source? It is not a Jubilee according to any Jewish source I can find.

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Neither have I, but it's a pretty commonly held view in Christian circles. Now I don't know how much stock I put in it since calculating it takes some doing.

mark kennedy said:

Neither have I, but it's a pretty commonly held view in Christian circles. Now I don't know how much stock I put in it since calculating it takes some doing.

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It's assumed by looking at the effects of events 50 years apart pertaining to the modern state of Israel. Since the Jubilee year was a time where the land of the Israelites were returned to their rightful owners, one can look back 100 years ago and see the Jews given the right to return to their land through the Balfour Declaration, and again 50 years later when Jerusalem was recaptured. Since these 'look' like Jubilee years, it is assumed that if they are, then the trend will continue.

SeventyOne said:

Unfortunately, there are many filling the roles of the last day scoffers quite comfortably.

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How will the rapture effect an individual person bodily differently than the resurrection?

Hank77 said:

How will the rapture effect an individual person bodily differently than the resurrection?

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According to 1 Corinthians 15:52-54, the living and the dead will both 'put on incorruption'.

SeventyOne said:

According to 1 Corinthians 15:52-54, the living and the dead will both 'put on incorruption'.

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What happens to the same person at the resurrection?
When they are resurrected?

SeventyOne said:

It's assumed by looking at the effects of events 50 years apart pertaining to the modern state of Israel. Since the Jubilee year was a time where the land of the Israelites were returned to their rightful owners, one can look back 100 years ago and see the Jews given the right to return to their land through the Balfour Declaration, and again 50 years later when Jerusalem was recaptured. Since these 'look' like Jubilee years, it is assumed that if they are, then the trend will continue.

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I don't know that there is a direct connection but I think it's compelling.

Steve Petersen said:

Is this your prediction?

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Well, I have a fair idea of when Jesus will Return and commence His Millennium reign and there is a lot that must happen before that glorious Day. Therefore, things must commence soon; starting with the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal, that will commence the final few years.

mark kennedy said:

I've always thought Rev. 12 described mid-tribulation events

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Revelation 12:6-17 is about the last 3.5 years, the 1260 days before Jesus Returns. That is why it isn't that event that will come as a thief, it will be the worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal, that will hit unexpectedly. Now very soon!
Rev 12:1-5 is about Jesus' birth and ascension to heaven.

Re Jubilees: they occur every 49 years, that provable fact is undeniable and now we simply do not know when they occur. I am inclined to think they will re-commence at Jesus' Return.

8/4/70 until

2014

1) A total lunar eclipse - 4/15/2014 - 709922 days / 31102 verses - Remainder

2) A total lunar eclipse - 10/8/2014 - 710098 days

2015)

1) A total solar eclipse - 3/20/2015 - 710261 days

3) A total lunar eclipse - 4/4/2015 - 710276 days

4) A total lunar eclipse - 9/28/2015 - 710453 days

2016

2) A total solar eclipse - 3/9/2016 - 710616 days

2017)

3) A total solar eclipse - 8/21/2017 - 711146 days

2018)

5) A total lunar eclipse - 1/31/2018 - 711309 days

6) A total lunar eclipse - 7/27/2018 - 711486 days

2019)

7) A total lunar eclipse 1/21/2019 - 711664 days

4) A total solar eclipse 7/2/2019 - 711826 days

Lunar

1) 25678| Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of The Son of Man. 43 > 7

2) 25854| Luk 21:27 And then shall they see The Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 48 > 12 > 3

3) 26032| Luk 24:40 And when He had thus spoken, He shewed them His hands and His feet. 44 > 8

4) 26209| Joh 4:52 Then enquired he of them the hour when he began to amend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him. 56 7*8 > 11 > 2

5) 27065| Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 10 > 1

6) 27242| Act 9:25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. 34 > 7

7) 27420| Act 14:5 And when there was an assault made both of the Ethnos, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully, and to stone them, 19 > 10 > 1

(7+3) 10 + (8) 18 + (2 seventh) 20 + (1) 21 + (7) 28 + (1) 29 > 11 > 2

The exact phrase "The Son of Man" occurs 25 times in Luke > 7

and three remaining matches, for a total of 28 > 10 > 1

10 - 19 - 28 ~ 37

Here

1) 15th time

2) 20th time

35 7*5


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Solar

1) 26017| Luk 24:25 Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 49 7*7 > 13 > 4 ~ Dalet - door of the eye

2) 26372| Joh 7:43 So there was a division among the people because of Him. 50 > 5 ~ Hey - behold

3) 26902| Joh 21:3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing. 24 > 6 ~ Waw - nail

4) 27582| Act 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 42 7*6 > 6 ~ Waw - nail

(4+5+6+6) 21

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9/10/2018 = 711531 days

27287| Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. 37 > 10 > 1


On this page, the verse finder is also a calculator, Just put in the number of days, display verse, that's it.

8/4/70 until 9/23/2017 = 711,179 days

711179 / 31102 ~ Remainder = 26,935

The 26,935th vs. Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same YESHUA, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have Seen Him go into heaven. 12 > 3

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9/23/2017 - 711179 days

+ 1260 days 3/6/2021 = 712439

+ 1290 days 4/5/2021 = 712469

+ 1335 days 5/20/2021 = 712514

1260) 28195 - Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Mashiach down from above. 16

1290) 28225 - Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 26

1335) 28270 - Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 16

28270 = 8470

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