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Since gays and lesbians are born with that status of a mind (psychologically),

there is no evidence that homosexuals are born this way.

you should treat them like you would treat any other person caught in sin, with love in leading them to repentance and faith.
 
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Actually the Earth is not round but slightly off which causes a wobble in orbit known as the precessionary wobble of the Great Circle that has changed the pole star over a 2,000 year cycle. The original pole star was Thuban in the constellation Draco, and has moved through Ursa Major, Ursa Minor (Polaris today) and is on a path towards Cepheus.

To categorically say that the Earth is not the center of the universe is also not provable. The universe is too large for us to know, and since we are inside the universe we have no objective way of actually knowing. Only God is outside the universe and knows for sure.

We think that because space travel has been mathematically calculated that heliocentrici model of the universe must be true, but the same results can be mathematically calculated with a geocentric model, too.

Personally I put more stock in the Bible than the theories of men.
This is a distinction without a difference. I said round not sphere.

No the mathematics don't work for a geocentric model. The sun would have to travel faster than the speed of light to rise every morning.

93x10^6x3.14/24/60=~202,000 miles per second...
 
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I personally don't support LGBT since God created man and woman for a reason. As I've learned lesbian and gay relationships are prohibited in Christianity. Since gays and lesbians are born with that status of a mind (psychologically), it seems it's impossible for them to attract themselves towards the opposite gender. I find that it's something like a disorder in them. It's not a Christian characteristic for us to reject/neglect them, or punish them for how they were born. So, what should we do to them?

Being homosexual is no different than living in any other transgression against God's perfect plan and will for us. I have known murderers who have been unrepentant for their actions, lechers the same, people addicted to anger, and many other kinds of sinners. Homosexuality is no different. Now, it is commonly said by some Christians that they were not born that way, but that is not what the Bible says about sin--we are all born sinners, so yes, they were indeed born that way. But they don't have to stay that way. Jesus can, and will, heal anyone who believes that he can. I have been healed of heinous natural inclinations. If I can be healed, anyone can.
 
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I am sorry for all you have been through. You know, honestly, you don't really need "Church people." Though good Churches have been wonderful, many people have found them cold and rejecting and also not true in their doctrines. You really need just the Savior. If people could help you, great.

But if not, HE is still there for you. (Even if people help you, it is through HIS power.) Focus on Him. The Bible says that if anyone asks for wisdom, the Father will give it freely, without finding fault, but we are not to waver. Seriously and sincerely ask for wisdom on what to do. Wait. Repeat as more areas needing wisdom come up. He WANTS to help you, but is waiting for you to truly turn to Him, from the HEART, as He is a Heart focused being.

Praying for you. Maybe also watch some You Tube vids on others who have gotten free, to build up your faith. Good for you that you are seeking understanding and, ultimately, freedom.
Unfortunately, the only hope in this is community. The way we experience the love of Christ is from the family of believers. When people reject this struggling with this it's difficult to break free.
 
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Being homosexual is no different than living in any other transgression against God's perfect plan and will for us. I have known murderers who have been unrepentant for their actions, lechers the same, people addicted to anger, and many other kinds of sinners. Homosexuality is no different. Now, it is commonly said by some Christians that they were not born that way, but that is not what the Bible says about sin--we are all born sinners, so yes, they were indeed born that way. But they don't have to stay that way. Jesus can, and will, heal anyone who believes that he can. I have been healed of heinous natural inclinations. If I can be healed, anyone can.

Yes, gay people are a LOT different than murders and lechers. It is offensive for you to say that they are. Great that you can be healed. I've been waiting for healing for over 25 years. I assume you thank god when you pray that your "are not like publicans and sinners"... you should probably look up that reference.
 
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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NASB)

Only one version uses that phrase. If you are thinking that people
in heaven have shown none of those symptoms of being in a sin
condition, then you are reading it wrong.
 
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Yes, gay people are a LOT different than murders and lechers. It is offensive for you to say that they are. Great that you can be healed. I've been waiting for healing for over 25 years. I assume you thank god when you pray that your "are not like publicans and sinners"... you should probably look up that reference.

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I certainly didn't choose to have SSA, It happened long before I had a choice in the matter. I wonder at time why didn't Christ protect me from molestation? Why does he and the church reject me? Why are christians so hateful about this? I'm just trying to get through life without sinning but get no help from my church or fellow believers. I have to pay out of pocket for help. It's getting up in the tens of thousands now...

First of all, what does SSA mean? Same Sex Attraction? Being molested does have a powerful impact on people. You are right that Christians are hateful, and that is wrong. We are to hate sin, but not the sinner, but frankly I have not ever met anyone who actually makes that separation.

I am not a homosexual but I had homosexual relations in my teen years. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area which is rife with homosexuals. As a teen I hitch hiked a lot and was frequently picked up by homosexuals of whom I allowed them to perform [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] upon me. I was not a Christian and did not become one until I was 32 years old. I had a very strong sex drive and was simply seeking sexual tension release. That foray into homosexuality was limited to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and lasted only for about 3 years. I was also fornicating with women whenever I could. I came to a decision that the sex drive is blind and will seek release any way it can. I had more joy with women than with men, so I gave up the practice and never returned to it.

But that amoral perverse lifestyle I had took decades of purging by the Spirit, and my cooperation with the Spirit, to get it out of my system after I became a Christian. It damaged my sexual relations with my wife (of whom I had met seven years after experiencing the new birth). In 25 years of marriage I can honestly say that there were only a few times that I actually made love to her in the way God wants us to do so, whereas the rest of the time it was my own selfish gratification using her as a sex object.

One point of deliverance for me came with the understanding of familial curses. God does not curse us, we curse ourselves and the laws of creation increase or decrease these curses by our choices. In my mother's side was a long line of Mormons who practiced polygamy. When I found this out as a Christian I realized that there were familial spirits enticing me into fornication. I renounced those ties to my life by declaring the blood of Jesus over my family's past and broke the foothold of those spirits in my life.

But our lives are much more complicated than just spiritual warfare. In one of my teen years hitchhiking I left my home in California and went to Oregon for two weeks. I knew my mother was going to sell the house sometime and move, but I did not think she would do that when I was gone. I came home at 4 AM and found the house empty. I broke in a window to get inside and there was no note or any indication of where she went. My parents had been divorced for 6 years so I called my father who had married the woman he had an affair with. I found my mother that way.

Years later when I became a Christian I told a sister in the Lord about this event. She was stunned and said I must have felt totally rejected by my mother. It never occurred to me that I felt that way. She encouraged me to pray with my pastor who told me to fast for 24 hours first, then see him. After fasting as I was going to see him, the Lord spoke clearly to me and said, "I make those things that are not as though they are" which is a rephrasing of Romans 4:17. I never had a chance to pray with the pastor, nor hear his counsel. Instead I began to sob violently. The next day someone insulted me, but the sense of rejection that used to tear my guts apart felt only like a slap on the face.

I know my story is long, but bear with one more, please. After we married, I wanted to have children. My wife wanted to wait a few years first to see how the marriage went. We married when I was 38 and she was 36 (we are now 64 and 62). I knew delay in having children increased the odds against having children, but I relinquished my insistence. As it turned out, she had many fibroids develop and had to have a hysterectomy. My chance at being a father was taken away from me. I was angry with both her and God. It caused several years of turmoil in our marriage and my descending into inappropriate contentography as a fantasy of having children with another wife. I knew that being married to her was God's will since He told me directly to marry her. So divorce was not an option. I had to figure this out. First, I realized that the Bible declares that the will of God is for children to be born, so what happened was not caused by God. Second, nor was it my wife's fault. Even when when I was masturbating, I was aware of the love of God in my life and he worked me through my despair to a place of acceptance. I told my wife that we needed to start over by pretending we were strangers and begin by speaking civilly with each other.

What got me through that crisis was standing on the Word of God. God does not create evil. He does not make people perverse (I was a pervert). He heals and he restores. But neither does God do these things automatically. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the honor of kings to search it out. If we seek the Lord with all our hearts we shall find him. Those verses show that He waits for us to reach whole-heartedly out to him.

SSAChristian, you have my compassion. I have been there and done that. Counselors are not the answer. Seeking God with your whole heart is. In my opinion, too many Christians are sound byte Christians who do not seek God with their whole heart. Instead they live on regurgitated doctrines and principals without truly knowing the character of God. Disregard Christians and seek Jesus only. Your struggles matter to him, but he gives us responsibilities and does not usurp them. The gifts and the callings of God are without repentance. Do assume that the troubles of your life come from him. You need to believe that He did not make you that way, but other factors did. However, He is there to help you be the man that He wants you to be. But you need to seek him, not the church or counselors. If you seek him he may or may not work through the church or counselors, but you need to know what He is doing for you and not be distracted by the tools he may use.
 
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This is a distinction without a difference. I said round not sphere.

No the mathematics don't work for a geocentric model. The sun would have to travel faster than the speed of light to rise every morning.

93x10^6x3.14/24/60=~202,000 miles per second...
It's not really an argument I intend to defend. Just made the point that what the world says doesn't mean it is completely true.
 
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I am not a homosexual but I had homosexual relations in my teen years. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area which is rife with homosexuals. As a teen I hitch hiked a lot and was frequently picked up by homosexuals of whom I allowed them to perform [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] upon me. I was not a Christian and did not become one until I was 32 years old. I had a very strong sex drive and was simply seeking sexual tension release. That foray into homosexuality was limited to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and lasted only for about 3 years. I was also fornicating with women whenever I could. I came to a decision that the sex drive is blind and will seek release any way it can. I had more joy with women than with men, so I gave up the practice and never returned to it.

But that amoral perverse lifestyle I had took decades of purging by the Spirit, and my cooperation with the Spirit, to get it out of my system after I became a Christian. It damaged my sexual relations with my wife (of whom I had met seven years after experiencing the new birth).

Your story reinforces my analysis that promiscuity
is the evil that God wishes people to avoid.
 
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To categorically say that the Earth is not the center of the universe is also not provable.

Becasue every point in the cosmos is moving away from every other,
all points inside can be considered at the center, including you and the earth.
 
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I'm just going to give you some of my story. Hopefully, you will have a little more compassion for those afflicted. I've gotten to to the point that I don't know why I even try to live right. We are to pick up our crosses daily and follow Jesus, but the church is the Roman soldiers the whip us along the way. How dare you, knowing the grace you've received from Christ stand in judgement of others.

My stepfather abused me when I was 4 by smearing my soiled underwear in my face. Some of it got in my mouth. Then dressed me in diapers, teased me and took photos. I found the photos at age 12 that my mothe hid. So she knew about it...

I remember takings showers with him, his penis in my mouth and I remember thinking that I never wanted my penis to look like that. I didn't want one at all!

My step bother molested me several times at age 7 (he was 13) until my mother found out. Um, no doctors visit or therapy.

I knew I was attracted to boys trough my teens. My parents made it clear if we were going to be f@&&#ts then don't ever come home. I got save at 19 I knew that God would heal me. I've been to exgay therapy, 12 step groups, back in exgay therapy (even though it's illegal in many states and proven not to work). I've been hospitalized for suicide. Think about suicide everyday. Some days I get close to doing it. Yes I have a plan...
 
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I'm just going to give you some of my story. Hopefully, you will have a little more compassion for those afflicted. I've gotten to to the point that I don't know why I even try to live right. We are to pick up our crosses daily and follow Jesus, but the church is the Roman soldiers the whip us along the way. How dare you, knowing the grace you've received from Christ stand in judgement of others.

My stepfather abused me when I was 4 by smearing my soiled underwear in my face. Some of it got in my mouth. Then dressed me in diapers, teased me and took photos. I found the photos at age 12 that my mothe hid. So she knew about it...

I remember takings showers with him, his penis in my mouth and I remember thinking that I never wanted my penis to look like that. I didn't want one at all!

My step bother molested me several times at age 7 (he was 13) until my mother found out. Um, no doctors visit or therapy.

I knew I was attracted to boys trough my teens. My parents made it clear if we were going to be f@&&#ts then don't ever come home. I got save at 19 I knew that God would heal me. I've been to exgay therapy, 12 step groups, back in exgay therapy (even though it's illegal in many states and proven not to work). I've been hospitalized for suicide. Think about suicide everyday. Some days I get close to doing it. Yes I have a plan...

I am so sorry to read your story. It breaks my heart. Selfishness is the heart of iniquity.

One thing that is different between you and me is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Shortly after believing that Jesus was God in the flesh and I saw my need for salvation, I was also baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. I came to Christ in an Assemblies of God congregation that believes in the gifts of the Spirit. Your profile says you are a Baptist. In general, Baptists don't believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I have spent many years in Baptist congregations, and out of respect for their point of view, never made an issue on this. One hindrance to Baptist belief is the assumption that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was only for the Early Church. Another is the verbiage of charismatics that imply that they don't have the Holy Spirit, which, of course, is not true. You have to have the Holy Spirit through the new birth before you can have the baptism of the Spirit, so most Baptists I have known are also born again. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a release of the Spirit through you whereas the new birth is a containment of the Holy Spirit within you. The practical experience of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is an increased awareness of God and faith in Him.

The element of tongues is what seems to be the biggest stumbling block for most Baptists. Frankly I think it is a distraction. I have known some Baptists that did not speak in tongues and I am convinced they still had the baptism of the Holy Spirit by the intensity of their faith and sensitivity to Christ. We all need focal points for our faith. I think speaking in tongues becomes such a focal point wherein we have to consciously act to speak in tongues. And I believe there is great benefit in having the Holy Spirit pray on our behalf through tongues, but it is not necessary. I encourage you to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit from the Lord.

Forgive me if I sound like a charismatic soap box. That is not my intention. My intention is to encourage you to press deeper into Christ and this is one of the more important ways of pressing in. Remember, Jesus told the disciples not to leave Jerusalem until they had received the power from on high. They already had the new birth. Jesus breathed on them and said receive the Holy Spirit in John 21. The power came 10 days after his ascension.
 
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I personally don't support LGBT since God created man and woman for a reason. As I've learned lesbian and gay relationships are prohibited in Christianity. Since gays and lesbians are born with that status of a mind (psychologically), it seems it's impossible for them to attract themselves towards the opposite gender. I find that it's something like a disorder in them. It's not a Christian characteristic for us to reject/neglect them, or punish them for how they were born. So, what should we do to them?
It's not a disorder, it's a sinful choice they are making based on obsessions of lust. See Romans one.
 
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I personally don't support LGBT since God created man and woman for a reason. As I've learned lesbian and gay relationships are prohibited in Christianity. Since gays and lesbians are born with that status of a mind (psychologically), it seems it's impossible for them to attract themselves towards the opposite gender. I find that it's something like a disorder in them. It's not a Christian characteristic for us to reject/neglect them, or punish them for how they were born. So, what should we do to them?

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

I think the only thing we can do is try to love them, and not hate them, Gods the only law giver and judge.

I agree with you it's not our job to punish them.
 
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