Jesus is Jehovah's "holy servant"

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Absolutely not true. God was IN Yeshua;

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Messiah, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation.​
Yep the fullness of the God head...or was manifest in flesh so what i'm saying is absolutely true as confirmed in that verse.

God was in the body of JESUS...so God was JESUS.


2 Corinthians 5:19King James Version (KJV)

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


The fullness of the Godhead dwell in him bodily....
 
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Yep the fullness of the God head...or was manifest in flesh so what i'm saying is absolutely true as confirmed in that verse.

God was in the body of JESUS...so God was JESUS.


2 Corinthians 5:19King James Version (KJV)

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


The fullness of the Godhead dwell in him bodily....
God is in every believer through the indwelling Holy Spirit. Does that make every believer God? No. God was in Yeshua through the indwelling Holy Spirit. God was NOT Yeshua. God is Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH (Psalm 2:2, 7).
 
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God is in every believer through the indwelling Holy Spirit. Does that make every believer God? No. God was in Yeshua through the indwelling Holy Spirit. God was NOT Yeshua. God is Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH (Psalm 2:2, 7).

Good point and i'll help you out here.

The believer has the Spirit of God on the inside.


But JESUS had the fullness of the Godhead.

IN other words a person has a portion hence the lack of the word fullness while JESUS was the entirety of God manifest in flesh. It's also why those as a collective who are saved are refereed to as the body of christ.... we aren't considered multiple deities but as a collective the body with Christ being the head.

1 Corinthians 12:27King James Version (KJV)
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members
in particular.


Now here are some additional scriptures and I would like you to compare Isiah 61 of course in the OT the Spirit would just be upon individuals for a bit...so i'll post one referring to the Spirit when it's dwelling on the inside as well along with the Isiah verse, but anyway compare ISAIAH and the next verse with Colossians.


Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

Romans 8:9

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

Colossians 2:9King James Version (KJV)
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

King James Version (KJV)
 
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Good point and i'll help you out here.

The believer has the Spirit of God on the inside.


But JESUS had the fullness of the Godhead.

IN other words a person has a portion hence the lack of the word fullness while JESUS was the entirety of God manifest in flesh.

Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

Colossians 2:9King James Version (KJV)
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

King James Version (KJV)
It doesn't matter what measure of the Holy Spirit one has as far as whether or not it makes him God. The Father (one being/entity/person) poured His Holy Spirit into Yeshua (a different being/entity/person). All that means is that the Son had the full measure whereas we have a lesser measure. It does not make Yeshua God. Yeshua had more of God in him than others.

As for 1 Timothy 3:16, the earliest and best manuscripts do not have “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
 
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It doesn't matter what measure of the Holy Spirit one has as far as whether or not it makes him God. The Father (one being/entity/person) poured His Holy Spirit into Yeshua (a different being/entity/person). All that means is that the Son had the full measure whereas we have a lesser measure. It does not make Yeshua God. Yeshua had more of God in him than others.

As for 1 Timothy 3:16, the earliest and best manuscripts do not have “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
If you have the fullness of God that's the fullness of God it's not complicated. Also he refers to God the KJV translation just went ahead and put God there while the others did not
 
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It doesn't matter what measure of the Holy Spirit one has as far as whether or not it makes him God. The Father (one being/entity/person) poured His Holy Spirit into Yeshua (a different being/entity/person). All that means is that the Son had the full measure whereas we have a lesser measure. It does not make Yeshua God. Yeshua had more of God in him than others.

As for 1 Timothy 3:16, the earliest and best manuscripts do not have “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
If you have the fullness of a diety that makes you a diety... 100 always equals a whole
 
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If you have the fullness of a diety that makes you a diety... 100 always equals a whole
No, it does not. It makes the Deity living in you. If Yeshua was the Deity, he could not die.
 
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No, it does not. It makes the Deity living in you. If Yeshua was the Deity, he could not die.
A verse mentions him being Emmanual or God with us. Jesus was God in a human body. The flesh died but he rose again and met the disciples again.
 
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A verse mentions him being Emmanual or God with us. Jesus was God in a human body. The flesh died but he rose again and met the disciples again.
"Immanuel" means "El with us". That name is to be understood in the light of Acts 10:38; "How God anointed Yeshua of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God/El was with him." Not that Yeshua was El, but that El was with and in Yeshua. Since El was with and in Yeshua and Yeshua was with us, then El/God was with us. If you choose to use that logic, then consider the name Jehu. In Hebrew, this name means "He is Yah" or "Yah is He." Does that mean the man Jehu is, in reality, YHWH?
 
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"Immanuel" means "El with us". That name is to be understood in the light of Acts 10:38; "How God anointed Yeshua of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God/El was with him." Not that Yeshua was El, but that El was with and in Yeshua. Since El was with and in Yeshua and Yeshua was with us, then El/God was with us. If you choose to use that logic, then consider the name Jehu. In Hebrew, this name means "He is Yah" or "Yah is He." Does that mean the man Jehu is, in reality, YHWH?
GOd was above while manifest in flesh or in two places in once. Jesus is described as the image of God which stems from a Greek word that means the reflection or representation. So yes God as the father was with the manifestation of his thoughts (the word) as the son
 
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"Immanuel" means "El with us". That name is to be understood in the light of Acts 10:38; "How God anointed Yeshua of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God/El was with him." Not that Yeshua was El, but that El was with and in Yeshua. Since El was with and in Yeshua and Yeshua was with us, then El/God was with us. If you choose to use that logic, then consider the name Jehu. In Hebrew, this name means "He is Yah" or "Yah is He." Does that mean the man Jehu is, in reality, YHWH?
Gods omnipresent nature plays a big factor here people tend to underrate that factor
 
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"Immanuel" means "El with us". That name is to be understood in the light of Acts 10:38; "How God anointed Yeshua of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God/El was with him." Not that Yeshua was El, but that El was with and in Yeshua. Since El was with and in Yeshua and Yeshua was with us, then El/God was with us. If you choose to use that logic, then consider the name Jehu. In Hebrew, this name means "He is Yah" or "Yah is He." Does that mean the man Jehu is, in reality, YHWH?
Let me put it this way the cloud, bush, flame etc. was God manifesting himself in a way while in heaven at the same time. Jesus was simply a more personal and powerful manifestation because he's the word (thoughts of God) and the Fullness of the Spirit/power of God (Godhead) in flesh.
 
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The "servant" in Isaiah 42:1-7 is Messiah Yeshua in whom YHWH delights. The blind "servant" in Isaiah 42:17-25 who is idolatrous and prone to breaking YHWH's laws and who were the recipients of His anger is the nation of Israel.
Lol! Who's the servant in 41? Isaiah's songs name the servant time and again. Christians just elect to disregard the text in order to insert their own beliefs into the book. Kind of fits, so why not, eh?
 
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The Scriptures clearly state Jehovah/YHVH alone is God, alone is the Creator of the heavens, and the earth ..... and that Jesus is HIS servant;

Isaiah 42
42 Behold, My servant, whom I uphold; My chosen, in whom My soul delighteth: I have put My spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He will not cry, nor lift up his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed will he not break, and a dimly burning wick will he not quench: he will bring forth justice in truth. 4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set justice in the earth; and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God Jehovah, He that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; He that spread abroad the earth and that which cometh out of it; He that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thy hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison-house. 8 I am Jehovah, that is My name; and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise unto graven images.

Acts 4
24 And they, when they heard it, lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, Thou that didst make the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 who by the holy spirit, by the mouth of our father David thy servant, didst say,

Why did the Gentiles rage,
And the peoples imagine vain things?
26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array,
And the rulers were gathered together,
Against the Lord, and against His Anointed:

27 for of a truth in this city against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together, 28 to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy council foreordained to come to pass. 29 And now, Lord, look upon their threatenings: and grant unto Thy servants to speak thy word with all boldness, 30 while thou stretchest forth Thy hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Thy holy servant Jesus. 31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken wherein they were gathered together; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Jehovah is a made up name from the Tetragrammaton, YHWH. It could be Yahweh? The Jews did not pronounce it in fear of mispronouncing it correctly, so they used LORD, ADONAI. We know now that Jesus is Lord - and always has been!
Jehovah is a hybrid term (i.e., vowels from adonai were imported into the four Hebrew consonants) by the Masorites in the 16th century. The
procedure is employed in the construction of Yahweh, a term commonly used today in scholarly literature as a substitute for “Jehovah.”
If Jehovah is the correct name to be used, then Jesus is Jehovah.
He is the one who spoke to Moses when Moses asked Him, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?" God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.'" Exodus 3:13, 14
This was the introduction, a pre-cursor to Who GOD is and what His plan was that was to be fulfilled when He would enter our physical realm, empty himself into a child named Jesus, also known as Yeshua, the LORD, the Messiah, OUR SAVIOR, Immanuel.
Those two introductory words that express God's existence and being, only preface His identity until He would reveal Himself in the flesh. "I AM" is a clear reference to Jesus in the Old Testament. Jesus told us and showed us Who He was:
"I am the Bread which came down from heaven." John 6:41
"I am the Light of the World ..." John 8:12
"I am from above ..." John 8:23
" ... before Abraham was, I AM!" John 8:58
"I am the Door ..." John 10:9
"I am the Good Shepherd ..." John 10:11
"... I am the Way, the Truth and the Life ..." John 14:6
"I am the vine; you are the branches ..."John 15:5
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev.1:8

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." John 1:1
"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. ..." John 1:14
"For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were create by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." Col. 1:16, 17
["hold together" is also translated as "consist".]
 
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Let me put it this way the cloud, bush, flame etc. was God manifesting himself in a way while in heaven at the same time. Jesus was simply a more personal and powerful manifestation because he's the word (thoughts of God) and the Fullness of the Spirit/power of God (Godhead) in flesh.
Yeshua is not a manifestation of God. He is the Son of God. The Father created another being through a human female. The Gospel that we preach is that God sent His only begotten Son to save mankind. He did not send Himself. That is a false Gospel.
 
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Lol! Who's the servant in 41? Isaiah's songs name the servant time and again. Christians just elect to disregard the text in order to insert their own beliefs into the book. Kind of fits, so why not, eh?
The servant in Isaiah 41 is Israel. What you fail to understand is that Isaiah writes about two different servants; one disobedient that YHWH will not forsake in spite of their disobedience and the other who YHWH will use to save not only the disobedient servant, but all mankind that receives him.
 
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If Jehovah is the correct name to be used, then Jesus is Jehovah.
He is the one who spoke to Moses when Moses asked Him, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?" God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.'" Exodus 3:13, 14
This was the introduction, a pre-cursor to Who GOD is and what His plan was that was to be fulfilled when He would enter our physical realm, empty himself into a child named Jesus, also known as Yeshua, the LORD, the Messiah, OUR SAVIOR, Immanuel.
You neglected to quote the next two verses:

Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHWH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Exodus 3:16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, YHWH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:
What does Acts 3:13 say about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Yeshua; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.​

Yeshua is NOT the God of our fathers. He is the Son of the God of our fathers.

Those two introductory words that express God's existence and being, only preface His identity until He would reveal Himself in the flesh. "I AM" is a clear reference to Jesus in the Old Testament. Jesus told us and showed us Who He was:
"I am the Bread which came down from heaven." John 6:41
"I am the Light of the World ..." John 8:12
"I am from above ..." John 8:23
" ... before Abraham was, I AM!" John 8:58
"I am the Door ..." John 10:9
"I am the Good Shepherd ..." John 10:11
"... I am the Way, the Truth and the Life ..." John 14:6
"I am the vine; you are the branches ..."John 15:5
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev.1:8

I guess the great "I AM" manifested Himself as a blind man in John 9:9 as well;

Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am.(Greek = ego eimi)

Paul said, "I am (ego eimi) the apostle of the Gentiles" in Romans 11:13. Does that make him the great "I AM" of Exodus 3:14?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." John 1:1
"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. ..." John 1:14
You are reading the Son into the text just as the translators did. The "word/logos" is a thing, not a person. It refers to YHWH's spoken words and thoughts which were used to speak the Son into existence as a 100% flesh and blood human male.

"For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were create by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." Col. 1:16, 17
["hold together" is also translated as "consist".]
Another false translation by trinitarian translators. When personal bias is not added into the text it should be translated as several other versions have it;

Col 1:16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;​
 
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Yeshua is not a manifestation of God. He is the Son of God. The Father created another being through a human female. The Gospel that we preach is that God sent His only begotten Son to save mankind. He did not send Himself. That is a false Gospel.
The son is simply a title he has because he was manifested as a son of Mary just as cloud, flame etc. Son represents body. This is the true gospel. GOd manifest his Spirit (fullness of the Godhead) and his thoughts (the Word) into flesh.
 
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The son is simply a title he has because he was manifested as a son of Mary just as cloud, flame etc. Son represents body. This is the true gospel. GOd manifest his Spirit (fullness of the Godhead) and his thoughts (the Word) into flesh.
So he is the son of Mary, but not the Son of YHWH? Was YHWH trying to deceive us with words like Father and Son which normal humans would understand as two different beings when, in reality, the Father was really His own son?
 
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It's not my "spin" it's what the text of the Bible actually says. The Bible cannot contradict itself. When Jesus says "the Father and I are One" I will believe His word, tyvm.
Of course Jesus said "I and my Father are one". That's not being debated. What is debated is, what he meant. Jesus tells us CLEARLY ... he and his Father are one, exactly like the believers are one! (John 17:20-22)
The believers are not God!!
Jesus is not God.
 
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