Why did God create this Earth?

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The God of the Bible promises you:

"You will seek Me and find Me, when you seek Me with all your heart" (Old Testament, Book of Jeremiah, Chapter 29, verse 13)

God does NOT lie or mislead people, or play tricks with peoples lives. IF you are really sincere, He WILL answer you!

In recent times.. Just these past few months, i prayed to God about my loved one. Because he was a bad person. i prayed that he would not commit sins anymore and become a good person.
Instead he gets hurt, badly.
sometime after that, i did it again, prayed about my loved one. He gets hurt. again.
Im afraid to pray if that's how God answers my prayers. or perhaps He is just a silent God.
 
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I think i should just starting believing in the Bible.. Truly, that seems to be the only way to end my suffering. I used to be very religious as a child you know. I prayed every day and then...
i don't know what to do. But i will find a way.
Thanks for trying to help.

I am always here to help. You are right, the Holy Bible is the ONLY Way, as ONLY the Holy Bible is THE Word of Almighty God to the human race. If you are sincere, which I believe you are, then God WILL hear you and surely help you. I was once lost in sin, and then Jesus saved me! I pray that He hears your cry to Him and delivers you from your old life!
 
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In recent times.. Just these past few months, i prayed to God about my loved one. Because he was a bad person. i prayed that he would not commit sins anymore and become a good person.
Instead he gets hurt, badly.
sometime after that, i did it again, prayed about my loved one. He gets hurt. again.
Im afraid to pray if that's how God answers my prayers. or perhaps He is just a silent God.

A person is a "free agent" to either sin or not, we can pray for them, but it is up to them to stop or not. the Lord will and does help, but we can ignore Him and turn away from Him and continue in our sins. But this does not mean that He has failed in any way.
 
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A person is a "free agent" to either sin or not, we can pray for them, but it is up to them to stop or not. the Lord will and does help, but we can ignore Him and turn away from Him and continue in our sins. But this does not mean that He has failed in any way.

believe me, the Lord loves and cares for you VERY MUCH, and Jesus came to die for YOUR sins!
 
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A person is a "free agent" to either sin or not, we can pray for them, but it is up to them to stop or not. the Lord will and does help, but we can ignore Him and turn away from Him and continue in our sins. But this does not mean that He has failed in any way.
you are right, i understand.
Thank You
 
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If Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil, how could they have chosen to obey or disobey if they had no knowledge to knowingly and willfully choose to disobey?
I do not think that it is a fair assumption to make, that they had no knowledge of good and evil before the fall. The text shows that they came to exercise discernment of good and evil, but to say that they had no knowledge of good and evil would suggest that they would think it is OK to kill an animal for food, but that didn't happen until after the fall. It is only when they began to exercise discernment of good and evil that the problems began. When you think about it, all the problems do come down to someone who has chosen to do evil instead of good, and through having convinced themselves one way or another that it is a good thing to do evil. But, what you mean to say is that they did not know good and evil, I do not think that is a reasonable thing to say. The only way that God could be pleased, is if He saw that man was doing good in His creation. In order for a man to do good, he needs to know what is good and what is evil. So the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents a growing knowledge of good and evil, but he was commanded to not use the produce of that knowledge for his way of life (sustenance and pleasure).
Before the fall Adam and Eve only could live in accordance to God's will.
.. at the risk of offending you (I do not intend to do this), but the meaning of this word "doing God's will" is somewhat different to the meaning of the word "doing to God's pleasure". The difference being, that it is possible to do our own will in a way that brings God's pleasure (and we should assume that it was for Adam too). So as long as we are always making choices that please God (by choosing to do good and not evil), then it doesn't necessarily need to be that we are acting without free will. I do personally know God, and I know that He doesn't command my every action. I do have a lot of free will and usually my choices do not invoke His displeasure. I also know that when He does command me, I need to obey Him, otherwise I cannot escape the conviction of my conscience - and that's what it is all about.

We are supposed to have free will, so that we can love life and praise Him for it, but sometimes He does require something from us, as a loving Father does, and as a loving child does for his loving Father, we do our part.
But after the fall it become possible to choose to disobey and not worship on our own accord
It actually became the de-facto state for all who graduate to the age of responsibility (Romans 7:9, Romans 6:16-22), because we all get lured away by our desires and encouraged by the fallen world to go astray from the pure nature we are born with (James 1:14-15).
The Devil did not want to worship like many humans these days so he was kicked out of Heaven.
He started to question the equality between God and himself. He questioned God's authority.

Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
I actually do agree in large part with what you have said here, but I do not read this scripture to refer as mythology does, to a created angel called "Lucifer". Rather, in this scripture, the phrase "Lucifer" is referring to a human, the king of Babylon.

It is generally understood that the title "satan" means "the opposer", and is used to refer to any persons (beings) who oppose God. Jesus spoke to St. Peter, addressing him as Satan when he tempted Jesus by his own heart's desire.

I would caution you to be careful about believing popular lore about angels and the rebellion in heaven, because there is very little written in the scriptures to support that idea. The majority of what we learn about them has to come from experience with them (Ephesians 6:12).
 
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I do not think that it is a fair assumption to make, that they had no knowledge of good and evil before the fall. The text shows that they came to exercise discernment of good and evil, but to say that they had no knowledge of good and evil would suggest that they would think it is OK to kill an animal for food, but that didn't happen until after the fall. It is only when they began to exercise discernment of good and evil that the problems began. When you think about it, all the problems do come down to someone who has chosen to do evil instead of good, and through having convinced themselves one way or another that it is a good thing to do evil. But, what you mean to say is that they did not know good and evil, I do not think that is a reasonable thing to say. The only way that God could be pleased, is if He saw that man was doing good in His creation. In order for a man to do good, he needs to know what is good and what is evil. So the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents a growing knowledge of good and evil, but he was commanded to not use the produce of that knowledge for his way of life (sustenance and pleasure).

.. at the risk of offending you (I do not intend to do this), but the meaning of this word "doing God's will" is somewhat different to the meaning of the word "doing to God's pleasure". The difference being, that it is possible to do our own will in a way that brings God's pleasure (and we should assume that it was for Adam too). So as long as we are always making choices that please God (by choosing to do good and not evil), then it doesn't necessarily need to be that we are acting without free will. I do personally know God, and I know that He doesn't command my every action. I do have a lot of free will and usually my choices do not invoke His displeasure. I also know that when He does command me, I need to obey Him, otherwise I cannot escape the conviction of my conscience - and that's what it is all about.

We are supposed to have free will, so that we can love life and praise Him for it, but sometimes He does require something from us, as a loving Father does, and as a loving child does for his loving Father, we do our part.

It actually became the de-facto state for all who graduate to the age of responsibility (Romans 7:9, Romans 6:16-22), because we all get lured away by our desires and encouraged by the fallen world to go astray from the pure nature we are born with (James 1:14-15).

I actually do agree in large part with what you have said here, but I do not read this scripture to refer as mythology does, to a created angel called "Lucifer". Rather, in this scripture, the phrase "Lucifer" is referring to a human, the king of Babylon.

It is generally understood that the title "satan" means "the opposer", and is used to refer to any persons (beings) who oppose God. Jesus spoke to St. Peter, addressing him as Satan when he tempted Jesus by his own heart's desire.

I would caution you to be careful about believing popular lore about angels and the rebellion in heaven, because there is very little written in the scriptures to support that idea. The majority of what we learn about them has to come from experience with them (Ephesians 6:12).

You don't offend me and you have made a lot of interesting points.
 
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If Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil, how could they have chosen to obey or disobey if they had no knowledge to knowingly and willfully choose to disobey? Before the fall Adam and Eve only could live in accordance to God's will. But after the fall it become possible to choose to disobey and not worship on our own accord

The Devil did not want to worship like many humans these days so he was kicked out of Heaven.
He started to question the equality between God and himself. He questioned God's authority.

Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High


Oh for Pete's sake, LUCIFER IS NOT SATAN! If you actually READ the rest of Isaiah 14, all of it, it refers to the King of Babylon. It was just a term meaning Morning Star.

You're cherrypicking and not actually reading.
 
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Oh for Pete's sake, LUCIFER IS NOT SATAN! If you actually READ the rest of Isaiah 14, all of it, it refers to the King of Babylon. It was just a term meaning Morning Star.

You're cherrypicking and not actually reading.

I know it talks about a human king, But..
Someone told me that the Devil was the face behind all these Kings claiming to be Divine. They were all minions of the Devil. So, Isaiah might at first refer to the tyrant King of Babylon, Lucifer but it actually shows the similarity between the Devil and the King; their roles.
 
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I know it talks about a human king, But..
Someone told me that the Devil was the face behind all these Kings claiming to be Divine. They were all minions of the Devil. So, Isaiah might at first refer to the tyrant King of Babylon, Lucifer but it actually shows the similarity between the Devil and the King; their roles.


The person who told you was misinformed. Probably did the same cherrypicking or heard the same thing and never looked into it. But the context makes it clear. It's a proverb against the king of Babylon who was cruel to his people and saw himself as greater, but he'd eventually fall from power and the people would look at him and say :

"16 Those who see you stare at you,
they ponder your fate:
“Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,
17 the man who made the world a wilderness,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?”

The only people who think Lucifer and Satan are the same are people who don't read the context, who cherrypick verses, and who just heard it from others and accept it based on hearsay.
 
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The person who told you was misinformed. Probably did the same cherrypicking or heard the same thing and never looked into it. But the context makes it clear. It's a proverb against the king of Babylon who was cruel to his people and saw himself as greater, but he'd eventually fall from power and the people would look at him and say :

"16 Those who see you stare at you,
they ponder your fate:
“Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,
17 the man who made the world a wilderness,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?”

The only people who think Lucifer and Satan are the same are people who don't read the context, who cherrypick verses, and who just heard it from others and accept it based on hearsay.

But that person is very knowledgeable about these things...
I guess, i'll find out myself. theology is interesting.
 
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If your assessment of why is true, then isn't God losing?

Mat. 7:13,14
13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

No God cannot lose.. It's like playing chess against a player who knows all your future moves, a player who knows your every thought you are ever going to think.. Beating God has never been possible.. You seem to think by the scripture quote that ""winning"" depends on how many people end up where? Maybe i am wrong with that impression.. But eternity is not a democracy where the winner is the one who gets the most human votes.. It's not determined by who ends up with the most humans with God or with satan..

Numbers are irrelevant if more people decide to spend eternity with satan then they will be eternal loser's with satan..
 
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You speak of things you know absolutely nothing about. You speak of a Personal Being, Almighty God, Whom you do not know, in a personal way. Therefore anything you might say is pointless, as you speak with ignorance!

Oh, believe me, I should know a thing or two of the things I speak about, I tried for close to 30 years as a believer to find this personal being, almighty god... so either does NOT exist or he exists and never cared about a single thing related to me ever, all of those years.
If he doesn't exist, then he is not at fault, duh, he doesn't exist.
But if he exists and he just completely ignored me for all those 30 years and doesn't care about a thing related to me, then there's your almighty god, all merciful god... sorry, not my fault.
 
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No God cannot lose.. It's like playing chess against a player who knows all your future moves, a player who knows your every thought you are ever going to think.. Beating God has never been possible.. You seem to think by the scripture quote that ""winning"" depends on how many people end up where? Maybe i am wrong with that impression.. But eternity is not a democracy where the winner is the one who gets the most human votes.. It's not determined by who ends up with the most humans with God or with satan..

Numbers are irrelevant if more people decide to spend eternity with satan then they will be eternal loser's with satan..
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Then this answer of yours doesn't make any more sense than your original post does.

It's really this simple.

Col 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

God, through Jesus, has already triumphed over everything called Evil
 
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I am intrigued by the idea that it is our humanity, in Jesus, that makes God fully God.
God would not be fully God, without the humanity of Jesus, including the passionate suffering of the Christ.

As admirable as an all powerful being of infinite goodness and infinite wisdom is, such a being who suffers with us is even more admirable. To transcend death and suffering is simply not as courageous and as brave as emerging triumphant from the experience of suffering and death.
It is like the Chinese tale of the lowly rock cutter and the mountain. The lowly rock cutter is greater, as the mountain is carved away into art that fills the palaces of the emperors.
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Philosophically speaking, that sounds pretty good.

But, can it also be understood, God was not fully God, until the Creation of man.
That it is only through His taking on of that humanity, which makes Him truly God?
 
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Philosophically speaking, that sounds pretty good.

But, can it also be understood, God was not fully God, until the Creation of man.
That it is only through His taking on of that humanity, which makes Him truly God?
Well, that is why the theology is worded such that Jesus is the eternally begotten son of God.
The humanity of God is inherent to the nature of God. This was revealed to us through the personhood of Jesus for our sake. For our sake did he came down and was incarnate.
Jesus himself is who God always has been. He is not only human, but eternally so.
Trinity is a very sophisticated term. But it is only through Trinity that we can come to grips with the oxymoronic truth that it is through weakness that God is great. "Those who are first will be last, and those who are last will be first" perfectly describes God too.
This is the kind of truth that has left many, such as the Jews and the Muslims, screaming out blasphemy. 'Cursed is he who hangs from a tree' describes a rejection of this understanding of who God is, and it is rational enough.
On the other hand, it is only through vulnerability and weakness, and being faced with overwhelming odds that heroism can even become possible. This is a truth that is not derived through logic, but through human experience. What any of us find most admirable about ourselves and about others are those who have the courage of their convictions, and take a stand, to lay down their lives for a friend even. This is what is the most admirable of all.
An understanding of who God is that does not recognize this form of greatness, is an understanding of God that is less than what may be imagined to be, and therefore ought to be rejected.
Everything on this earth follows from this recognition of the humanity of God, the humanity of the eternally begotten Son of God.
 
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Then this answer of yours doesn't make any more sense than your original post does.

It's really this simple.

Col 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

God, through Jesus, has already triumphed over everything called Evil

Those who are given to understand will understand...
 
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I am always here to help. You are right, the Holy Bible is the ONLY Way, as ONLY the Holy Bible is THE Word of Almighty God to the human race. If you are sincere, which I believe you are, then God WILL hear you and surely help you. I was once lost in sin, and then Jesus saved me! I pray that He hears your cry to Him and delivers you from your old life!

How do you know? The Bible was developed over centuries, taking ages to dicide which books were valid and which weren't, we only have four Gospels because a bishop liked the number 4, etc.

Saying "because the Bible says so" is circular reasoning. Any text can make a "this is true" claim.
 
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