GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER!

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Some will give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils in the last days...

1 Timothy 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
Isn't it you complaining about bring off topic? Why are you expressing this anger? Haven't we presented God's Word? Why don't you also love God's Word we present?
Some will keep the traditions of man to break the commandments of God...

Matthew 15:3-9,

3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Doesn't this passage apply to you? Are you in compliance with the law you preach and try to impose on others? Or are you amending the law to suit your fancy thus in reality keeping the traditions of men/women? Why didn't your prophetess get it right at first? Does God write error on the heart?
Some will receive a knowledge of the truth for a while and follow it, then turn away from the truth, and will be lost...

Hebrews 6:4-8

4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8, But that which beares thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10:26-27,

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Just more complaining and self condemnation totally off topic.
Others will twist scripture to their own destruction

2 Peter 3:16

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
More off topic material intended to mnipulate.
Others will promote keeping some of the 10 commandments but will find out too late they are lost because if you knowingly break one of the 10 commandments and are not repentant you are guilty before God of breaking all of God's Law and are in danger of the Judgement.

James 2:8-12

8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
You intend here to mean keeping the law is required for salvation, specifically the 7th day sabbath as Bob S has noted with a quote from EGW saying no sabbath; no salvation.

By-the-way James isn't talking about doing works of the law. Respect of persons isn't aginst any of the ten commandments.

The law of liberty isn't a reference to the law issued to Israel. That law is restrictive in every aspect.
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

In Christ Always!
Aren't you really saying those who oppose you here are wicked? What is your evidence?
 
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Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Nothing here but abuse of God's Word. This is meant to condemn another with an off topic quote without reference.

your post has nothing to do with anything I posted. It doesn't answer 1 single question in that post.
 
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A lot of things have been said but nothing addresses the scriptures provided.
Each of your quoted passages were discussed by me in that post. I showed the contradictions of your meaning applied to them. What else do you want but for me to allow you to mislead me from the truth? Many passages have been quoted by me and others showing your error even from the Gospels and quotes of Jesus. What more do you want? Do you really love God's Word? BobRyan has taken to posting about taking God's Name in vain.
 
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No friend that is not true. This is because the 4th commandments, God's 7th Day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) has never been ceremonial a ceremonial law of Moses. It is one of the 10 commandments for a memorial and celebration of creation (Exodus 20:11; Ex 20 1:17). Why would I say God's Law (10 commandments) have been done away with when God's Word says what so ever God does is forever? (Ecc 3:14).
You seem to have no idea about what ceremony is? Discussion about that seems to be off topic for you. How can that be when it's creation you remember and celebrate with the 4th commandment? The 4th commandment has nothing to do with worshiping God.
Did God make the 10 commandments ? Yes he did and what does the scripture say?

The Law of God (10 commandments) is the work of God (Ex 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecc 3:14).
Then both Jeremiah and Jesus lied.
God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Ex 20:1-22). God’s 10 commandments are the spoken word of God (Ex 20:1-22). God’s Word does not pass away (Matt 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Ps 111:7-8, Rev 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1John 3:5-8, 1John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12 etc.).
Not 1 single of these referenced passages mention the ten commandments being in force today.
God’s Law reveals sin to us and the penalty of sin so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Rom 6:23; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4).
So righteousness doesn't stem from the law. We need a Redeemer because of this.
It is the great standard of the judgement (Heb 10:26-28; Rom 1:29-32;2:-9;2Cor 5:10; Heb 9:27; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31). [/quoet]If you want to be judged by the law be my guest. The Christian isn't (John 3:16 and 5:24).
God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood as we have faith (Gal 3:24; Rev 1:5).
Then the law has done it's job and has nothing else to do.
God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow him because we love him (Heb 8:10-12)
The verses you don't reference (6-9) show that the law written on the heart isn't the law issued to Israel at Sinai.
LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Rom 13:10).
This has nothingto do with keeping the law, especially the 4th. It that was written on my heart you'd not need to try and convince me otherwise. Now go ahead and say I'm not a Christian.
This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15).
Your verse has nothing to do with the ten commandments. Jesus didn't have anything to do with their issuance according to John 1:17 or Luke 16:16.
What does God's Word say about God's Law and the judgement?

James 2:8-12

8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
This is nothing more than a repeat. James isn't calling the law issued to Israel. That law doesn't grant liberty.
The 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments (Ex 20:8-11) and as such those that knowingly and willfully reject it will be judged by it and will be in danger of the judgement.
So try and manipulate us by threat. The sad thing is you willfully don't keep it yourself. You are really self defeating.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: No friend that is not true. This is because the 4th commandments, God's 7th Day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) has never been ceremonial a ceremonial law of Moses. It is one of the 10 commandments for a memorial and celebration of creation (Exodus 20:11; Ex 20 1:17). Why would I say God's Law (10 commandments) have been done away with when God's Word says what so ever God does is forever? (Ecc 3:14). listed replied: You seem to have no idea about what ceremony is? Discussion about that seems to be off topic for you. How can that be when it's creation you remember and celebrate with the 4th commandment? The 4th commandment has nothing to do with worshiping God.
You seem to be mixed up.

Ceremonial;
meaning: sɛrɪˈməʊnɪəl: A the system of rules and procedures to be observed at a formal or religious occasion.

Memorial; meaning mɪˈmɔːrɪəl: a statue or structure established to remind people of a person or event. Intended to commemorate someone or something.

The 4th commandment (Ex 20:8-11) is a memorial of creation and a sign that God’s people follow the only true God of creation who saves us from our sins (Eze 20:12)
LoveGodsWord said: Did God make the 10 commandments? Yes he did and what does the scripture say? The Law of God (10 commandments) is the work of God (Ex 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecc 3:14). listed replied:Then both Jeremiah and Jesus lied.

Maybe with your interpretation not mine.

LoveGodsWord said: God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Ex 20:1-22). God’s 10 commandments are the spoken word of God (Ex 20:1-22). God’s Word does not pass away (Matt 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12 etc.). listed replied: Not 1 single of these referenced passages mention the ten commandments being in force today.
Interesting response. Let God’s Word be the judge. I do not judge you it is between you and God.
LoveGodsWord said: God’s Law reveals sin to us and the penalty of sin so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Rom 6:23; Rom 3:20; 1 John 3:4).
listed replied: So righteousness doesn't stem from the law. We need a Redeemer because of this.
Righteousness does stem from God’s Law and yes we need a Saviour. My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness (Psalms 119:172).

LoveGodsWord said: It is the great standard of the judgement (Heb 10:26-28; Rom 1:29-32;2:-9;2Cor 5:10; Heb 9:27; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31).
listed replied: If you want to be judged by the law be my guest. The Christian isn't (John 3:16 and 5:24).
Yet the scripture you quote does not support what you say and your interpretation is in contradiction to God’s Word.

1 Peter 4:17,
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

James 2:10-12
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

In Christ Always!
 
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LoveGodsWord said: God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood as we have faith (Gal 3:24; Rev 1:5). listed replied: Then the law has done its job and has nothing else to do.

If you are a Christian yes, God’s Law (10 commandments) has done its job leading you to Jesus. God’s Law show us what sin is. If we are knowingly sinning while professing to follow Jesus we have fallen from grace and no longer Christian and once again have come under God’s Law and are guilty before God. If we have unrepented sin in our lives we are in danger of leaving God and coming under God’s judgement.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgressing also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom. 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom. 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If you are breaking any of God’s commandments you are sinning and not following God and are in danger of the Judgement.

In Christ Always!
 
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LoveGodsWord said: God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow him because we love him (Heb 8:10-12) listed replied: The verses you don't reference (6-9) show that the law written on the heart isn't the law issued to Israel at Sinai.
You quote verses 6-9 of Hebrews Chapter 8 to say that it is not in reference to the 10 commandments and the verses you quote do not even support what you say. You do know that Paul is only quoting from the Old Testament scriptures in Jeremiah 31 don’t you? So If Paul was only quoting from Jeremiah 31 what law was Jeremiah talking about?

Jeremiah 31:30-34
30, But every one shall die for his own iniquity (sin): every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31, Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33, But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34, And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Ezekiel also talks about it…

Ezekiel 36:22-29
22, Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23, And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24, For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28, And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29, I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

So what laws were Jeremiah and Ezekiel talking about? Here is a clue, they are both talking about sin and God’s Law. What is sin?

1 John 3:4
Whosoever commits sin transgressing also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom. 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom. 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If you are breaking any of God’s Laws you are sinning and not following God and are in danger of the Judgement because you are not under the New Covenant.

In Christ Always!
 
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There is spiritual truth and quoting the letter

If(if) a Christian was required to observe a set seventh day sabbath, that law as written would have to be written in the mind and placed on the heart of every believer. Thereby making them conscious they sinned by failing to observe it. So, anyone who was not conscious they sinned by failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath could not be born again or therefore in a saved state.

However, any law a person is convicted to follow, on the basis they read it in the OT is NOT law written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer. For the law placed there is revealed by inner conviction, not conviction of what is written in ink
 
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LoveGodsWord said: LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Rom 13:10). listed replied: This has nothing to do with keeping the law, especially the 4th. It that was written on my heart you'd not need to try and convince me otherwise. Now go ahead and say I'm not a Christian.

You are not quoting the context of Romans 13:10. Here let me help.

Romans 13:8-10
8, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

LoveGodsWord said: This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). listed replied: Your verse has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Jesus didn't have anything to do with their issuance according to John 1:17 or Luke 16:16.
Yes you keep saying that and ignoring all the scripture to hold on to your interpretation. Including all the references in the New Testament spoken by Jesus and the apostles upholding God’s Law in post 382
LoveGodsWord said: What does God's Word say about God's Law and the judgement? James 2:8-12 8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. listed replied: This is nothing more than a repeat. James isn't calling the law issued to Israel. That law doesn't grant liberty.

The 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments (Ex 20:8-11) and as such those that knowingly and willfully reject it will be judged by it and will be in danger of the judgement. Jesus says whoever commits sin is a servant to sin and if the Son shall make you free you shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-26)

So try and manipulate us by threat. The sad thing is you willfully don't keep it yourself. You are really self defeating.

Friend it is God’s Word not mine so I am not manipulating it. If you feel Gods Word is threatening to you then praise God and believe His Word and follow him. God loves you and is not willing that any of us should perish. God's Word is for all of us. We must follow all of God's Word. If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. We must believe and follow all of God’s Word (Matthew 4:4) not just the parts the suit us.

In Christ Always!
 
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LoveGodsWord said: LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Rom 13:10). listed replied: This has nothing to do with keeping the law, especially the 4th. It that was written on my heart you'd not need to try and convince me otherwise. Now go ahead and say I'm not a Christian.

You are not quoting the context of Romans 13:10. Here let me help.

Romans 13:8-10
8, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

LoveGodsWord said: This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). listed replied: Your verse has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Jesus didn't have anything to do with their issuance according to John 1:17 or Luke 16:16.
Yes you keep saying that and ignoring all the scripture to hold on to your interpretation. Including all the references in the New Testament spoken by Jesus and the apostles upholding God’s Law in post 382
LoveGodsWord said: What does God's Word say about God's Law and the judgement? James 2:8-12 8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. listed replied: This is nothing more than a repeat. James isn't calling the law issued to Israel. That law doesn't grant liberty.

The 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments (Ex 20:8-11) and as such those that knowingly and willfully reject it will be judged by it and will be in danger of the judgement. Jesus says whoever commits sin is a servant to sin and if the Son shall make you free you shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-26)

So try and manipulate us by threat. The sad thing is you willfully don't keep it yourself. You are really self defeating.

Friend it is God’s Word not mine so I am not manipulating it. If you feel Gods Word is threatening to you then praise God and believe His Word. God's Word is for all of us. We must follow all of God's Word. If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. We must believe and follow all of God’s Word (Matthew 4:4) not just the parts the suit us.

In Christ Always!
 
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Isn't it you complaining about bring off topic?
Sorry I thought we were talking about the OP. God's Law is the standard of the Old and New Covenants and also the judgement to come. The Law of God (10 commandments) is the work of God (Ex 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecc 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Ps 19:7). It is the very foundation of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come (Ex 20:1:17, Heb 8:10-12; Exe 36:26-27; Jer 31:33-34). All of the above are relevant to the OP which is God's Law (10 commandments) are forever!

Why are you expressing this anger?
Haven't we presented God's Word? Why don't you also love God's Word we present?Doesn't this passage apply to you?
Friend, I share God's Word only. Do you feel God's Words are anger to you? If you do then it is a warning from God to you personally and you should be thankful to God and believe his Word. God's Words are for all of us personally (myself included). They are God's Words not mine. I am not angry with you nor do I judge you. God is love and is not willing that anyone should be lost so He gives us all His Word to follow. It is because of Love I share God's Word with you so all may know Jesus because. Jesus is the Word and we find Jesus through God's Word. If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Are you in compliance with the law you preach and try to impose on others? Or are you amending the law to suit your fancy thus in reality keeping the traditions of men/women? Why didn't your prophetess get it right at first? Does God write error on the heart?Just more complaining and self condemnation totally off topic.More off topic material intended to mnipulate.You intend here to mean keeping the law is required for salvation, specifically the 7th day sabbath as Bob S has noted with a quote from EGW saying no sabbath; no salvation.
Jesus says; abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in me,1 and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and thou hears the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Are you a teacher of God's people and know not these things?

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Sin is the transgression of God's Law and who so ever sins has neither seen him or known him. He that commits sin is a servant to sin but if the Son of Man shall make you free you shall be free indeed. This is the parable the seed is the Word of God.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. By grace are you saved through faith and not of yourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick but go and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

How much of the above was my words? He must increase and I must decrease.
By-the-way James isn't talking about doing works of the law. Respect of persons isn't aginst any of the ten commandments.
The law of liberty isn't a reference to the law issued to Israel. That law is restrictive in every aspect.Aren't you really saying those who oppose you here are wicked? What is your evidence?
Only God's Word is true.

James 2:8-12

8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

This also includes the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10. If we knowingly break any of God's Laws and are not repentant we are guilty before God of breaking all of God's Law and are in danger of the Judgement.
 
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Each of your quoted passages were discussed by me in that post. I showed the contradictions of your meaning applied to them. What else do you want but for me to allow you to mislead me from the truth? Many passages have been quoted by me and others showing your error even from the Gospels and quotes of Jesus. What more do you want? Do you really love God's Word? BobRyan has taken to posting about taking God's Name in vain.

Our opinions mean nothing with God. It is only God's Word that is truth. He must increase and I must decrease. With respect, you have done none of your claims above. Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Lets agree to disagree and let God be our judge. God's Word says hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. We must be careful to believe and follow all of God's Word and not only the sections of it that suit our interpretation. If you find sections of scripture that seem to contradict what you believe, it should be a warning to you that you are building on sifting sand. God's Word never contradicts itself and is in harmony with all that is written.

In Christ Always!
 
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Nothing here but abuse of God's Word. This is meant to condemn another with an off topic quote without reference. your post has nothing to do with anything I posted. It doesn't answer 1 single question in that post.

Hi listed,
Post 376 was not addressed to you personally. The scriptures in this post are for ALL (myself included). If you feel God's Word is talking to you personally give thanks to God and harden not your heart. It is His Word not mine if you believe the scriptures are for you thank God and follow him. If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, has one that judges him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.

In Christ Always!
 
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All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law
Let's carry on
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Hmmm
If you live under the law you must obey the law to be righteous before God. We know the passnark us 100 percent perfect obedience
So what's Pauls conclusion?

What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and gentiles alike are ALL under sin
Rom3:9

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Verse20

It's simply no good to just pluck a verse out at random, without understanding the context of what is meant.
 
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LGW, the old covenant Torah was not about salvation, so how could one loose his salvation by not observing Sabbath?
Ex19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
 
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You seem to be mixed up.

Ceremonial;
meaning: sɛrɪˈməʊnɪəl: A the system of rules and procedures to be observed at a formal or religious occasion.
My dictionary defines ceremonial as:

relating to or used for formal events of a religious or public nature.

and

the system of rules and procedures to be observed at a formal or religious occasion.

A ceremony is:
  1. a formal religious or public occasion, typically one celebrating a particular event or anniversary.

    an act or series of acts performed according to a traditional or prescribed form.
    "we found a rabbi to perform the ceremony for us"
    synonyms: ritual, rite, ceremonial, observance; More
    service, sacrament, liturgy, worship, celebration
    "a wedding ceremony"

    2. the ritual observances and procedures performed at grand and formal occasions.
Memorial; meaning mɪˈmɔːrɪəl: a statue or structure established to remind people of a person or event. Intended to commemorate someone or something.
Memorial means:
noun
1.
something designed to preserve the memory of a person, event, etc., as a monument or a holiday.
2.
a written statement of facts presented to a sovereign, a legislative body, etc., as the ground of, or expressed in the form of, a petition or remonstrance.
adjective
3.
preserving the memory of a person or thing; commemorative:
memorial services.
4.
of or relating to the memory.

Now please say the sabbath as commanded and practiced doesn't fit those definitions. I know you'll say they're wrong. English is my native and only language. Why is it that your type says "happy Sabbath?" The commandment says remember (with instructions) the sabbath.
The 4th commandment (Ex 20:8-11) is a memorial of creation and a sign that God’s people follow the only true God of creation who saves us from our sins (Eze 20:12)
The phrase "God's people" is being misused and replacing Israel with something more general. This is plainly sophistry with intent. You've been quoted from Romans 9:28 as proof. here's the quote from Hosea 2:23 Paul had in mind:

And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

No where does the Scripture say these people will become Israeli nor subject to the law governing them.
Maybe with your interpretation not mine.
I catch and return this comment to you.
Interesting response. Let God’s Word be the judge. I do not judge you it is between you and God.
Yes let God's Word settle the issue and judge us both. The Christian has passed the judgment and secured eternal life without the law. See John 5:24.
Righteousness does stem from God’s Law and yes we need a Saviour. My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness (Psalms 119:172).
Then why do you say when a person sins (violates the law) they void their salvation? This is clear double speak recognized as a lie.
Yet the scripture you quote does not support what you say and your interpretation is in contradiction to God’s Word.

1 Peter 4:17,
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
This isn't speaking of judgment of individuals nor of the judgment of the wicked.
James 2:10-12
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

In Christ Always!
You really create problems for yourself and your doctrines with your quote from James 2.
 
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This post is for the lurker and non participant looking for the truth.

It's really interesting to read the pro law contingency lash out in anger with selective passages to manipulate by fear about a relationship with God.

The pro law contingency doesn't believe these words of Jesus found in this verse from John 10:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Their claim at best is it's Jesus plus keeping the law without which bars a person from heaven (salvation).

Jesus also said in verse 9:

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

This verse doesn't include the law as the means of entry.

The following verse (10) says:

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The enemy of your soul did to Eve and tried to do to Jesus (God) the very same thing the pro law contingency is doing here; using sophistry to deceive and destroy.
 
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If you are a Christian yes, God’s Law (10 commandments) has done its job leading you to Jesus. God’s Law show us what sin is. If we are knowingly sinning while professing to follow Jesus we have fallen from grace and no longer Christian and once again have come under God’s Law and are guilty before God. If we have unrepented sin in our lives we are in danger of leaving God and coming under God’s judgement.
This supports my claim about your conditional salvation. It means salvation is by works of the law and not a gift from God. You've been quoted Romans 3:20:

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

and you still say a person won't be justified unless they keep the law. Who is it that disagrees with Scripture? Oh wait, I think you say or imply Romans isn't scripture because it's not OT.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgressing also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom. 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom. 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If you are breaking any of God’s commandments you are sinning and not following God and are in danger of the Judgement.
This statement verifies what I said to be true.
 
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You quote verses 6-9 of Hebrews Chapter 8 to say that it is not in reference to the 10 commandments and the verses you quote do not even support what you say. You do know that Paul is only quoting from the Old Testament scriptures in Jeremiah 31 don’t you? So If Paul was only quoting from Jeremiah 31 what law was Jeremiah talking about?

First I didn't quote anything as you say above.

Second "promises" aren't law.

Third "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant," is a direct reference to the ten commandments per Moses. I quote Deuteronomy 4:13:

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

If you don't accept these words of Moses you don't believe the Scripture. No interpretation is needed. I've not misapplied the verse.
Jeremiah 31:30-34
30, But every one shall die for his own iniquity (sin): every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31, Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33, But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34, And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
I bolded and enlarged the words you refuse to accept and ignore disproving your view.
Ezekiel also talks about it…

Ezekiel 36:22-29
22, Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23, And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24, For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28, And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29, I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
This applies to Israel only. Acts proves with out doubt what Jeremiah said also applies to the whole world. Jesus verifies this promise of Genesis 3:15 and prophecy of Jeremiah in John 3:17:

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
So what laws were Jeremiah and Ezekiel talking about? Here is a clue, they are both talking about sin and God’s Law. What is sin?

1 John 3:4
Whosoever commits sin transgressing also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Your verse doesn't back your implied meaning because of a little word "also." Sin was in the world before the law (Romans 5:13) and is the reason the law came (Galatians 3:19).
Rom. 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But you claim otherwise.
Rom. 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Nothing here but a misapplied quote trying to prove 100% obedience to the law is required for salvation. This is flat out a refusal to accept the words of Jesus in John 10 as I've quoted recently.
If you are breaking any of God’s Laws you are sinning and not following God and are in danger of the Judgement because you are not under the New Covenant.
How can any one properly respond to this fallacious statement without getting into trouble?
 
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