Which Great City should be considered Babylon?

Which Great City is Babylon?

  • New York

    Votes: 11 30.6%
  • London

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Los Angeles

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • Babylon

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Jerusalem

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • Rome

    Votes: 11 30.6%
  • Something Else

    Votes: 9 25.0%

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If we had to label a city Babylon, it wouldn't be Jerusalem, as that city is nowhere near as important as it once was. Nor could it be Rome, for the same reasons. I have some ideas. Just on the thought of a, "Great City," and not speaking on quote unquote "Scriptural" or "Topological" terms, just based upon how the kings, merchants, and sailors are reacting. New York, Los Angeles, London, all of these are great cities today, which one do you think it is?
 
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I voted for 1st century Jerusalem.
I voted for 1st century Rome
1st century sounds good to me.....especially 70ad..

Luke 21:24
24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Reve 11:
1 And there was given to me a reed like to a rod, and the messenger stood, saying, 'Rise, and measure the sanctuary of God and the altar and those worshipping in it;
2 and the court that is without the sanctuary be casting out! outside, and thou mayest not measure it,
because it was given to the Gentiles, and the holy City they shall tread down forty-two months;


Rome is not mentioned in Revelation, but the denarius is. I don't think that is used anymore?

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

The only reference to Jerusalem in Revelation is the New Jerusalem.

Rev 21:2
Then I, John,[fn] saw the holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
But we don't live in the First Century, do we?
No, but it was not meant for modern age. To many think the Bible talks about now it does not.
:amen: :liturgy:
I tend to agree with you......
 
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If we had to label a city Babylon, it wouldn't be Jerusalem, as that city is nowhere near as important as it once was. Nor could it be Rome, for the same reasons. I have some ideas. Just on the thought of a, "Great City," and not speaking on quote unquote "Scriptural" or "Topological" terms, just based upon how the kings, merchants, and sailors are reacting. New York, Los Angeles, London, all of these are great cities today, which one do you think it is?

I voted 'Babylon,' but I don't hold to this dogmatically. If we are talking about "Mystery, Babylon the Great," as she sits in the book of Revelation, then it's difficult to tell for sure.

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LittleLambofJesus said:
I voted for 1st century Jerusalem.
But we do not live in the First Century, do we?
Neither do the Jews of today.
I do have a thread concerning the OT and Revelation if you are interested...Gotta think Hebrew...

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

Ezekiel 8:3
He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven,
and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem,..................

[Revelation 17:3]

Reve 17:3
And he carries me away into a wilderness in spirit,
and I saw a Woman sitting on a beast, scarlet, being replete of names of blasphemy having heads, seven, and horns, ten.
[Ezekiel 8:3]

Reve 18:8
by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine/limoV <3042>; and in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD


.........The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts.............

.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.
In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ;......................

Luke 23:
28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; but rather weep for yourselves and for your children.
29 Behold! the days are coming when people will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore, and breasts that never nursed.’
30 At that time,
‘They will say to the mountains, “Fall on us,” and to the hills, “Cover us.”’c

Reve 6:16
And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb" [Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]
 
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Jerusalem. Simple
One would think so. Not sure how the Jews view it.......

Eze 16:2
“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,.........
Eze 16:
13 “Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your clothing was of fine linen, silk, and embroidered cloth. You ate pastry of fine flour, honey, and oil. You were exceedingly beautiful, and succeeded to royalty.
35 ‘Now then, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD!
Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem:
They commit adultery and walk in lies; They also strengthen the hands of evildoers,
So that no one turns back from his wickedness.
All of them are like Sodom to Me, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.


Where was Jesus crucified? Hey lookie here, Sodom is mentioned in Revelation.....

Reve 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[fn] Lord was crucified.
[Gen 19:
1 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom....
5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”]


Reve 17:1
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me,[fn] “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Reve 18:12 “merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;[Ezekiel 16:13]


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If we had to label a city Babylon, it wouldn't be Jerusalem, as that city is nowhere near as important as it once was. Nor could it be Rome, for the same reasons. I have some ideas. Just on the thought of a, "Great City," and not speaking on quote unquote "Scriptural" or "Topological" terms, just based upon how the kings, merchants, and sailors are reacting. New York, Los Angeles, London, all of these are great cities today, which one do you think it is?
Glad there was a "Something Else", or else I wouldn't have been able to vote. We are told what Babylon is, we just have to listen. There are of course many "Great Cities" so we have to name them via the context used. The Great city in Rev. 17:18 is not Rome, it is meant to show us where the Harlot got her start, thus what John saw was Babylon imprinted on the Harlot's head along with Mystery, Abominations of the Earth and Mother of Harlots, it us four descriptors.

We are told in Rev. 16:19 what Babylon is. Vial #6 is the Nations being gathered at Armageddon of course via the three demonic frogs going forth. Then in vial #7 we see this unfold:

Rev. 16:19 And the great city(Jerusalem/Jesus lands on Mt Zion) was divided into three parts (Earthquake), and the cities of the nations fell (Who gathered in Vial #6 ? The NATIONS): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

God sees the Nations that Gathered at Armageddon, against God and Israel as BABYLON !!

Who are they then?

Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Babylon stands for the WHOLE WORLD !! God is not going to rain plagues down on ONE CITY !!

Its the whole world. The Statue stands for a One World Government, and the Rock Jesus will smash it to smithereens.

Notice in Rev. 14, Babylon is Fallen, is fallen, and then you get the Harvest and the Winepress of God is outside the city (Jerusalem), that is Armageddon and the judgment of the Wicked of the whole world.

Rev. 16 is the exact same event as Rev. 14, one is told as the Harvest, the other is told as the vials of Gods Wrath, just different perspectives of the same event. Rev. 18 is the same event also, except it includes the Seals, Trumpets and Vials in its telling. Rev. 18 is only the World (Babylon) getting destroyed by the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. Now go back and read about the grasses and trees burning, about the seas turning to blood, the ships being destroyed, the waters being poisoned in the Trumpets and Vials then you will see why the Merchants were crying, men are being killed (1/4) by the Anti-Christ, (1/3) by the Angels in the Second Woe (Business is way off).

So is Babylon burning? No, its the whole world that's burning, all the grasses and trees, its the Merchants of the world that is being set back by the Plagues of God.

Babylon and the Harlot are two separate Entities.
 
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