What does "except there come a falling away first" in 2 Thess. 2:3 mean?

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This passage has been the subject of much controversy, as to whether this speaks of a period of great "apostasy", or whether it refers to the "departure", or "Rapture" of the Church.

I believe the KJV phrase "falling away", in 2 Thess. 2:3, refers to the "departure", or "Rapture" of the Church.

The KJV English phrase "falling away", in 2 Thess. 2:3, is the one Greek word "apostasia", and its basic meaning is to "depart from" or "go away".

The Greek word "Apostasia" is a compound of two Greek words: "Apo" = "to move away", "stasis" means "standing or state", or "to stand".

Literally, from its basic definition, "apostasia" means "to go away from", or "depart", or "change state or standing from one state to another".

"Apostasia" was used in extra Biblical Greek literature to describe political revolt, or a "going away from the establishment" and in the Septuagint, or Greek Old Testament, when the Jews would "go away" from God to worship other gods.

"Apostasia" is only used one other time in the New Testament, in Acts 21:21 to describe "forsaking", or "going away from" the teachings of Moses.

"Apostasion", the noun form, appears in Matt 5:31, & 19:7, and Mark 10:4 where it describes a "writing of divorcement", or "papers that separate". (Again, so someone can go away).

"Apostasia" literally then means "to depart, or go away from", and to "go away from what" must be determined from the context.

So, what is the "context" of both the First and Second Epistle to the Church at Thessalonica? The sole subject and context of both epistles is the "Rapture", or "Departure" of the Church, or "the called out ones," and advice to the Church while we await the Return of Christ for the Church. The Second letter to the Church at Thessalonica appears to have been written by Paul to clear up misunderstandings about his First Letter. (2 Thess. 2:1-5)

The Greek word "apostasia" in 2 Thess. 2:3 also has the Greek article "the" in front of it, in the Greek text, which makes it, not a general "going away", or "departure", but "The Departure", a special EVENT, that the reader is expected to already know about.

In other words, the use of the article "the" with "apostasia" in 2 Thess. 2:3 indicates that Paul expects the Thessalonian Christians to already understand that this is the title of an event, and he expects them to already know what it means.

Had the Apostle Paul already taught the Thessalonians about an "EVENT" that could be described as a "departure", or "going away"? Absolutely, yes.

Paul had already taught the Thessalonian Church about the EVENT, of the Catching Away and "Departure" of the Church in 1 Thess 4:13-18.

In 2 Thess 2:5, Paul says don’t you remember? When I was with you I taught you about these things?

I don't see where Paul taught them at all about "a falling away from the truth" in his first letter, but he taught them about the Rapture of the church in at least five passages in 1st Thessalonians:

1. 1 Thess 1:10 "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead,[even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."

2. 1 Thess 2:19 "For what [is] our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? [Are] not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?"

3. 1 Thess 3:13 "To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints."

4. 1 Thess 4:13 - 5:10:

Verse 13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Chapter 5

Verse 1 But of the times and the seasons (dispensations), brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord (Tribulation and Second Advent) so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape.

4 But YE, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake YOU as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, (The Tribulation is God's Wrath upon the earth) but to obtain salvation (Greek "sodzo" or "safety") by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
5. 1 Thess 5:23 " And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Also, in Paul's second letter to the Thessalonian Church, in 2 Thess. 2:2, we find that someone had apparently written a letter to the Thessalonian Church saying that the "Day of Christ", the Rapture, was past, in other words, they had missed it, and now they were in the "Day of the Lord", or seven year Tribulation.

In 2 Thess 2:1-5, Paul is proving that they have not missed the Rapture and were now in the Tribulation, but that the Rapture is still future. Paul says:

1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (the Rapture of the Church).

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (Rapture of the Church) is at hand. ("at hand" is a Greek "perfect tense" verb, meaning the Rapture has already happened and is in the past - that would mean they missed the Rapture and are now in the Tribulation).

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come] (this phrase is not in the Greek, but is added by the translators. The Greek "ean may" = "that cannot happen"), except there come a falling away first, (THE Departure of the Church, first) and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (and Antichrist revealed).

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

In the above verses, Paul tells them "that cannot happen", TWO things must occur before the "day of the Lord", or 7 year Tribulation, arrives, #1 "THE departure" first, and #2 "that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition".

So, I believe Paul proves to the Church at Thessalonica that they are not in the "Tribulation", as someone had written them, because the Seven Year Tribulation cannot begin until the "Rapture" of the Church occurs and the "man of sin", the "Antichrist" is revealed.

If Paul had been referring to a "general falling away from the truth", it would have "proved" nothing to the Church at Thessalonica, because there was "apostasy" at the time, and there have been, and will continue to be great periods of falling away from the truth throughout the Church Age.

Every reference, that I find, to the "catching away" of the living saints, is described as "imminent", and can happen at any moment - there is no prophesy to be fulfilled before the Rapture can occur.

Think about it, if the "falling away" Paul refers to is a distinct period of "apostasy", of "falling away from the truth", and the world has now been through the "Dark Ages", when Christians were persecuted and Bibles were burned, then Paul would mean "THE period of falling from the truth" that is worse and more defined than the Dark Ages - and it would still be in the future, and the Rapture could not occur until it comes! That does not fit God's revealed plan for earth and mankind.

To me, "The Departure" of 2 Thess 2:3 is the exact opposite of "falling away" from God’s truth. This is in a context of the "Rapture of the Church", the "day of Christ", the Day when Jesus will return, in the air, below the highest mountain top, and catch the Church (all the born again Christians in the world) up into the air, and take them to the Third Heaven.

In 2 Thess 2:5, Paul says don’t you remember when I was with you I taught you about these things? - and the subject of Paul's First Letter is "The Departure of the Church", from this earth to our Father in heaven, according to Jesus promises to us in Jn.14:1-4 and 28.

By: Bob Jones


So the word has the core meaning of departure and it depends upon the context to determine whether it is used to mean physical departure or an abstract departure such as departure from the faith.

Translation History

The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) .[5] This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' " [6] Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of " departure" in 1611 A.D.?

Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No good reason was ever given.


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Added to this is - "and the man of sin be revealed". This passage to my mind,is speaking of the great shaking that is to occur in Christendom. Not all who call themselves Christians are Christians. Some are wolves in sheep's clothing not living up to the expectations of the word of GOD. It is fair to say that we see that happening now. Even in my church I see many people who ought to know and do what GOD has enjoined are falling away and following fables and clever and seductive philosophies of satan.

GOD wants a clean and a pure church, and many of us as Christians are neither pure nor clean. We are just cumberers of the ground, using valuable real estate to which we are not entitled, and we will be forced to vacate to make way for those who are sincere seekers of truth.

Many church organisations have gone directly against the commands of GOD to do as they please. There is cowardly ecumenism instead of standing for the truth delivered to the early apostles. There is immorality is practised even in the churches called by GOD'S name. Ministers and people are doing insidious and abominable things and are seeking for GOD to accept their sinful lifestyles. There is rampant sin and worldliness of every kind that GOD has to deal with before the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds of heaven.

The man of sin is the papacy which has been giving drink to the kings of the earth and those people who will not do the will of GOD. The church of Rome is a church of deceit, lies, and all manner of evil. The doctrine of that organisation is called wine - the wine of Babylon which makes people drunk and unaware of the requirements of GOD.

The falling away is the insincere and ungodly who will be forced out from among the sincere people of GOD just as JESUS had to force Judas from His presence so He could continue the Last Supper with His true disciples. They will have to make a decision, and since they are not inclined to serve GOD the decision will be to leave His people. This will not be a happy time neither for GOD nor their sincere brethren. But things will come to a head. Those remaining will be made clean and purified and will be prepared for the coming of the LORD.
 
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And where may I ask did you obtain qualificatios to teach the Bible?
Your logic is the epitome of fuzziness. Dr. Thomas Ice has reported the translation history of 2 Thess.2:3 to be a DEPARTURE of the Church, which was precisely what Paul was teaching, in 1 Thess.4:13-18 and 2 Thess.2:1-8, for the first 14 centuries of its origin. It was altered in the 17th century, changing the meaning of the vese, to the Church FALLING AWAY for the next 4 centuries.
Yada, yada to Tom Ice and his teachings. He also teaches that we will be sacrificing the blood of bulls and goats for atonement in a future third temple.

Excuse me Mr. Ice but you can have your blood of bulls and goats, that is a common thing. I'll stay with my Lord's blood which is not a common thing.
 
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According to the Scriptures, he will be revealed in Dan.9:27, when He confirms a seven year covenant with many.
Daniel 9 does not say anything about an anti-Christ making a seven year covenant with anyone.
It does however, predict the destruction of the Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans in AD 70.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
 
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Daniel 9 does not say anything about an anti-Christ making a seven year covenant with anyone.
It does however, predict the destruction of the Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans in AD 70.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Hank, I don't think anyone here would disagree with you that Daniel 9:26 does apply to the Romans destruction of the temple in 70AD.

But I think you referred to the wrong verse in the New Testament. Not Matthew 24:15-16, which is end times because the AoD in Daniel 12 is end times, but Luke 21:20-24.

Regarding the Antichrist making a seven year covenant. It is not making a seven year covenant. It is confirming the covenant with many for 7 years.

What that is referring to is a requirement by Moses that all future leaders of Israel confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle. Basically what it will be is a big speech from the temple mount that God gave the children of Israel the land of Israel as theirs forever.

The tie to it being the Antichrist who will do it, Moses made it incumbent on the leadership to make the speech. And the "many" in Daniel 9:27, is that the speech has to be made to assembly of Israel, that is, to the nation.

The Antichrist will be the leader of Israel, being in the position of King of Israel.
 
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But I think you referred to the wrong verse in the New Testament. Not Matthew 24:15-16, which is end times because the AoD in Daniel 12 is end times, but Luke 21:20-24.
I'd like to be able to agree but I don't. Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 are all referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
 
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I'd like to be able to agree but I don't. Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 are all referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
Hank, if you backtrack through the verses in Luke 21, to the first couple of verses you will see Jesus was speaking in the temple; at least some of the disciples were present (have to backtrack into Luke 20). What I think happened was that as they left the temple area to spend the night on the Mt. of Olives, which is the location of Matthew 24, the disciples that weren''t there at the temple when Luke 21 was taking place, were talking along the walk to the Mt. Olives, with them who were there.

So, when they got to the Mt. Olives, they wanted to hear from Jesus himself, and hence the opening questions in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 contains additional material to Luke 21, including reference to the abomination of desolation.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 
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Yada, yada to Tom Ice and his teachings. He also teaches that we will be sacrificing the blood of bulls and goats for atonement in a future third temple.

Excuse me Mr. Ice but you can have your blood of bulls and goats, that is a common thing. I'll stay with my Lord's blood which is not a common thing.

According to the NIV 1st Century Study Bible,

2:3 Man of lawlessness. This concept (see also vv. 4, 9) is rooted in particular Old Testament images of a king who exalts himself as divine (see Isa 14:13–14, Eze 28:2, Da 6:7). An eschatological wicked king or leader, like the Old Testament figures, was an anticipated concept in Jewish thought before Paul’s writings. For example, an eschatological evil king features prominently in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it seems likely that such a figure influenced the notion of an “anti-Christ” in the New Testament.

In its proper 1st century AD context, the term (apparently) refers to a self-proclaimed "god king", down on planet earth, who will claim to have "Cosmic inter-galactic powers over the whole fabric of space-time", for the purpose of breaking, dominating, & subjugating the population of people upon this planet. The usual proof of such humbling & humiliating dominance is to practice human sacrifice, to the "god-king's own personal glory", as some accuse emperor Hadrian of doing to St. Eustace in 118 AD, and emperor Heliogabalus again more widely a century later -- burning humans alive in Canaanite / Phoenician / Carthaginian style brazen bull furnaces:

MolechSacrificeAltar.JPG


Effectively the same "religious" motif is worldwide, effectively a common global world "religion". Cp. Wicker Man resurrected in the modern Burning Man Festival for "Belus", Aztecs terrorizing central Americans in Mexico for "Tlaloc the God of the sky & heaven", sacrificing humans into the foundations of buildings across Canaan, the Middle East, and southern Asia as far as the Pacific. Judging only by "core fundamentals" (sacrificing humans on earth for perceived god(s) in the sky & heaven inspirationally incarnated into human 'god-kings' on earth) and not judging by superficial "covers of books", it basically is / has been a one-world-wide "religion" for millennia.

In the End Time (Rev 20:7-9) it is (apparently perhaps) scheduled to rise to (more obviously unified) predominance over the planet & its population globally.

"All hail [some string of powerful sounding alien sounds] incarnated onto planet earth, sacrifice human terrestrials, sacrifice them, slaughter & slay on earth, slaughter & slay, slaughter & slay on earth... do it do it do it's a good idea seriously seriously go go go..."
 
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According to the NIV 1st Century Study Bible,

2:3 Man of lawlessness. This concept (see also vv. 4, 9) is rooted in particular Old Testament images of a king who exalts himself as divine (see Isa 14:13–14, Eze 28:2, Da 6:7). An eschatological wicked king or leader, like the Old Testament figures, was an anticipated concept in Jewish thought before Paul’s writings. For example, an eschatological evil king features prominently in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it seems likely that such a figure influenced the notion of an “anti-Christ” in the New Testament.

In its proper 1st century AD context, the term (apparently) refers to a self-proclaimed "god king", down on planet earth, who will claim to have "Cosmic inter-galactic powers over the whole fabric of space-time", for the purpose of breaking, dominating, & subjugating the population of people upon this planet. The usual proof of such humbling & humiliating dominance is to practice human sacrifice, to the "god-king's own personal glory", as some accuse emperor Hadrian of doing to St. Eustace in 118 AD, and emperor Heliogabalus again more widely a century later -- burning humans alive in Canaanite / Phoenician / Carthaginian style brazen bull furnaces:

MolechSacrificeAltar.JPG


Effectively the same "religious" motif is worldwide, effectively a common global world "religion". Cp. Wicker Man resurrected in the modern Burning Man Festival for "Belus", Aztecs terrorizing central Americans in Mexico for "Tlaloc the God of the sky & heaven", sacrificing humans into the foundations of buildings across Canaan, the Middle East, and southern Asia as far as the Pacific. Judging only by "core fundamentals" (sacrificing humans on earth for perceived god(s) in the sky & heaven inspirationally incarnated into human 'god-kings' on earth) and not judging by superficial "covers of books", it basically is / has been a one-world-wide "religion" for millennia.

In the End Time (Rev 20:7-9) it is (apparently perhaps) scheduled to rise to (more obviously unified) predominance over the planet & its population globally.

"All hail [some string of powerful sounding alien sounds] incarnated onto planet earth, sacrifice human terrestrials, sacrifice them, slaughter & slay on earth, slaughter & slay, slaughter & slay on earth... do it do it do it's a good idea seriously seriously go go go..."
Erik what men do at times is insane. I don't even like to think about it.
 
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