COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

LoveGodsWord · Sep 14, 2017

Bob S said:
LGW has made claims that I, in my study of scripture, do not in any way agree with. He wanted me to critique his l o n g theory of Col 2. Before I would agree to go through all of it I asked him to answer a scripture that I believe refutes his study. He has never given me an honest answer. He skirts the issue, so I am sticking to my word not to go through the long study. A study that I know cannot be true because it clashes with many verses from scripture. I pray this helps. In Christ, Bob

Hello Bob,

So I know what your referring to could you please answer the following?

What claims have I made that you do not agree with?

How can you have a scripture that refutes the OP if you have not read what the OP is?

I have always given you honest answers. If you believe I have not please show me where I have not?

In Christ Always!

Bob S · Sep 15, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Bob,

So I know what your referring to could you please answer the following?

What claims have I made that you do not agree with?

How can you have a scripture that refutes the OP if you have not read what the OP is?

I have always given you honest answers. If you believe I have not please show me where I have not?

In Christ Always!

Thanks LGW for the opportunity to once again explain why I would not entertain critiquing your thread OP. I believe Col 2:16-17 is telling us that the weekly Sabbath should not be an issue and that Paul was telling us not to allow anyone to try to persuade Christians we have to observe any of the ritual laws given as a covenant to only Israel. Israel broke the covenant. It is no longer in existence except as part of history. Yes, we can glean much for our walk through this life from the teachings. That does not mean that we are subject to its ritual laws. The covenant is no longer binding on anyone and to try to make it so is not Biblical.

I introduced to you some verses from 2Cor 3 and your comment was they referred to the new covenant. You would not entertain the fact that the verses explain that the 10 commandments were temporary. Paul wrote the verses from verse 7-11 in past tense. He wrote that the 10 had faded and they, while the guide for Israel, became the the ministry that brought death. He further explained that our guide of the free gift of the Holy Spirit is now binding and replaced Israel's guide, the 10 commandments. I know you had a reason not to study those passages because they upset your study, out of site out of mind.

Then there is the 3rd chapter of Gal Gal3:19 for you to try to explain away where Paul wrote that the Law was until Christ. He further wrote the following from Eph 2:14 "For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations."

Paul didn't do what you are trying to do. He didn't differentiate between parts of the Law. He didn't mention ceremonial from moral or civil, he wrote Law and meant Law. You, on the other hand, are adding to scripture by differentiating. You cannot take the word of a self proclaimed prophet over the written Word. Thus until you prove Paul's writings to be a false, and he was not the ambassador to Jesus, in presenting the New Covenant, I will stick to the written Word over your study. In Christ, Bob

LoveGodsWord · Sep 15, 2017

Hi Bob,

I would like to discuss your post so have made some comments for your consideration below. As this may be a long post I might make a series of shorter posts rather than one big one which will be easier to read.

Bob S said:
Thanks LGW for the opportunity to once again explain why I would not entertain critiquing your thread OP. I believe Col 2:16-17 is telling us that the weekly Sabbath should not be an issue and that Paul was telling us not to allow anyone to try to persuade Christians we have to observe any of the ritual laws given as a covenant to only Israel.

Yes a lot of people believe what you have said above and have been taught this in their churches. This was the reason for writing the OP. If you look at all the Word of God in the Old testament and the New Testament keeping in mind everything written is for our admonition and that everything in the New Testament scriptures comes from the Old you will see what Col 2:14-17 is really talking about and what the Shadows are referring to in Christ and the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) which are forever and ceremonial laws which were a shadow of things to come. The OP is just scripture from God’s Word showing the parallels in the Old and New Testament to show what Col 2 is talking about.

I asked a question earlier that is relevant now and that is how can you have scripture that refutes the OP if you have not read what the OP is?

Bob S said:
I introduced to you some verses from 2Cor 3 and your comment was they referred to the new covenant. You would not entertain the fact that the verses explain that the 10 commandments were temporary.

I know these verses and you did not introduce me to them. My problem was your interpretation of 2Cor 3. I believe we can gain a better understanding of God’s Word as we ask Jesus to be our teacher looking at all of His Word in the Old and the New Testament scriptures. We must consider all of God’s Word not relying on a few scriptures to come to an understanding of God’s Word seeking and asking Jesus for His Sprit to be our guide and teacher because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

Your interpretation of God’s Word is that the 10 commandments are temporary and only for the Old Covenant. In some ways they are if they lead you to Jesus so that you walk with him and abide in him and by the operation of Love, God’s Law (10 commandments) are written in your heart to love God and your neighbour leading to the fruit of obedience. If you have unrepentant sin in your life however which includes any of the 10, you still do not know him who loves us and died for us.

God’s Word tells us that the purpose of God’s Law (10 commandments) are not save us. They only give us the knowledge of good and evil (sin and righteousness) and the penalty for sin to point us to Jesus for salvation in God’s Word by faith (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Pslams 119:172; Romans 6:23)

Now let’s look a bit deeper. If God’s Law (10 commandments) were temporary and abolished in the New Covenant then we now have no knowledge of what sin and righteousness are because sin is the transgression of God’s Law and the knowledge of good and evil. We also have no penalty of sin because there is now no Law telling us what sin is. If we do not know what sin is we do not know that we are sinners in need of a Saviour. If we have no need of a Saviour then we have no salvation. If we have no salvation then we are lost.

Let’s look at the scriptures further to see what they say about God’s Law (10 commandments). To understand God’s laws we need to look to the Old and New Testament scriptures.

God’s Word says that the Law of God (10 commandments) is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the schoolmaster bringing us to Jesus that we might be justified by faith (Galatians 3:24) It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12; Exodus 36:26-27; Jeremiah 31:33-34; Hebrews 10:26-28; Romans 1:29-32;2:-9;2 Corinthians 5:10; Hebrews 9:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31 ). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). God’s Word does not pass away (Matthew 24:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelations 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12 etc.). God’s Law reveals sin to us and the penalty of sin so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 6:23; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Hebrews 10:26-28; Romans 1:29-32; Romans 2:2-13; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Hebrews 9:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood as we have faith (Galatians 3:24; Revelations 1:5). God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow him because we love him (Hebrews 8:10-12) LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Romans 13:10). This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). This also includes God's 4th commandment which is the 7th Day Sabbath.

Ok it is very clear as you study God’s Word from the Old and New Testament that God’s Law (10 commandments) are forever but we will look at it in more detail including your scriptures in 2Cor 3:7-11, Gal 3 and Eph 2. (to be continued)

LoveGodsWord · Sep 15, 2017

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about God’s Law (10 commandments)? Surely if they were abolished they would of said something in the New Testament scriptures so let’s only look at the some of the scriptures in the New Testament looking to Jesus and the Apostles.

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..
1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……
1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….
1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Well it is pretty clear looking at the scriptures that God’s Law (10 commandments) are not abolished and are forever but we will look at it in more detail including your scriptures in 2Cor 3:7-11, Gal 3 and Eph 2. (to be continued)

LoveGodsWord · Sep 15, 2017

Now that we have looked at God’s Law (10 commandments) what are the law that are being referred to that are shadows of things to come? As written in Colossians 2:14-17 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat,6 or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: 17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

To understand this we need to go back to the Old Testament scriptures that these scriptures are referring to and that is the Topic of the OP that you did not read. I hope you can read it as it goes into much more detail with many more scripture then is being shared right now.

This was in spite of the scriptures that say about God’s Law (10 commandments) which were written and spoken by God and the laws of written and spoken by Moses.

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) is the work of God alone written with His own finger on two tables of stone, spoken by God himself to His people and placed alone in the Ark of the Covenant. (Exodus 32:16; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-17; Deuteronomy 10:5) Breaking God’s Law is sin (Isaiah 24:4; 1 John 3:4; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:20; 7:17; Eze 18:20; Romans 6:23) God’s Law pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin and made nothing perfect in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Ps 119:172).

(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws which were written by Moses in a book. These laws not not tell us what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God through faith. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. Much of the ceremonial laws were Shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus the lamb of God and the sinners true sacrifice (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28; Col 2:14-17)

From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Rom 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Rom 6:23).

Now they next question would be if these laws were all the same why didn’t Moses just write all the laws? Why did God go to all the trouble to make the 10 commandments and speak them personally to his people?

The answer has already been provided with the scriptures above and that is I know that, whatsoever God does, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (Ecclesiastes 3:14). It was God that made the 10 commandments and the scripture says it is forever. It is also the spoken Word of God by God himself Jesus says: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 24:35). The reason God made the 10 commandments is that they are forever

The reason that God used Moses write the ceremonial laws in a book was that they were temporary and the Shadows of things to come that pointed to Jesus. We will look at it in more detail including your scriptures in 2Cor 3:7-11, Gal 3 and Eph 2. (to be continued)

LoveGodsWord · Sep 15, 2017

Bob S said:
Paul wrote the verses from 2Cor 3verse 7-11 in past tense. He wrote that the 10 had faded and they, while the guide for Israel, became the the ministry that brought death. He further explained that our guide of the free gift of the Holy Spirit is now binding and replaced Israel's guide, the 10 commandments. I know you had a reason not to study those passages because they upset your study, out of site out of mind.

2Cor 3 is talking about the ministration of God’s Law and the ministration of the God’s Spirit in the New Covenant. The ministration of God’s Law is death because it makes nothing perfect. Its purpose is not for salvation but to point out sin and the penalty of sin which is death (2Cor 3:7; 1 John 3:4; Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7. Rom 6:23).

The ministration of the Spirit in the New Covenant is life because it writes God’s Law (10 commandments) in the heart of the believer and fulfils all righteousness in the life of the believer and through faith in God’s Word God’s Law is established (2Cor 3:8-11; Rom 3:31; Rom 8:1-13).

Now read 2Cor 3:7-11 and compare it with Rom 8:-13 and you will see what I am saying here is correct.

Bob S said:
Then there is the 3rd chapter of Gal Gal3:19 for you to try to explain away where Paul wrote that the Law was until Christ. He further wrote the following from Eph 2:14 "For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations."

Galatians 3:19-25 is talking about God’s Law being given because of sin. Sin is the transgression of God’s Law and God’s Law shows us what sin is and the penalty of sin to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. If we are walking by faith in the Spirit we are no longer under God’s Law and guilty before God of breaking it (Gal 3:19-25; 1 John 3:4; Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7. Rom 6:23; Rom 8:1-13). These scriptures do not say God’s Law is abolished or temporary.

Ephesians 2:10-15 for context is talking about the ceremonial laws of circumcision (v11) referring to these are the laws of commandments contained in ordinances. (v15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The word ordinances used here is the same word used in Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

The Greek meaning of the word “Ordinance” G1378 used in both scripture references in Eph 2:15 and Col 2:14 is δόγμα; dogma; dog'-mah From the base of G1380; a law civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.

Hope this is helpful. (one more to come)

stuart lawrence · Sep 15, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about God’s Law (10 commandments)? Surely if they were abolished they would of said something in the New Testament scriptures so let’s only look at the some of the scriptures in the New Testament looking to Jesus and the Apostles.

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..
1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……
1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….
1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Well it is pretty clear looking at the scriptures that God’s Law (10 commandments) are not abolished and are forever but we will look at it in more detail including your scriptures in 2Cor 3:7-11, Gal 3 and Eph 2. (to be continued)

If anyone breaks Gods laws and teaches others to do so they will be least in the kingdom of heaven( matt5:19)

As per your quote.

Therefore they will attain to heaven. For if you are least IN(in) the kingdom of heaven you are IN the kingdom of heaven

So how can they only be justified for heaven if they obey the law?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 15, 2017

In light of all the above scripture provided in the previous posts above in regards to God's Law being forever and the ceremonial laws of Moses being shadows, please consider now the following from Paul...

Bob S said:
Paul didn't do what you are trying to do. He didn't differentiate between parts of the Law. He didn't mention ceremonial from moral or civil, he wrote Law and meant Law. You, on the other hand, are adding to scripture by differentiating. You cannot take the word of a self proclaimed prophet over the written Word. Thus until you prove Paul's writings to be a false, and he was not the ambassador to Jesus, in presenting the New Covenant, I will stick to the written Word over your study. In Christ, Bob

Actually Paul did differentiate between the laws…

God’s Law (10 commandments)

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonour God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

Ceremonial laws of Moses

1. Laws of ordinances with our sins were nailed to the cross (Col 2:14)
2. Were shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus (Col 2:16-17)
3. Ceremonial festivals pointing to Jesus fulfilled (Col 2:16-17; 1Cor 5:6-8)
4. True circumcision was that of the heart and not of the flesh (Rom 2:25-29 etc.)
5 The Levitical laws of Moses pointing to our true Great High Priest Jesus (Rom Chapter 7)
6. Ceremonial laws of Moses and the Levitical Priest hood done away for the New Covenant (Rom 8:1-13)
7. Ceremonial laws of Moses in the Old covenant and the Sanctuary service was a copy of the one in Heaven. These were all shadows pointing to Jesus being our great high priest and only true sacrifice (Hebrews 9:1-28; Col 2:16-17)
8. The ceremonial laws of Moses in the Old Covenant were only shadows pointing to Jesus and could make nothing perfect (Hebrews 10:1)
9. The ceremonial laws of Moses written in a book were prophetic in nature pointing to the coming of Jesus, his life, death, resurrection and work as our great high priest and sacrifice (Hebrews 10:5-10)
10. Jesus has replaced the ceremonial laws of Moses in the New Covenant (Heb 13:24; Heb 8:4-12)
11. The ceremonial laws of Moses are fulfilled and abolished in Jesus (Eph 2:11-15)

Hope this is helpful. God's Law is forever. It was the ceremonial laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus that were a shadow of things to come and are replaced by Jesus in the NC. God's Law is still the standard of right and wrong. They make nothing perfect but point out sin leading us to Christ that we might be justified by faith so we can walk in God's Spirit and be freed from our sins. If we break any of God's laws however and have unrepentant sin in our lives however we do not know God. In this case we need to Seek Jesus by repentance, confessing our sins and seeking forgiveness.

In Christ Always!

LoveGodsWord · Sep 15, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
If anyone breaks Gods laws and teaches others to do so they will be least in the kingdom of heaven( matt5:19)
As per your quote. Therefore they will attain to heaven. For if you are least IN(in) the kingdom of heaven you are IN the kingdom of heaven
So how can they only be justified for heaven if they obey the law?

Hello Stuart,

I can't stay now just about to leave but to be clear that is God's Word not mine and it is not referring to those that will be in the Kingdom but those not in the Kingdom and those that are in the Kingdom referring to them as the least. Let's quickly look at the scriptures....

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Who is the scripture referring to?
Those that break God's Law and teach others to do the same.

What will happen to those that are found in unrepentant sin when Jesus returns?

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revellers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21, Envying’s, murders, drunkenness, revelling’s, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now it is clear in Matthew 15:19 that we are talking about someone that is breaking one of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so. They are called least in the Kingdom of Heaven by those that are in the Kingdom of Heaven because they are not going there. The supporting scriptures provided above (there are others also elsewhere) tell us what happens to those that break God’s commandments that they shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. This is compared to Matthew 5:19 which is talking about those breaking God’s commandments and are being referred to as also being the least in God’s Kingdom because they are teaching others to depart from the Kingdom of Heaven.

This also includes the 7th Day Sabbath.

Hope this helps. I have to go out for now have a nice day.

stuart lawrence · Sep 15, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Stuart,

I can't stay now just about to leave but to be clear that is God's Word not mine and it is not referring to those that will be in the Kingdom but those not in the Kingdom and those that are in the Kingdom referring to them as the least. Let's quickly look at the scriptures....

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Who is the scripture referring to?
Those that break God's Law and teach others to do the same.

What will happen to those that are found in unrepentant sin when Jesus returns?

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revellers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21, Envying’s, murders, drunkenness, revelling’s, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now it is clear in Matthew 15:19 that we are talking about someone that is breaking one of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so. They are called least in the Kingdom of Heaven by those that are in the Kingdom of Heaven because they are not going there. The supporting scriptures provided above (there are others also elsewhere) tell us what happens to those that break God’s commandments that they shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. This is compared to Matthew 5:19 which is talking about those breaking God’s commandments and are being referred to as also being the least in God’s Kingdom because they are teaching others to depart from the Kingdom of Heaven.

This also includes the 7th Day Sabbath.

Hope this helps. I have to go out for now have a nice day.

Im sorry, but you have once more cited scripture that does not endorse your beliefs

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least IN( IN) the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices them and teaches these commands will be called great IN( IN) the kingdom of heaven

You cannot rewrite the English language to fit your beliefs!

stuart lawrence · Sep 15, 2017

In doesn't mean out. And out doesn't mean in!

That's basic English

stuart lawrence · Sep 15, 2017

Dig4truth · Sep 16, 2017

A good teaching on Col 2:

Bob S · Sep 16, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
2Cor 3 is talking about the ministration of God’s Law and the ministration of the God’s Spirit in the New Covenant. The ministration of God’s Law is death because it makes nothing perfect. Its purpose is not for salvation but to point out sin and the penalty of sin which is death (2Cor 3:7; 1 John 3:4; Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7. Rom 6:23).

instead quoting other verses please stick to the topic, Cor 3:7-11.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, Because Israel failed to observe it

which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, What was transitory LGW? What does transitory mean LGW?

8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? Does that verse tell us the two ministries are the same LGW?

9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! The 10 commandments brought death. If the ministry of the Holy Spirit is the identical ministry then wouldn't the ministry of the Holy Spirit also bring death LGW? The verse claims the ministry of the Holy Spirit is more glorious LGW. How could it be the 10 commandments that are written in our hearts if what is written there is more glorious than the 10 LGW?

10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! What was it that came with Glory LGW. Does the verse tell us the 10 are forever? No, LGW, it is telling us the 10 were temporary.

All of the verses put together do not tell us what you claim. The ministry of death (old covenant) was the guide for Israel to live by in Canaan Ex 19:5-6. The new covenant of eternal life has taken the place of the ministry of death and it includes not only Israel and Judah, but all nations under the sun. Jesus fulfilled the Torah.

The ministration of the Spirit in the New Covenant is life because it writes God’s Law (10 commandments) in the heart of the believer and fulfils all righteousness in the life of the believer and through faith in God’s Word God’s Law is established (2Cor 3:8-11; Rom 3:31; Rom 8:1-13).

Now read 2Cor 3:7-11 and compare it with Rom 8:-13 and you will see what I am saying here is correct.

I even broke it down for you LGW. Try to explain transitory away. Try to explain that the 10 has no glory. Try to explain why the verses are written in past tense when concerning the 10 commandments. Then in all of the verses you have quoted about commandments, none of them has a 10 in front of them. I would also like for you to explain why John in 1John3:19-24 wrote the following about the commands we Christians are to keep:
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Is Jesus God LGW?

Galatians 3:19-25 is talking about God’s Law being given because of sin. Sin is the transgression of God’s Law and God’s Law shows us what sin is and the penalty of sin to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. If we are walking by faith in the Spirit we are no longer under God’s Law and guilty before God of breaking it (Gal 3:19-25; 1 John 3:4; Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7. Rom 6:23; Rom 8:1-1, ). These scriptures do not say God’s Law is abolished or temporary.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.
Sorry LGW but the verse stands alone. It was added until.... meaning it was temporary!
It was temporary because Israel broke the covenant. A covenant is only in existence as long as the two parties keep their end of the bargain. God did His part Israel didn't. Is that so hard to fathom?

Hope this is helpful. (one more to come)

So far you are batting zero with scripture, I really do not need more to come. I have proven to you from scripture that the 10 commandments were temporary. What more is there to prove on the subject?

Dig4truth · Sep 16, 2017

II Cor 3:6-18
He has even made us competent to be workers serving a New Covenant, the essence of which is not a written text but the Spirit. For the written text brings death, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if that which worked death, by means of a written text engraved on stone tablets, came with glory — such glory that the people of Isra’el could not stand to look at Moshe’s face because of its brightness, even though that brightness was already fading away — 8 won’t the working of the Spirit be accompanied by even greater glory? 9 For if there was glory in what worked to declare people guilty, how much more must the glory abound in what works to declare people innocent! 10 In fact, by comparison with this greater glory, what was made glorious before has no glory now. 11 For if there was glory in what faded away, how much more glory must there be in what lasts.
12 Therefore, with a hope like this, we are very open — 13 unlike Moshe, who put a veil over his face, so that the people of Isra’el would not see the fading brightness come to an end.
14 What is more, their minds were made stonelike; for to this day the same veil remains over them when they read the Old Covenant; it has not been unveiled, because only by the Messiah is the veil taken away. 15 Yes, till today, whenever Moshe is read, a veil lies over their heart. 16 “But,” says the Torah, “whenever someone turns to Adonai, the veil is taken away.”' 17 Now, “Adonai” in this text means the Spirit. And where the Spirit of Adonai is, there is freedom. 18 So all of us, with faces unveiled, see as in a mirror the glory of the Lord; and we are being changed into his very image, from one degree of glory to the next, by Adonai the Spirit. CJB

The "Old Covenant" used only once in that specific phrase in the Bible in II Cor 3:14, is an expression Paul used to describe a person who reads the Tanach apart from the illumination of the Holy Spirit. When this occurs, the reader does not see Yeshua in the Tanach because a veil is over his heart. But when the same Scriptures, the Torah, Prophets and Writings are read with the veil removed by the Spirit, these same words show him Messiah. Without the Spirit the Tanach is the "Old Covenant", but with the Spirit the Tanach leads to Messiah and the Torah is written on the heart, fulfilling the promise of the "New Covenant".

So the writers of Scripture did not define "Old" and "New" Covenants as successive eras or ions. Furthermore, for Paul the "Old Covenant" meant that one has no true knowledge of Yeshua as the Messiah, therefore, for Paul - no one under the "Old Covenant" could be saved!

Dig4truth · Sep 16, 2017

If you want to understand Gal 3:19 then watch this:

It's not difficult to get the meaning of but it helps to have it explained. You know how Paul's teachings are!
The Tutor was not the Law of Moses, it was the Law of Sin and Death.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 16, 2017

Hello all good friend in Christ who love God's Word and through the faith that bring love joy and peace in Jesus.

Happy Sabbath to you all. The Lord's Day is wonderful. It reminds me of the power of God's Word as I look outside and see the wonders of God. It is a strength to me as I see the power of God's Word in Life. Jesus speaks and it is so. His commands are his promises. I am a sinner but I have a Savoir who can do all things in me because I believe him. His Word is his power unto all those who believe. He sets me free from my sins because he works in me as I abide in him. When temptation some he gives me power to choose to follow him. I love him because he first loves me and he saves me by the operation of God so I can love him. We follow him because we love him. This is my prayer for all. God bless you all in him who loves us and washed us in his own blood that we should be called the sons and daughters of God forever and ever AMEN.

God bless you all

LoveGodsWord · Sep 16, 2017

Some thoughts from Heavenly father...

They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick but go ye and learn what that mean. This is for those that our Heavenly father has given an ear to hear and eyes to see...

In the beginning God's Law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Jesus. It shows us who we are just as God sees us full of sin and shame because this is our nature we cannot escape it. It is indeed the sickness that Jesus talks about when he says they that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

We are those that are undone with the sickness of sin and why the Apostle says this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance the Christ Jesus has come into the world to save sinners of whom I am chief because these are they who Jesus has come to save.

Before we have the commandment showing us our filthy rags just as our heavenly farther sees us showing us the penalty for sin leading us to God's Love for us because he is not willing that any of us should perish and be lost from his love for us. It is only here when we see ourselves as God sees us that we can die to our own righteousness in trying to save ourselves and give up to completely rely on Jesus (God's Word) to save us from our sickness of sin.

Jesus knows we cannot save ourselves who can pull a clean thing out of an unclean not one. Likewise how can you being evil do good things? Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. It is only sinners that Jesus has come to save and the Law of God is our mirror and schoolmaster teaching us that we cannot save ourselves. It is here we arrive at the pool of Bethesda where Jesus says; Wilt thou be made whole? We must see our righteousness as God sees it and answer Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steps down before me. Jesus will then say to us Rise, take up thy bed, and walk and like the man of Bethesda if we believe God's Word will be made whole, and take up our bed, and walk in the Spirit that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us through faith that works by love.

Holding out our hand reaching for Jesus like the blind man, the lame and like the women who said "If I can just touch his garment I shall be healed. These all knew they were sick and that there was nothing they could do in their own strength to save themselves. They stretched out the hand of faith reaching for Jesus and believed the Word of God only and received healing from their sickness.

Just as the sick who Jesus came to heal our great Physician holds out his hand to us that can see they have the sickness of sin. Just as those that were sick before us if we completely rely and believe the Word of God only to do what it says it will do God's grace will work in us to save us. His Word is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. This is the Sabbath truth that teaches us that we worship the God of creation who recreates us as we have faith in the power of His Word through love. By grace are you saved through faith and not of ourselves it is God's gift to us as we believe His Word.

Wherefore are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises that by these ye may be made a partaker of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust and as we have received him by complete dependence and faith so are we to walk in him.

Now the commandments that brought us to Jesus are his exceeding great and precious promises that by these we might become a partaker of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust and as we have received him we now walk in him and he in us. We now walk by faith (in God's Word) not by sight. Faith is the victory that overcomes the World through love. This is the victory the overcomes the World and to him that overcomes Jesus says will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death because they overcame by their faith in God's Word the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; because they loved not their lives unto the death. To him be the power and the glory forever and ever Amen.

God bless you all in love and joy and peace in the Holy Ghost!

stuart lawrence · Sep 16, 2017

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

LoveGodsWord · Sep 16, 2017

Bob S said:
instead quoting other verses please stick to the topic, Cor 3:7-11. So far you are batting zero with scripture, I really do not need more to come. I have proven to you from scripture that the 10 commandments were temporary. What more is there to prove on the subject?

We must ask our heavenly farther to have eyes to see and ears to hear so that we can know his Words that he freely give to all who come. He is knocking at the door. Who will open the door and let him in?

All the scriptures shown from posts numbers # 1263; 1264; 1265 and 1266 above are relevant to the topic and your interpretation of 2Cor 3:7-11

In Christ we can only find peace and love. We must follow him because we love him. God's Sheep hear his voice.

COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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