Jesus will not marry a female Jew....the Bride will be Christians not unbelievers Jews.That argument about the traditional Jew marriage is rather... well ...not convincing.
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End times - everyone dies?
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1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 16,17
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
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After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
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This is WHEN Jesus will descend from Heaven to establish His Millennial Kingdom on the Earth AFTER THE TRIBULATION...we will forever be with Jesus in His EARTHLY KINGDOM.
Jesus will not return to Heaven....i you are dead you will be resurrected if you are alive and remain UNTO the coming of Jesus you will be translated into immortality in your body.
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Boodskapper...Well you taste death? When YOU die what happens? In this life.. you will close your eyes and open then again and be with the Father as it is written. Now.. when we read Matt 24 we see the things Jesus was talking about are ALL happening at the same time. So... we see Israel become a nation in a day as was foretold. So I see it as we are in the end times.
So..you asked wrong. Its not why are they...YOU should have asked WHY AM I so special.
Because.. NO ONE from the past could have done what HE has planned for you. YOU were the only one that can do it. It was not by some random chance you were born in this day and age. And I am sorry..well seems you got more INFO then you asked for.
For me.. Jesus said He was leaving and coming back to get us. Of those times (we are in now) no one knows whats coming.. as in how it will happen. Only the Father. But.. we keep our eyes on JESUS.. for HE IS coming. I dont get stuck on PRE MID OR POST. I live for NOW I keep my eyes on Him NOW. TODAY is when He will come. And... since you are HIS... relax.. HE WILL PROTECT HIS OWN! But.. to have this..one HAS TO TRUST HIM! If you doubt this.. ask Him to REMIND you ..to show you through out your life how many countless times He has protected you. Good bad what ever.. has no effect on Him.. for HE IS FAITHFUL! WE are not HE IS! Praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS!
There are some.. can be even us that will see the dead rise and we then changed and go up with them to meet Christ in the air.. to be gathered together and be with Him forever.
So..you asked wrong. Its not why are they...YOU should have asked WHY AM I so special.
Because.. NO ONE from the past could have done what HE has planned for you. YOU were the only one that can do it. It was not by some random chance you were born in this day and age. And I am sorry..well seems you got more INFO then you asked for.
For me.. Jesus said He was leaving and coming back to get us. Of those times (we are in now) no one knows whats coming.. as in how it will happen. Only the Father. But.. we keep our eyes on JESUS.. for HE IS coming. I dont get stuck on PRE MID OR POST. I live for NOW I keep my eyes on Him NOW. TODAY is when He will come. And... since you are HIS... relax.. HE WILL PROTECT HIS OWN! But.. to have this..one HAS TO TRUST HIM! If you doubt this.. ask Him to REMIND you ..to show you through out your life how many countless times He has protected you. Good bad what ever.. has no effect on Him.. for HE IS FAITHFUL! WE are not HE IS! Praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS!
There are some.. can be even us that will see the dead rise and we then changed and go up with them to meet Christ in the air.. to be gathered together and be with Him forever.
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We will be caught up in the air -to go- over Jerusalem to meet Jesus in the clouds while Jesus will destroy the unbelievers [those with the mark of the beast]assembled at Armageddon...then after that ,we will descend with Jesus in Jerusalem...for the beginning of His Millennial Kingdom on the Earth.
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Plainly, the 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 prophecy is about the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. He comes down from heaven, and as Matthew 24:31 says; He sends his angels to gather His people to Him.
This is simply a transportation from where they are to where He is. The same as what happened to Philip. Acts 8:39 Some, like the 'woman' [faithful Christians] of Revelation 12:14, will be a great distance away, but all those who remain alive, will gather into Jerusalem and be with Jesus during the Millennium.
There is no rapture removal to heaven for the Church. Jesus said such a thing was impossible. John 3:13, John 7:34, + We have God given tasks to do here on earth, escape is not an option.
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I can't find anything like your saying in the bible, and the verses you've quoted don't say it either.
Here's the closest I've found.
Revelations chapter 21 verse 21
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
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That is very simple, there is ONLY ONE COMING OF JESUS YET TO COME...THAT WILL BE TO ESTABLISH HIS KINGDOM ON THE EARTH.
The Coming of Jesus IN THE CLOUDS IN the AIR mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is the SAME COMING of JESUS in the clouds mentioned in Matthew 24:29-31 and the same coming mentioned in Revelation 19:11-21 ....Revelation 20:4-6 is about Jesus Millennial Kingdom...
AFTER the millennial Kingdom, the Holy City of God [New Jerusalem] and God the Father will descend on the New [ie rejuvenated] Earth surface [Earth without a sea] Revelation 21 ...Revelation 22.
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If the resurrection/rapture takes place just before Armageddon - then why aren't the martyred tribulation saints resurrected at that time too? They are resurrected after Jesus has returned and the millennium about to begin.
The Jews in Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 aren't raptured either, yet they will be Christians at the time.
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I am taught by the Holy Spirit, for all your boasting I notice you never try to rebut my facts. That is because you can not, the Beast will be a Gentile, Geo-political leader.
So you used to be with he consensus but "something: changed your mind, I was never with the consensus but the Holy Spirit brought mt to the realization via study and prayers. I don't follow men, so you believed things because it seems you followed men, then something changed your opinion. So it seems you went about gaining your understandings just the opposite of me, I never follow men's understandings, I weigh all sides and only when the Holy Spirit decides to give me the answers do I affirm a position. Pretty much every thing I hear from you is the opposite of what I ave learned from the Holy Spirit !!
Babylon is World Governments, and that isn't going to change. Of course your view is God is going to punish ONE CITY. And of course you will not hear the fact that in Rev. 16:9 God says he sees BABYLON when Jesus Defeats the Nations at Armageddon. When God Harvests the Wicked in Revelation 14 in the Wine-press of His Wrath He says Babylon is fallen, is fallen. In Rev. 18 when the Plagues go out you actually think its against ONE CITY, which of course makes no sense since the Judgment is upon all men who have received the Mark of the Beast and followed him.
Of course you will not rebut the Daniel 7 and 8 scriptures because you can't, but yet you link to a thread about Islam that no one replied to because they saw the error in your first point, the word SILLY can mean little, which implies FOOLISHNESS, not what you implied, so 2 Timothy 3 has nothing to do with Islam, you just "Twisted" the meaning of silly to try and get there.
A diminutive from G1135; a little (that is, foolish) woman:—silly woman.
{ COME ON MAN !! Every thing you wrote after that is taken with a grain of salt.}
O maybe they see you twisting what a Silly woman is and thereby posting a log diatribe about Islam based on silly beg "Little" even though it really means Foolish Women.
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Oh brother....so you can't grasp that Jesus spoke in parables about all things Jewish, LOL. Really? No one said he marries a Jewish Woman. The Parable about Lazarus was about two Jews also but do you not get that Jesus is talking unto all his followers that it is ungodly to love this world and its pleasures, and thus it is Godly to follow him and love all of his ways? Same thing.
We understand Jesus Marries the Bride, what you do not seem to understand is Jesus gave you all the Clues via parables which is how he himself told you he would speak to his followers, yet you don't grasp it at all. No wonder why you don't get it.
Of course nothing is convincing to you because you already understand it all, or think you do. But maybe others will listen and research it. Every promise Jesus made to the Church is in these very ritualistic Jewish Wedding traditions.
The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:
1 – Selection of the Bride
Jewish Wedding - The Son chooses the Bride – the Father makes the arrangements
Church - John 15:16 – “You did not choose Me, but I chose you . . .”
2 – The Bride Price established
Jewish Wedding - The father of the bride must be reimbursed for the loss of his daughter.
Church - I Corinthians 6:20 - “For you were bought with a price.” The Bride price was paid when Jesus died on the Cross.
3 – The Betrothal
Jewish Wedding - More than mere “engagement”, it was a permanent arrangement. Recall the story of Joseph and Mary.
Church – The attachment of the Church to the Lord is also permanent, and forever. “This is the bread which came down from heaven--not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” (John 6:58) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (John 10:28)
4 – The Marriage Contract
Jewish Wedding – A written agreement committing each party to the marriage.
Church - The entire Holy Bible is our written agreement containing the promises of God. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;” (John 8:31)
5 – The Bride must consent
Jewish Wedding – This is not entirely an arranged marriage; the bride must agree.
Church – “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;” (Mark 16:16) “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9)
6 – The Bridal Gift and the Cup of the Covenant
Jewish Wedding – A glass of wine is taken upon the signing of the contract.
Church – Each time we gather around the Lord’s Table, we remember the “contract.” “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28)
Jewish Wedding – The Bride is given a gift by the groom.
Church - The Holy Spirit is given by Jesus –– “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts 2:38) This, of course, occurred on the Day of Pentecost.
7 – The Ceremonial Purification of the Bride
Jewish Wedding - The next step for the Bride after she is betrothed is a ceremonial cleansing. In Biblical times the Bride would use a Mikvah, which was pool of water, in which she would immerse herself.
Church - Acts 2:41 – “Then those who gladly received his word were baptized (immersed); and that day about three thousand souls were added [to them].”
The Church is an insertion in the Lord's Plan. Israel was the original bride. I believe that the Lord Jesus will come for His bride, the Church, in a separate event (the Rapture) from the Lord's return for His bride, Israel. From this point forward in the Jewish Wedding process, following the purification of the bride, in my opinion the Church will be dealt with separately in the time defined as the Church Age, or the Age of Grace. This period of time will extend from the first Day of Pentecost to the day when the Lord Jesus calls us Home.
8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
Church - John 14:3 – “I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”
The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding. “But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:36)
9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
Church - First Peter 2:9 – “But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people.”
10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
Church - First Thessalonians 4:16 – “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.”
Let me insert an additional hope at this point. When the Lord Jesus comes for His Bride, the Church, we will not be totally surprised. Although the Jewish bride did not know the day or the hour, she was expectant. The Apostle Paul in speaking of “that Day” said, “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day.” (First Thessalonians 5:4-5) Today, many in the Church are expectant and will not be totally surprised.
11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
Church – This period when the Bride and Groom spend time together seems to show that the Bride of Jesus will be with Him in Heaven. The marriage was consummated in the wedding chamber. The Bride and Groom stayed in that wedding chamber for seven days. This appears to indicate a pre-Tribulation gathering of the Church, and is described in Isaiah 26:20; “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.”
12 – The Marriage Supper
Church – “‘Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.’ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, ‘Write: Blessed [are] those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” (The Revelation 19:7-9)
In my opinion, the Feast of Pentecost is still being fulfilled and will be completed when the Lord Jesus comes for His bride.
I believe that in the remaining steps of the Jewish Wedding process, the steps will be fulfilled for Israel in a separate manner.
So, Jesus marries the Bride of Christ, but Israel is the Bride of God. Remember Rachael and Leah?
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Revelation 20:4-6
Is a complementary information telling us exactly who will be part of the FIRST RESURRECTION to live with Jesus during His millennium Kingdom....That will include the [few] believers STILL ALIVE AND REMAIN who have not taken the mark of the Beast who will be changed into immortality....
Note that these Jews in Jerusalem will accept Jesus as their Messiah ONLY when they will see Jesus Coming in Glory....
Do you know that these Jews as well as the group [the Woman]that will be protected in the wilderness will not be changed into immortality... but will be used by God to populate the Earth during the millennium.
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The first criteria that Jesus want is a Bride who can prove her fidelity ...even unto death.
Look out those who are selected to live with Jesus during the Millennium ...
Revelation 20:4-6
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What?
Those in Revelation 20:4-6 are martyred tribulation saints who are resurrected at the onset of the millennium. It isn't talking about the living being changed then. Plus, you wrote the rapture/resurrection takes place right before Armageddon, and them meeting Jesus in the clouds and coming right back down to earth. Revelation 20:4-6 is after Armageddon.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
No, no, In Matthew 23, Jesus speaking directly to Jerusalem, and the Jews there, that they would not see him again, until they say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord". So they are Christians before Jesus returns.
The disciples believed Jesus was the messiah before he entered Jerusalem - and they said "blessed is the King of Israel who comes in the name of the Lord". The Jews for the first part of the seven years will think the Antichrist is the King of Israel - that's what makes the person the Antichrist. But when he betrays them and the covenant, they turn to Jesus. .... but are not raptured because the Rapture takes place before then.
John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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1 Thess 4:13-16 tell us that UNTO HIS COMING Jesus will descend from Heaven with those who sleep in Jesus....THESE ARE THEM WHO WILL BE RESURRECTED UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS ...THESE ARE THE SOULS OF THOSE MENTIONED IN Revelation 20:4-6What?
Those in Revelation 20:4-6 are martyred tribulation saints who are resurrected at the onset of the millennium. It isn't talking about the living being changed then. Plus, you wrote the rapture/resurrection takes place right before Armageddon, and them meeting Jesus in the clouds and coming right back down to earth. Revelation 20:4-6 is after Armageddon.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-16
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Revelation 20:4-6 tell us precisely who are these SOULS that will be part of the FIRST RESURRECTION
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It has nothing to do with Islam. You just crated that take out if thin air, and I exposed it, sorry no ones buying that brother. You think posting pics of something creates a "TRUTH" now I have seen everything. Its about EVIL MEN leading SILLY/FOOLISH WOMEN into SIN.....You know like the giggling, silly, young girls we see all across our country that can b talked into just about anything? And all the women who get abortion because they are told its your body and your right, the ones that leave their husbands because the courts have legalized divorce to such an extent that women can use it in some instances to get wealthy.
I see it all over our nation today, so don't kid yourself that this is about Islam. Its speaking about silly foolish women being led astray with by guys that most women would have knocked out in the 30's or 40's if they talked to them in such a manner, now they having no morals go right along with the immoral man.
This is to funny. Following a FALSE GOD means you are in peril. No need to mention anything else. Islam will be destroyed by the Anti-Christ.
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Look that up in the bible and post its whereabouts !!
What God/Jesus requires is FAITH, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is a GIFT OF GOD !!
Where do you get these notions brother. The whole New Testament speaks about the Grace of God, and you are preaching WORKS MAN !!!
You do know..........I KNOW YOU DON'T.........I'll feign surprise........that the BEHEADED are those that became Christians after the Rapture. That is why 12:17 calls them a REMNANT of thos that have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
That's just not factual, Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:1 prove you wrong. Because in Zechariah chapter 14 the Nations Conquer Jerusalem and then God goes forth to battle those nations/Jesus lands on Mt. Zion. So WHICH HAPPENS FIRST?
Also in Malachi 4:5-6 God says he will send Elijah back to turn Israel back unto Him BEFORE the Great and terrible Day of the Lord.
The Two-Witnesses PREACH for 1260 Days but die after the Second Woe. That tells us their 1260 Days must start before the Beast/Anti-Christs 1260 Days start, because He dies at the Seventh Vial (Latter on). Why do you think you have Jews heeding Jesus' words to Flee unto the Mountains? They have REPENTED by the time the Beast Conquers Jerusalem !!!
Those Jews are the WOMEN....The REMNANT is the Church that accept Christ after the Rapture. You are correct, they will not be changed into immortal beings. But the BEHEADED will be because they rule with Christ for 1000 years on Earth, the Church goes back to Heaven, to help build the New Jerusalem I suppose, because the Bride comes down wit the New Jerusalem.
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