Any prophecies out there we can actually believe?

keras · Sep 5, 2017

victorinus said:
where does it say Jesus will reign?

Revelation 19:15-16 And at the end of the 1000 years Jesus will deliver the Kingdom to the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:24

Dartman · Sep 5, 2017

Oscarr said:
I agree. There is confusion between the role of Old and New Testament prophecy. Old Testament prophecy was directed at the Nation of Israel and the prophets heard directly from God and there was no mistake about it.

There are VAST quantities of prophecies in the OT that affect EVERY believer. The discussion between Jehovah and Eve included a promise that her "seed" would bruise Satan's head. The covenant with Abraham included promises of a "seed" in whom "all families of the earth" would be blessed. The promises to Judah included a "law giver" who will reign, The promises to Israel included mention of blessings for the Gentiles. The promises to David include prophecies of ALL nations being ruled over by a righteous descendant. The promises in Isa., Jer., Daniel, Ezekiel, Zecheriah, etc., include prophecies that affect ALL the nations.

Oscarr said:
New Testament prophecy is quite different. The only real description of it is in 1 Corinthians 14 where Paul said that prophecy was for encouragement, building up, exhortation and comfort for the people of God. There was one predictive prophesy recorded in Acts where Agabus said that there was going to be a famine throughout the Roman provinces which actually came to pass. This prompted the Gentile churches to take up a love offering for the Christians in Jerusalem which must have been affected by the famine. Agabus also predicted that Paul was going to be imprisoned if he went to Jerusalem, forewarning Paul; nevertheless, Paul felt in the Spirit that he needed to go there, and the rest is history.

There are many other NT prophecies, including the destruction of Jerusalem, and the temple, foretelling the tribulation of Israel, and the advent of the Church, also foretelling the apostasy within the Church, and the domination of that apostate Church, which has lasted about 1500 years, so far! Prophecies regarding Christ's 2nd coming, and the 1st resurrection, with the Saints reigning literally on the earth, over the survivors of Christ's return.
There is a LOT of prophecy!

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 5, 2017

Dartman said:
There are VAST quantities of prophecies in the OT that affect EVERY believer. The discussion between Jehovah and Eve included a promise that her "seed" would bruise Satan's head. The covenant with Abraham included promises of a "seed" in whom "all families of the earth" would be blessed. The promises to Judah included a "law giver" who will reign, The promises to Israel included mention of blessings for the Gentiles. The promises to David include prophecies of ALL nations being ruled over by a righteous descendant. The promises in Isa., Jer., Daniel, Ezekiel, Zecheriah, etc., include prophecies that affect ALL the nations.

There are many other NT prophecies, including the destruction of Jerusalem, and the temple, foretelling the tribulation of Israel, and the advent of the Church, also foretelling the apostasy within the Church, and the domination of that apostate Church, which has lasted about 1500 years, so far! Prophecies regarding Christ's 2nd coming, and the 1st resurrection, with the Saints reigning literally on the earth, over the survivors of Christ's return.
There is a LOT of prophecy!

I agree. But these prophecies were recorded for our education and not for our direct guidance. I am currently reading Bill Hamon's 3 volumes on Prophecy and his "Eternal Church". Very interesting reading.

The prophecies that I take with a grain of salt are those which link actual current events to say that the prophecies are being fulfilled through those events. We can safety assume that current events are part of the process but there are many more things that have to happen, such as the gospel being preached to all nations and all languages, which has not happened yet.

Also, God is taking time to perfect the Church. At present it is in chaos with many divisions and denominations. When the Church has shed these and is working in unity under Christ, then it is well on the way to the type of Church that Christ wants to come back for.

I tend to ignore prophecies about what Satan is wanting to do in the world. I'm more interested in what God is intending to do. This is why I discount prophecies about disasters, wars, 666, the beast, etc., especially when current political figures are identified as the Anti-Christ.

But prophecies that say that the church is going to develop into a unified force under the Holy Spirit to bring world-wide revival, including bringing the majority of Jews into the Church, are much more believable. There has been, over the last 500 years, a steady restoration of essential truth to the Church, and there is more to come.

shilohsfoal · Sep 5, 2017

keras said:
1 Thessalonians 5:5 You, my friends are not in the dark...
Paul was telling the Thessalonians [and us] that we, who believe in God, follow Jesus and study His Word, should be aware of end time events. He goes on to say in verse 6 & 7: You are all children of the Light, you do not belong to darkness and we must not sleep like other people, but keep awake and sober.

The attitude of - what will be will be, or I just leave my future in God's hands is hardly good enough. Many Bible verses say that it is possible to be informed about the future and those who are taken unawares of coming events, could be disadvantaged.

My belief is that we are, as at 2017, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, the Land of Greater Israel will be regenerated and the Lord's faithful Christians, from every race, nation and language, will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with New Israel, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign.
I can provide scriptural support for all of the above events.

I agree with most of what you wrote here.The only thing I don't agree with is the one world government.The beast has already appeared and the son of perditon has obtained his kingdom.
Would you like me to show you how close we are to the time of the end?
I can show you last prophecy I watched fulfilled if you want.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 5, 2017

shilohsfoal said:
I agree with most of what you wrong here.
The only thing I don't agree with is the one world government.The beast has already appeared and the son of perditon has obtained his kingdom.
Would you like me to show you how close we are to the time of the end?

I agree that in terms of the eternal clock, we are at around one minute to midnight. There have been indicates that there may be some living today who will see the second coming of Christ. They may still be small children, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus came in their lifetime. But I could be wrong though, so I am not giving a prophecy about it as some have.

shilohsfoal · Sep 5, 2017

keras said:
1 Thessalonians 5:5 You, my friends are not in the dark...
Paul was telling the Thessalonians [and us] that we, who believe in God, follow Jesus and study His Word, should be aware of end time events. He goes on to say in verse 6 & 7: You are all children of the Light, you do not belong to darkness and we must not sleep like other people, but keep awake and sober.

The attitude of - what will be will be, or I just leave my future in God's hands is hardly good enough. Many Bible verses say that it is possible to be informed about the future and those who are taken unawares of coming events, could be disadvantaged.

My belief is that we are, as at 2017, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, the Land of Greater Israel will be regenerated and the Lord's faithful Christians, from every race, nation and language, will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with New Israel, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign.
I can provide scriptural support for all of the above events.

I agree with most of what you wrote here.The only thing I don't agree with is the one world government.The beast has already appeared and the son of perditon has obtained his kingdom.
Would you like me to show you how close we are to the time of the end?
I can show you the last prophecy I watched fulfilled if you want.

disciple1 · Sep 5, 2017

rockytopva said:
Are there any prophecies out there we can actually believe? I am wondering about the times and the seasons and it is like we are not hearing much from God. Plenty of speculation out there, but nothing I can believe as of God.

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. - Deuteronomy 18:22

Presumptuously, Zadown in the Hebrew; interpreted - pride, insolence, presumptuousness, arrogance

There are a lot of people prophecying things of the future, including the Lord's coming, but they are doing it from the spirit of their own ego, and God is not in the word they teach.

rockytopva said:
Are there any prophecies out there we can actually believe?

rockytopva said:
There are a lot of people prophecying things of the future, including the Lord's coming, but they are doing it from the spirit of their own ego, and God is not in the word they teach.

I think the only prophecy we can believe is the bible, but I can't figure out any of what it's saying of the prophecy anyway.

Blade · Sep 5, 2017

Yes... but where are you looking? If its places like YOUTUBE... pass. You know side note.. I believe the word and all thats in it. All for today. I sees channel after channel on YOUTUBE about "PROPHECY" and the like and its mostly if not all BAD thats coming on the earth. They get HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of views.

I found a preacher.. very old man. Been making videos and SO many of them for about 7 years. Now what I JUST LOVE is EVERY video.. is love up lifting about Christ and always the WORD.. I mean ALWAYS. He does not ever get stuck on things. Just Jesus and and all the blessings and how Jesus can do this and that for you. What does he believe about gifts and that? HAHA no clue..

What hurts...is he always gets about 1-30 views. And you NEVER leave that with out knowing JESUS LOVES YOU and there us hope for no matter what you need.

victorinus · Sep 6, 2017

keras said:
Revelation 19:15-16 And at the end of the 1000 years Jesus will deliver the Kingdom to the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:24

what does it say in rev 20?
Christ will reign with them
-or-
they will reign with Christ
-
there is a big difference

George64 · Sep 6, 2017

keras said:
1 Thessalonians 5:5 You, my friends are not in the dark...
Paul was telling the Thessalonians [and us] that we, who believe in God, follow Jesus and study His Word, should be aware of end time events. He goes on to say in verse 6 & 7: You are all children of the Light, you do not belong to darkness and we must not sleep like other people, but keep awake and sober.

The attitude of - what will be will be, or I just leave my future in God's hands is hardly good enough. Many Bible verses say that it is possible to be informed about the future and those who are taken unawares of coming events, could be disadvantaged.

My belief is that we are, as at 2017, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, the Land of Greater Israel will be regenerated and the Lord's faithful Christians, from every race, nation and language, will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with New Israel, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign.
I can provide scriptural support for all of the above events.

Jim Evans says pretty much same thing.

victorinus · Sep 6, 2017

rockytopva said:
After predicting his estimation for the end of time, Isaac Newton

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These documents do not appear to have been written with the intention of publication and Newton expressed a strong personal dislike for individuals who provided specific dates for the Apocalypse purely for sensational value. Furthermore, he at no time provides a specific date for the end of the world in either of these documents"

dqhall · Sep 6, 2017

rockytopva said:
Are there any prophecies out there we can actually believe? I am wondering about the times and the seasons and it is like we are not hearing much from God. Plenty of speculation out there, but nothing I can believe as of God.

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. - Deuteronomy 18:22

Presumptuously, Zadown in the Hebrew; interpreted - pride, insolence, presumptuousness, arrogance

There are a lot of people prophecying things of the future, including the Lord's coming, but they are doing it from the spirit of their own ego, and God is not in the word they teach.

Isaiah 11:11-12 (WEB)
It will happen in that day that the Lord will set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

In 1948, Israel won its war of independence. Jews from Iraq, Northern Africa, Europe, North America, South America, Russia, Australia and the four corners of the earth started to go to Israel. In 2013 the evacuation of Ethiopian Jews was completed with the airlift of 450 Ethiopian Jews to Israel.

Jesus prophesied, 'first the Gospel must be preached to all nations.' The Internet is making global access to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John easier. Google Translate is taking away language barriers.

victorinus · Sep 6, 2017

dqhall said:
Jesus prophesied, 'first the Gospel must be preached to all nations.' The Internet is making global access to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John easier. Google Translate is taking away language barriers.

amen

shilohsfoal · Sep 6, 2017

dqhall said:
Isaiah 11:11-12 (WEB)
It will happen in that day that the Lord will set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

In 1948, Israel won its war of independence. Jews from Iraq, Northern Africa, Europe, North America, South America, Russia, Australia and the four corners of the earth started to go to Israel. In 2013 the evacuation of Ethiopian Jews was completed with the airlift of 450 Ethiopian Jews to Israel.

Jesus prophesied, 'first the Gospel must be preached to all nations.' The Internet is making global access to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John easier. Google Translate is taking away language barriers.

The Lord didn't gather those people into the land of Israel.They followed the beast from many nations and peoples.

vinsight4u · Sep 6, 2017

vinsight4u · Sep 6, 2017

victorinus · Sep 6, 2017

vinsight4u said:
Several places we are told as to

I am talking about rev 20

victorinus · Sep 6, 2017

vinsight4u said:
The resurrection is not taking place in Revelation 20 for these groups, but it happened back earlier in this vision that began at Rev. 19:1.

what does it say in rev 20?
do they reign?
-or-
does Christ reign?

vinsight4u · Sep 14, 2017

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