I am as righteous as Jesus

Jason0047 said:

But we cannot say we are as righteous as Christ because we have sinned in our past life. Christ never sinned. Yes, we are forgiven in Christ, and we can walk uprightly by His power working in us, but that is not the same as saying, "I am as righteous as Christ." That would be false because we had sinned at one time in our past and also the imputation of Christ is conditional.

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." (Ezekiel 18:24).

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7).

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Hopefully you'll never catch me saying that I am as righteous as Jesus.

Jason0047 said:

Jesus actually does the good work through us We merely surrender to Jesus and the good work He desires to do through us. Jesus is the source of life or salvation (See 1 John 5:12). So if Christ lives in us, then good fruit and not bad fruit will be evident in our lives. Jesus says we will know false prophets by their fruit. Jesus essentially says a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vise versa.

1 John 3:10 says the same thing.

Whosoever does not righteousness is not of God.

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Execellent!
We are consecrated vessels of the Temple of our Pope (High Priest) Jesus Christ.

Hammster said:

I implied nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. There's nothing in the OP that would lead you to the conclusion you came up with. If there was, anyone reading it who knew nothing of me would be able to draw the same conclusion. I've given you multiple opportunities to recant. And it's not because I really care. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over it. But I gave you the opportunity because I was quite certain you would not apologize and instead find ways to excuse your behavior. And the same thing later when you claimed that I said I'd do something that I never said I would do. The words were there in black and white, yet you still insisted I made a claim that I never did.

So the exercise was to show the hypocrisy of those who claim to be sinless. It's easy to accomplish when you control the bar. And you did just that.

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You know what. I read the post again, and you are right. The OP alone could have been posted by a Conditional Salvationist. But you have to admit, that it is more likely that a person who is against Conditionalism would post such questions. But yes. I made a mistake. I sometimes can mistakes in how I word things in not being super clear. I apologize for not being clear. It was not my intention to be unclear in what I was saying. I was going off not only what you said in your OP, but I was also going off your resistance to my replies. I am sorry I did not clarify that. But please know that I later confirmed your belief (that you were unwilling to tell me by seeking out your words elsewhere in another thread). So what I was saying was true about your belief (even if I was not pointing to all the right sources right away).

Anyways, may God give you peace despite us disagreeing strongly;
And may you have a wonderful night.

Side Note:

As for your claim of my false accusation #2:

As far as my understanding: That one was actually still in my favor. You said you were going to reply to those verses in Post #245 and then you changed your mind about replying on those verses in Post #247.

The Times said:

Execellent!
We are consecrated vessels of the Temple of our Pope (High Priest) Jesus Christ.

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What the... huh?
I think we are coming from two different worlds here, my friend.
Sorry, I do not agree with the papacy.

Hammster said:

What if it's not self-righteousness but rather resting in the Word? In other words, if scripture says we are justified by faith, and I agree with scripture, how would that make me self-righteous?

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Justified by faith does not make us righteous. It justifies, that is pardons us from the letter of condemnation, where we walk as prisoners of Jesus Christ, on parole.

Grace cannot be given, until a justified, broken and contrite heart is presented before the sovereign Lord, as a vessel to be consecrated through life long sanctification, that is rehab.

In this life we live as unrighteous sinners, who are being rehabilitated and moulded into the personage of the Son. This is how His righteousness is imputed on our behalves.

After the death of the earthly body, in the post resurrection glorified form, we can claim the sinless righteous state, as the many Holy Ones.

27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:27-28)

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)

In this temporal life we are prisoners of Christ Jesus on parole. That is why Paul stated....

6For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day

Post death only, within the resurrection glorified heavenly body, can one claim righteousness.

Jason0047 said:

What the... huh?
I think we are coming from two different worlds here, my friend.
Sorry, I do not agree with the papacy.

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What do you mean?

Jesus is NOT our Pope?

Hammster said:

That's post 245. Where am I saying I'll reply?

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That is strange. I honestly thought you said you would reply to those verses. Again, my mistake. I apologize. I misread that. But it would go a long way for you to explain those verses now seeing we are on the same page now (hopefully).

I did wake up at 2:00am in the morning;
So hopefully you should understand that I am not reading and writing at my normal capacity.

Anyways, may God bless you;
And may you please be well.

Hammster said:

My condition for explaining the verses haven't changed.

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Refresh my memory. What condition would that be?
I say this because I am tired and I do not want to misunderstand what you said before.
So please say it again for me for clarification.

Hammster said:

See 247.

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Maybe I will at another time. Right now, I have to do other things.
May God bless you.

Swan7 said:

This is just silly. So much going round about when the answers are simply in the Bible. This just so happens to be one of them (I posted another on the 1st page):

Ambassadors for Christ
2 Corrinthians 5:18-21
"Everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: That is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, certain that God is appealing through us. We plead on Christ’s behalf, “Be reconciled to God.” He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

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I will definitely reply to this later.
Right now, I got other things to do at the moment.

May God bless you.

Hammster said:

How are you doing, btw?

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I'm doing a LOT better, thanks for asking.

Jason0047 said:

I will definitely reply to this later.
Right now, I got other things to do at the moment.

May God bless you.

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Hey, no problem! Have a gooder!

Swan7 said:

This is just silly. So much going round about when the answers are simply in the Bible. This just so happens to be one of them (I posted another on the 1st page):

Ambassadors for Christ
2 Corrinthians 5:18-21
"Everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: That is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, certain that God is appealing through us. We plead on Christ’s behalf, “Be reconciled to God.” He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

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“Be reconciled to God.” He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

Reconciliation is paramount. Strong in Him has that as a siggy .

14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Ephesians 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Romans 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Lord's death accomplished a great change. It was a positional change. The relationship of the world to God was changed; and the world was rendered savable.
The second great change by Jesus Christ's death on the cross is not positional.It is _____--. experiential (typo corrected)
The change of the worldling to God.
The child has been entrusted with a message, the message of reconciliation.

A person may be redeemed but not reconciled to God. @Strong in Him may be able to expand further.

SUMMARY

1 John 2:6
He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Exodus 26:31-33
You shall make a veil woven of blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen. It shall be woven with an artistic design of cherubim. 32 You shall hang it upon the four pillars of acacia wood overlaid with gold. Their hooks shall be gold, upon four sockets of silver. 33 And you shall hang the veil from the clasps. Then you shall bring the ark of the Testimony in there, behind the veil. The veil shall be a divider for you between the holy place and the Most Holy.
Hebrews 10:20
by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh