Psychiatry a pseudoscience?

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There are some psychiatrist’s and doctors who claim psychiatry has no biological scientific basis and never will do. Because methods of diagnosis are not scientific in anyway do you think there is possibility of an underlying spiritual cause with some people?

Mainstream Western Psychiatry: Science or Non-science? - Mad In America

There's an unlying spiritual cause with everybody. Look how many people in that field claiming now that a lot of people are not diagnosed correctly, or haven't been diagnosed yet? The number of people that we assume is "normal" and then all of a sudden do drastic actions? And whatever manifestations coming out of trauma, or of food, or of a birth defect, or of the environment, things that science can't easily "cure" or claim to be purely biological, or purely on emotions, are given names and "treated", with no real sense of clarity of the source.It's because it's not just a physical thing. It's because a lot of these things are manifestations of the spirit, that have an influence on our physical psyche.

In the bible, there is an instance where Jesus healed a blind man. Before that, people asked him if it was his sin or the sin of his parents why he was born blind. Jesus never denied that being a possibility, but clarified that his blindness is there to reveal God's glory to him. (John 9:1-12) There are such things as generational curses, and sin of the land, and demonic oppression and possession, and sin we put upon ourselves that have an effect on us on a spiritual level and made evident on a physical level, whether mind or body.

The thing with psychiatry is that as long as it doesn't address the spiritual, their tactics will always be like putting a band-aid on a broken blood vessel.That's not to say that we shouldn't be trying to heal physically of things, but idk mainstream stuff always seems to have an agenda behind it that doesn't really care for you to be made whole but keeps you in a cycle of dependency.
 
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There's an unlying spiritual cause with everybody. Look how many people in that field claiming now that a lot of people are not diagnosed correctly, or haven't been diagnosed yet? The number of people that we assume is "normal" and then all of a sudden do drastic actions? And whatever manifestations coming out of trauma, or of food, or of a birth defect, or of the environment, things that science can't easily "cure" or claim to be purely biological, or purely on emotions, are given names and "treated", with no real sense of clarity of the source.It's because it's not just a physical thing. It's because a lot of these things are manifestations of the spirit, that have an influence on our physical psyche.

In the bible, there is an instance where Jesus healed a blind man. Before that, people asked him if it was his sin or the sin of his parents why he was born blind. Jesus never denied that being a possibility, but clarified that his blindness is there to reveal God's glory to him. (John 9:1-12) There are such things as generational curses, and sin of the land, and sin we put upon ourselves that have an effect on us on a spiritual level and made evident on a physical level, whether mind or body.

The thing with psychiatry is that as long as it doesn't address the spiritual, their tactics will always be like putting a band-aid on a broken blood vessel.That's not to say that we shouldn't be trying to heal physically of things, but idk mainstream stuff always seems to have an agenda behind it that doesn't really care for you to be made whole but keeps you in a cycle of dependency.
I certainly take your apparent point about secular psychiatrists, with a view of the human person which does not take the Creator into account, are unlikely to see the Godward spiritual dimension of things. Having said this, for someone who is depressed, a recommended course of activities and exercises or tasks, backed up with meds, can be of help to some ppl.
 
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I certainly take your apparent point about secular psychiatrists, with a view of the human person which does not take the Creator into account, are unlikely to see the Godward spiritual dimension of things. Having said this, for someone who is depressed, a recommended course of activities and exercises or tasks, backed up with meds, can be of help to some ppl.

I agree, it just that it tends to only stop at exercises and meds, and not address the spirit.Some people don't even like taking some meds because the symptoms from them do more damage than good. But we are not encouraged to question it. I guess that's why I appreciate this post because it does question it.

My sister works in a pysche ward as a nurse, and she witness as much as demonic possession, but it's being treated as a plain diagnosis. Some of them would be discharged and end up coming back and becomes a cycle because the treatments aren't dealing with them as a whole.
 
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I agree, it just that it tends to only stop at exercises and meds, and not address the spirit.Some people don't even like taking some meds because the symptoms from them do more damage than good. But we are not encouraged to question it. I guess that's why I appreciate this post because it does question it.

My sister works in a pysche ward as a nurse, and she witness as much as demonic possession, but it's being treated as a plain diagnosis. Some of them would be discharged and end up coming back and becomes a cycle because the treatments aren't dealing with them as a whole.
In some ways the analogy of a make up artist might fit. (It's not an exact analogy, because there is deeper science involved.)

For example, when you are feeling tired and down, an professional make up artist can change your appearance significantly and indeed make you feel good about yourself. This does not address deeper, spiritual issues.

But it still has the advantage of making you feel good about yourself.
 
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Scientologists think it is. Christians shouldn't think that, since it's not a pseudoscience.

I agree. I think it does give light to what is going on in own minds and how it works. Since we are complex beings, I would expect the research to evolve and the medicines addressing it to evolve as well.But a lot of the questions and holes in the methods and what drives these methods to exist are there because the spiritual portion to us is just not addressed or considered.
 
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In some ways the analogy of a make up artist might fit. (It's not an exact analogy, because there is deeper science involved.)

For example, when you are feeling tired and down, an professional make up artist can change your appearance significantly and indeed make you feel good about yourself. This does not address deeper, spiritual issues.

But it still has the advantage of making you feel good about yourself.

True, but if I see those issues manifest like they start breaking down, I'm not gonna think " Hm maybe she didn't have enough makeup", or "they should just always wear makeup to always feel good" lol. I mean yeah, it's a broad analogy, but it does speak about how impactful the professional can be in terms of them being marketed as a go-to person to fix problems.

Because nothing wrong with makeup itself, but using and marketing makeup as a conclusive cure to a deeper issue can be a problem.
 
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True, but if I see those issues manifest like they start breaking down, I'm not gonna think " Hm maybe she didn't have enough makeup", lol. I mean yeah, it's a broad analogy, but it does speak about how impactful the professional can be in terms of them being marketed as a go-to person to fix problems.

Because nothing wrong with makeup itself, but using and marketing makeup as a conclusive cure to a deeper issue can be a problem.
I agree.

But it's like when you go on an interview.

If with the best of ideas you go to an interview in leggings, flip flops, wispy hair and no make up or earrings, your interviewer is likely to think that the way you look negates your serious and even professional ideas.

But if you go with a good outfit, reasonable heels, hair cut, some make up and with earrings in, the way you look will commend your ideas and professionalism.

It's not a complete analogy, but maybe there are some parallels.
 
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Scientologists think it is. Christians shouldn't think that, since it's not a pseudoscience.

Pretty sure the psychiatrist and author presented in the article is not a scientologist. How is it scientific to diagnose people with mental disorders the way they do...by the opinion of a clinician?. There is no proof of chemical imbalance of a patient’s brain they have diagnosed with. I'm curious to know the name of the scientific theory that proves for example schizophrenia is a disease of the brain?
 
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Pretty sure the psychiatrist and author presented in the article is not a scientologist. How is it scientific to diagnose people with mental disorders the way they do...by the opinion of a clinician?. There is no proof of chemical imbalance of a patient’s brain they have diagnosed with. I'm curious to know the name of the scientific theory that proves for example schizophrenia is a disease of the brain?

Never said nor implied they were. The point is that scientologists are into this kooky religion, has made a war against psychiatry. They're a pseudo-religion, calling a legitimate science a pseudoscience. It's foolish for Christians to do that.

There's diagnostic criteria for psychiatric illnesses, it's not just the 'opinion of a clinician'.
 
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Never said nor implied they were. The point is that scientologists are into this kooky religion, has made a war against psychiatry. They're a pseudo-religion, calling a legitimate science a pseudoscience. It's foolish for Christians to do that.

There's diagnostic criteria for psychiatric illnesses, it's not just the 'opinion of a clinician'.

Are you referring to the DSM?
 
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