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Adultery and remarriage is not the issue at hand.
I don't know why your trying to blend them as a means of justifying homosexuality. It's not a case of me reading the scriptures wrong, it you bending them to suit your own beliefs.

I "believe" that gay people will not change their orientation
any more than you will change your orientation.

I will think of and treat every one of my gay neighbors
exactly as I would wish them to think of and treat me.
I hope you can forgive my efforts to follow far more strategic scriptures.

Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree:
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 19:19 Honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.'
Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, …
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; You shall …
James 2:8-16 If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall …
 
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As I've learned lesbian and gay relationships are prohibited in Christianity.
Just in some churches. Everyone is encouraged to put their
faith in Jesus and not in the whims of society.
 
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So what your saying is God is unjust in condemning homosexuals because he made them that way?

What I see in our society today is the corruption of innocent minds from an ever younger age. Children who should be innocent until their teens lose their innocence before even starting school. I think this is why your wife sees "gay" toddlers.

I don't wanna go off the thread, but the statement you made is so true, and it's like we are sleeping on the fact that there is an bigger agenda with the LGBTQ+ community. Not necessarily each person, but those who are the leaders of it. I'm noticing that there is a lot of push to legalize forcing people to buy into whatever agenda they are having, to normalize all sexual immorality.Neutrality of gender is being thought policed, inappropriate behavior with animals is being normalized, pedophilia is starting to become a talk, and zoophilia as well. The community has already set up a successful blueprint with the LGBT for all other sexual immoralities to steep in through introduction of it in media, politics, education, and by silencing the voice of the parents and those that oppose it.

Notice that children are now starting to get more say about the drastic decisions about their body at an early age. Its typical for people already to say that they always felt they were gay or lesbian, or trapped in this body from a young age. They are being fed ideals about sexuality in the schools. They are being encouraged to participate in events that exposes them to these ideas. At this point, it not a far fetch idea that children do know what sex is, and have impression that it ought to be explore however they feel, and those oppose should be policed and punished. Call me crazy, but the consent needed for kids at some point, is gonna be challenged. Again the blueprint for success is already there for them, they just need the right administration to pass it.Sin strengthen by law.Innocence will become obsolete.They will no longer need innocence, because being guilty wouldn't exist.

Woe unto them who have children in these days (Matthew 24:19)
 
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I "believe" that gay people will not change their orientation
any more than you will change your orientation.

I will think of and treat every one of my gay neighbors
exactly as I would wish them to think of and treat me.
I hope you can forgive my efforts to follow far more strategic scriptures.

Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree:
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 19:19 Honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.'
Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, …
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; You shall …
James 2:8-16 If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall …

Loving our neighbours (homosexuals included) as ourselves is not the issue at hand as you very well know. We all know we should. Your going off on a tangent about loving them because you haven't got the scripture to back your pro-homosexual beliefs up.

The beliefs you hold on this subject are contrary to the word of God.
 
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Loving our neighbours (homosexuals included) as ourselves is not the issue at hand as you very well know. We all know we should. Your going off on a tangent about loving them because you haven't got the scripture to back your pro-homosexual beliefs up.
The beliefs you hold on this subject are contrary to the word of God.

Becasue I have lived is a very gay neighborhood for 15 years, the neighbor passages
impact my thoughts differently from you. They show me that you are distracted from what is important.
36 Bible Verses about the Neighbor - DailyVerses.net
30 Bible verses about Enemies Of God - Knowing Jesus

 
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I personally don't support LGBT since God created man and woman for a reason. As I've learned lesbian and gay relationships are prohibited in Christianity. Since gays and lesbians are born with that status of a mind (psychologically), it seems it's impossible for them to attract themselves towards the opposite gender. I find that it's something like a disorder in them. It's not a Christian characteristic for us to reject/neglect them, or punish them for how they were born. So, what should we do to them?
It won't be long before this thread is closed.
 
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I don't wanna go off the thread, but the statement you made is so true, and it's like we are sleeping on the fact that there is an bigger agenda with the LGBTQ+ community. Not necessarily each person, but those who are the leaders of it. I'm noticing that there is a lot of push to legalize forcing people to buy into whatever agenda they are having, to normalize all sexual immorality.Neutrality of gender is being thought policed, inappropriate behavior with animals is being normalized, pedophilia is starting to become a talk, and zoophilia as well. The community has already set up a successful blueprint with the LGBT for all other sexual immoralities to steep in through introduction of it in media, politics, education, and by silencing the voice of the parents and those that oppose it.

Notice that children are now starting to get more say about the drastic decisions about their body at an early age. Its typical for people already to say that they always felt they were gay or lesbian, or trapped in this body from a young age. They are being fed ideals about sexuality in the schools. They are being encouraged to participate in events that exposes them to these ideas. At this point, it not a far fetch idea that children do know what sex is, and have impression that it ought to be explore however they feel, and those oppose should be policed and punished. Call me crazy, but the consent needed for kids at some point, is gonna be challenged. Again the blueprint for success is already there for them, they just need the right administration to pass it.Sin strengthen by law.Innocence will become obsolete.They will no longer need innocence, because being guilty wouldn't exist.

Woe unto them who have children in these days (Matthew 24:19)

We see on the news today, little children wanting sex changes. This homosexual debate in society is now over, homosexuals have won the day and now there is no end in sight on this slippery slope. As you have correctly said, it has lead to all kinds of sexual immorality being made acceptable. A race to the bottom "if it makes you happy what can be wrong with it?" is the mind-set of most in our society today.

Polygamy and incest is also on the cards.

The moral fabric of society is truly broken. These are the last days where right will be wrong, and wrong will be right.

God bless.
 
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Your going off on a tangent about loving them because you haven't got the scripture to back your pro-homosexual beliefs up.

Tangent? Impossible. You're just not reading.

Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree:"Love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 19:19 Honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.'
Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, …
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; You shall …
James 2:8-16 If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall …
 
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This homosexual debate in society is now over, homosexuals have won the day and now there is no end in sight on this slippery slope.

I used to think this way for 20 years. Being in gay neighborhood
I discovered something stunning....there is no "slippery slope."
In reality, the police squad cars and ambulances stop in our neighborhood
and not at the homes of the gay couples.
There are big issues out there impacting society and sexual orientation is
not one of them resulting in death or crimes against humanity.
That particular slippery slope is a myth. Drugs and alcohol are the slippery slopes.
Lack of job opportunity is a slippery slope for parents of poor kids.
 
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Adultery and remarriage is not the issue at hand.
I don't know why your trying to blend them as a means of justifying homosexuality. It's not a case of me reading the scriptures wrong, it you bending them to suit your own beliefs.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 clearly states homosexuality as immoral behaviour that leads to Hell. You can't sugar coat that even if you tried.

homosexuality is not even in there.
 
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 clearly states homosexuality as immoral behaviour that leads to Hell. You can't sugar coat that even if you tried.

The word is not even in there. And that passage is referring to symptoms of sin.
People who have done all those things are forgiven if they ask God to forgive their sins.
So people with all those symptoms will still be in heaven if they have faith.

What is the solution?

Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree:"Love your neighbor as yourself."

I'm not makin this stuff up.
 
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I'm sorry but that excuse that they are born that way is a nonsense.
And you KNOW this, how? By using logic about something you don't have experience with. But regardless of hormones in the mothers womb, born that way, nurturing or environment sexual attraction seems to be set around age 3. Which would be before the individual has a choice in the matter...
 
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If I understand you correctly, animal behaviour is the standard your setting the human race by. Your saying we can behave like animals?

Strawman argument. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's still a strawman. It's true that animals do engage in behavior like cannibalism that we are above. But what I'm saying is that some people say that homosexuality is a "willing sin against God that is unnatural" (when again, only acts were condemned in the Bible, never attraction), and while that may be the case if it didn't occur in nature, but it does. Therefore, homosexuality is "natural" by the basic definition. Just as carnivores eating other animals.

We're different from the animals. At the beginning, God made us in his own likeness as crown over his creation. Our standard to live by is not that of animals, nor is it the standard of this world. Our standard is Christ.

What does it mean though to be "created in God's image?" It can't be physically because before Jesus, God had no human incarnate form. It can't be empathy because animals have that. It can't be reason because animals have that? Intellect? Animals have it. So what exactly makes us more "created in God's image"?

And yet many do not show the love of Christ—ironically most of such "non-Christ behavior" has been from Christians in my experience. To say nothing of the Vatican and such. Hypocritical, if you ask me.

The original writer referred to homosexual relationships to which I also refer. I agree the temptation can be there and if we don't act on it then good. But not only should it not be acted on the thoughts should not be entertained. 2 Corinthians 10:5

You could then say the same about heterosexual people who develop crushes on anyone after they learn what sexuality is. If you go with the "temptations are there" argument than shouldn't anyone be prevented from being around anyone who havey have a crush on because "temptations" might be there?

The potter and the clay analogy is what it is. I can't help if you dislike it.


It's an analogy that needs to be abandoned because it's a flawed one.
 
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Adultery and remarriage is not the issue at hand.
I don't know why your trying to blend them as a means of justifying homosexuality. It's not a case of me reading the scriptures wrong, it you bending them to suit your own beliefs.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 clearly states homosexuality as immoral behaviour that leads to Hell. You can't sugar coat that even if you tried.

Again, homosexual ACTS. Not ATTRACTION.
 
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And to preach the gospel to them.
Assuming you want them to preach to you, then that is allowed.
Otherwise, it is forbidden.

You may not do to others
what you would not want
them to do to you.
 
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And you KNOW this, how? By using logic about something you don't have experience with. But regardless of hormones in the mothers womb, born that way, nurturing or environment sexual attraction seems to be set around age 3. Which would be before the individual has a choice in the matter...

Agreed. I knew what my sexual orientation was at age 5, long before I knew what sexual orientation or sex even WAS (I had a lot of fictional crushes as a kid. Also I'm straight, for the record).
 
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