Do I Really Have To OBEY God Too?

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Like I said, "not saying it will happen" but "a possibility".

I suppose the main topic I wished to stay on before veering away was about God and His commands for obedience "or else".

As far as God goes, He does say to obey His commands "or else" ( one example Luke 13:3). Does that make Him a bully now? I myself do not think so but I do understand that God does say "do this or else this will happen". The bible is chalk full of warnings like that. I can pick any book in the bible and just read a few chapters in and I find a hand full of "or else's" in it. (John 14:15; 15:14)

In which case, think carefully.

And consider this; can I be a better parent to my daughter than God is to me? The only 'or else' in my home is 'or else I will do the same'; you swear at me; I will swear at you. There is no other. Aka, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That's it.

My answer, of course, is no. What do you think?
 
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God expected obedience throughout the Torah(law) and the Prophets - why wouldn't he expect obedience now?
Indeed; God has always commended his children for obedience and chastised them for disobedience. He should expect obedience from believers today even more so since he has supplied us with grace which enables us to obey.
 
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Having been made a new creation in Christ we are called to live faithful and obedient lives to God, not to affect our own salvation, for salvation is apart from ourselves and from God alone by His grace; but to live out that faith toward our neighbor in love.

-CryptoLutheran
If our obedience is not required so as to affect our own salvation as you claim, then please explain Heb 5:9 which states that eternal salvation is given to all who "obey" him?
 
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Do I Really Have To OBEY God Too?

Hebrews 5:9
AND BEING MADE PERFECT, HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION UNTO ALL THEM ***THAT OBEY HIM***;
Genesis 22:18
"And through your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed—all because YOU HAVE OBEYED ME
Luke 11:28
Jesus replied, "But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and PUT IT INTO PRACTICE."
James 1:22–25
But don't just listen to God's word. YOU MUST DO what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves.
1 John 5:2–3
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS
2 John 6
And this is love, that we walk ACCORDING TO HIS COMMANDMENTS; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it
1 John 2:3–6
And we can be sure that we know him if we OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS.
Even Jesus had to learn obedience.

"Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered." (Hebrews 5:8). Jesus learned by experience. When He suffered in Gethsemane and later on Calvary's hill, He experienced something completely foreign to His experiences in heaven, for there is no pain, tears or death there. Of course, being omniscient, Jesus had always known what pain and death was, but had not experienced it until He became a man and suffered.
Here in God's country of Texas, we Christian rednecks. [well most of them anyway], take the Commandments very seriously............

Deu 11:13
‘And it shall be that if you earnestly obey My commandments which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul,

1Jo 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints;
here are those[fn] who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are those who do His commandments,[fn] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Rev 21:4
“And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying.
There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”


.....................
 
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Perfect obedience seems to be in drawing near to God and nothing more.

Hebrews 5:9
And he became our perfect high priest. He gives eternal salvation to all who obey him.

Hebrews 7:19
The law of Moses could not make anything perfect. But now a better hope has been given to us. And with this hope we can come near to God.


Hebrews 7:28
The law chooses high priests who are men with all their weaknesses. But the word of God’s oath came later than the law. It made God’s Son to be the high priest. And that Son has been made perfect forever.


Hebrews 9:9
This is an example for the present time. It shows that the gifts and sacrifices offered cannot make the worshiper perfect in his heart.


Hebrews 10:1
The law is only an unclear picture of the good things coming in the future. It is not a perfect picture of the real things. The people under the law offered the same sacrifices every year. These sacrifices can never make perfect those who come near to worship God.


Hebrews 10:14
With one sacrifice he made perfect forever those who are being made holy.


Hebrews 11:40
God planned to give us something better. Then they would be made perfect, but only together with us.

Hebrews 12:23
You have come to the meeting of God’s firstborn children. Their names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all people. And you have come to the spirits of good people who have been made perfect.
 
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In which case, think carefully.

And consider this; can I be a better parent to my daughter than God is to me? The only 'or else' in my home is 'or else I will do the same'; you swear at me; I will swear at you. There is no other. Aka, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That's it.

My answer, of course, is no. What do you think?

I see what you are saying, but according to scripture, I could not condone such behavior myself.

What you quoted is old testament. That worked for those times. We are under a new covenant since Christs death, burial, and resurrection. The whole "eye for an eye" and such is no longer acceptable. As the saying goes, "two wrongs do not make a right". Swearing is a sin, why would you swear back when someone swears at you (Colossians 3:8; Ephesians 4:29)? You would place your salvation in jeopardy, sinning back at someone who sinned against you. It is not Christian conduct to be doing such things.

Disciplining your child is not being a bully. It is not being overbearing if done according to scripture and how a Christians should conduct themselves.

Hebrews 12:11, is a good example.

Ephesians 6:4 as well. In fact, Eph 6:4 brings up a valid point directed to you. The question is, swearing back at your child or even "throwing a temper tantrum"(what you are quoted as saying before here) back at them like a child does, isn't that provoking them?

To be honest, I threw a temper tantrum back at my child before, all it did was upset him even further and he learned nothing from it. In fact, he got down right angry. So it is really hard for me to believe that it works for you, seeing that I personally tried some of these methods before. And it is not Christian like. I learned that, I don't do it like that anymore.

I will say it again though, I am not telling you what to do, merely showing you that scripture provides all the proof I need, that discipline is needed, "eye for an eye" is no more (Matthew 5:38-48), not to provoke your child but discipline him so that they may learn.

I must say before I stop typing here, that I appreciate your civil conduct here. It is hard for a lot of people to get told things about their parenting and yet still remain civil and calm. I must also say that it was not my intention to attack what you do or who you are, but merely point out what scripture says.

Thank you.
 
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And the purpose of this thread is..........what?

I really hope you don't think you are teaching anybody here anything new.

It's actually a great reminder to those who may need it or are just simply seeking/lurking on here without engaging. What I have read is encouragement to obey God.:yellowheart:
 
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Do I Really Have To OBEY God Too?

Hebrews 5:9
AND BEING MADE PERFECT, HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION UNTO ALL THEM ***THAT OBEY HIM***;

Genesis 22:18
"And through your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed—all because YOU HAVE OBEYED ME

Luke 11:28
Jesus replied, "But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and PUT IT INTO PRACTICE."

James 1:22–25
But don't just listen to God's word. YOU MUST DO what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves.

1 John 5:2–3
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS

2 John 6
And this is love, that we walk ACCORDING TO HIS COMMANDMENTS; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it

1 John 2:3–6
And we can be sure that we know him if we OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS.
Even Jesus had to learn obedience.

"Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered." (Hebrews 5:8). Jesus learned by experience. When He suffered in Gethsemane and later on Calvary's hill, He experienced something completely foreign to His experiences in heaven, for there is no pain, tears or death there. Of course, being omniscient, Jesus had always known what pain and death was, but had not experienced it until He became a man and suffered.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.
 
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Do I Really Have To OBEY God Too?

Hebrews 5:9
AND BEING MADE PERFECT, HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION UNTO ALL THEM ***THAT OBEY HIM***;

Genesis 22:18
"And through your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed—all because YOU HAVE OBEYED ME

Luke 11:28
Jesus replied, "But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and PUT IT INTO PRACTICE."

James 1:22–25
But don't just listen to God's word. YOU MUST DO what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves.

1 John 5:2–3
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS

2 John 6
And this is love, that we walk ACCORDING TO HIS COMMANDMENTS; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it

1 John 2:3–6
And we can be sure that we know him if we OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS.
Even Jesus had to learn obedience.

"Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered." (Hebrews 5:8). Jesus learned by experience. When He suffered in Gethsemane and later on Calvary's hill, He experienced something completely foreign to His experiences in heaven, for there is no pain, tears or death there. Of course, being omniscient, Jesus had always known what pain and death was, but had not experienced it until He became a man and suffered.

What is the meaning of obedience?

Romans 5: 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Obedience is trusting in His obedience.
 
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Dear Cobondservant. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus told us: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: on these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. The Bible tells us: give up all selfish and unloving thoughts and words, Love God with all our beings, and love our neighbour as we love ourselves. Neighbour is all we know and all we meet.
God is Love, and God wants loving men and women. The Bible tells us: Give up all selfish thoughts and start loving. Matthew 7: 7-10: tells us: Ask and you shall receive. We ask God for Love and joy and Compassion, then thank God and share all with all around, us. Why not give it a try, Cobondservant> Love will always bring results, and God is Love. I say this with love, and send greetings. Emmy your sister in Christ.
 
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What is the meaning of obedience?

Romans 5: 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Obedience is trusting in His obedience.
Just a question. So if a believer is disobeying God (sinning) is he/she still trusting in His obedience? Is that not disobedience?
 
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Keeping the commandments can be done for many reasons; it does not have to be blind obedience of a tyrant.

Meanwhile, nobody becomes righteous by keeping the commandments; we keep the commandments because the Holy Spirit helps us to do so.

Some try and put the cart before the horse in declaring themselves righteous BEFORE they obey the will of God.

Psalms 119:172 says all of God's commandments are righteous.

It is impossible for one to be righteous BEFORE he ever does any of God's righteous commands. It's not possible for a person who does unrighteous to be righteous as long as he continues in doing unrighteousness. 1 John 3:10 as long as one continues to not do righteousness, one continues to not be of God.

Man has the ability to obey God without any miraculous help of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not in the business of showing partiality in whom will or will not help in obeying God's commands. Therefore man cannot excuse his disobedience by saying the Holy Spirit failed to help me obey.
 
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Just a question. So if a believer is disobeying God (sinning) is he/she still trusting in His obedience? Is that not disobedience?

Rom 7:
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Sin lives and kills people because of the law.
 
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Some try and put the cart before the horse in declaring themselves righteous BEFORE they obey the will of God.

So true.

Man has the ability to obey God without any miraculous help of the Holy Spirit.

100% false. This is not in line with Christian thinking; not at all.
 
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