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It depends on whether that person wants my opinion about it.
They might be telling me just to let me know what is happening with them and they might not be wanting a lecture about it. I would keep my mouth shut and basically wish them well.


Fairly certain Jesus gave people the truth if they wanted it or not. Anything else is compromise and is really based in fear. Fear of what people will think of "me". Now if you or someone is going around telling everyone what they are doing wrong when you are in rebellion yourself that makes you a hypocrite. BTW - biblical judgement came with a sentence, like stoning. This is not about judging between error and truth, which is what we are told do do. We are also told to judge what happens in the church specifically, We are to, not the "pastor" exclusively, or a "board" but the church body.
 
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So often, do I hear "don't judge" and " I'm a believer, but I'm not like one of those judgemental ones" and "Pharisee" and all the noise. Basically, Christians being notorious for being judgemental. But I always felt like the issue is more with "condemning" and not "judging".It's just used so ambiguously, that any stance that's against a person's action can be called out as being "judgemental".

Out of all the scriptures, that's been brought up concerning it, I can never ignore the scripture that says for us to not judge by mere appearances, but to judge righteous judgment (John 7:24).

So I always ask God, what does it mean to judge and how do I judge righteously? Even if I use the scripture, how do I distinguish when I'm trying to be nice for the sake of being favored by men, or when I'm condemning based on surface information? How not to compromise the Word when dealing with day to day life?

So let have a dialogue about it.What's your view on this topic? Do you also struggle with this? How did you, or do you address it in your Christian walk?

I've had the same thought patterns as you Mskriskris. To help myself I contemplated a lot and came to the conclusion that making a comment about the actions of someone is not judging them. I am simply commenting on the actions. If Emot tells a lie
So often, do I hear "don't judge" and " I'm a believer, but I'm not like one of those judgemental ones" and "Pharisee" and all the noise. Basically, Christians being notorious for being judgemental. But I always felt like the issue is more with "condemning" and not "judging".It's just used so ambiguously, that any stance that's against a person's action can be called out as being "judgemental".

Out of all the scriptures, that's been brought up concerning it, I can never ignore the scripture that says for us to not judge by mere appearances, but to judge righteous judgment (John 7:24).

So I always ask God, what does it mean to judge and how do I judge righteously? Even if I use the scripture, how do I distinguish when I'm trying to be nice for the sake of being favored by men, or when I'm condemning based on surface information? How not to compromise the Word when dealing with day to day life?

So let have a dialogue about it.What's your view on this topic? Do you also struggle with this? How did you, or do you address it in your Christian walk?

Sometimes what we call judging is not judging at all. If Emot tells a lie and I say that Emot lied that is not judging him. I am simply saying he lied. If I say that Emot is going to hell because he told that lie then I have judged him. Of course, this is just one aspect of judging.
 
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Fairly certain Jesus gave people the truth if they wanted it or not. Anything else is compromise and is really based in fear. Fear of what people will think of "me". Now if you or someone is going around telling everyone what they are doing wrong when you are in rebellion yourself that makes you a hypocrite. BTW - biblical judgement came with a sentence, like stoning. This is not about judging between error and truth, which is what we are told do do. We are also told to judge what happens in the church specifically, We are to, not the "pastor" exclusively, or a "board" but the church body.
It is important to note that everything we do has to be in conjunction with the fruit of the Spirit. This means that if we see something in someone that needs correction, we need to be kind, gentle and self controlled in the way we approach them. Also, the scripture tells us to correct people with humility and sensitivity.

The trouble is in a lot of church situations, correction is done without kindness and gentleness, with a lack of patience and self-control, and much harm has resulted. I don't see this type of correction is motivated by The Holy Spirit in any shape or form. So you might not care what people think about you if you went and corrected another person on the basis of "law" and used the New Testament equivalent of "stoning", but God will be disappointed in you for not doing it in accordance with the fruit of the Spirit and as a true representative of Christ. In fact, He may the the first one to brand you as a viper and a hypocrite in the same way Jesus branded the hypocritical Pharisees.

The gift of the Word of Knowledge has been widely misused in churches because when a person has received a word of knowledge about a sin in another, they have gone to that person, many times in public, and said (for example), "God has shown me that you are committing the sin of masturbation and you need to repent!" It was most probable that the word of knowledge was for the person receiving it so they could intercede, and then ask for a Word of Wisdom about whether to approach the other person, and if so, what is the best way.
There is the example of a pastor getting a Word of Knowledge in an altar call about a man who was having an affair with another woman. Instead of saying it directly, he was prompted by The Spirit to say, "God wants to enhance your ministry by increasing the bond of love you have for your wife." At that the man broke down and confessed about his affair, and he was effectively dealt with. Another pastor had a word of knowledge about a member who was addicted to inappropriate content. Instead of saying, "God wants to break you of your addiction to inappropriate content" in front of everyone, he said, "God wants to make you entirely clean." At that the man started weeping and told the pastor that he was addicted to inappropriate content and that his constant prayer was, "Lord make me clean."

You see, harshly correcting people on the basis of law without considering how to correct another in the context of the fruit of Spirit, can harm your future in ministry, because if you are considered for a pastoral role in the church, those who have the job of selecting team members may get a word from God not to employ you because He does not support the way you correct people, in that you are doing them more harm than good. Therefore, if you think you are being passed over for ministry responsibility in your church, then you might consider that being one of the important reasons why.
 
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Did Jesus judge? Did Paul judge? Does the Bible say, we "must walk as Jesus did?" Did Paul write, "anything you have seen in me or heard in me, put into practice?" Yes and amen.

I think we would have to be very foolish to assume that Jesus intended, strictly, that we must never judge our fellow man. Indeed, in the current generation more than any other, we lack sufficient application of judgment of others. The whole society, besides the church, rejects it, in such a way perhaps, as to protect their sin (which tendency Paul takes great care to warn against, albeit within the church).

And remember, the complexity of the Hebrew tongue necessitates that we usually miss the complete meaning of the original thought, when we receive the word by letter, which might answer a telling question. It might answer what the Bible means when it says, "the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." I think it means, if we go strictly by what's written, in this case, "do not judge," we will meet with failure, and ultimately with death. Jesus handled the Scripture quite differently than the majority of those "qualified," and those "unqualifed," to teach. So did Paul and the other Apostles.
 
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It is important to note that everything we do has to be in conjunction with the fruit of the Spirit. This means that if we see something in someone that needs correction, we need to be kind, gentle and self controlled in the way we approach them. Also, the scripture tells us to correct people with humility and sensitivity.

The trouble is in a lot of church situations, correction is done without kindness and gentleness, with a lack of patience and self-control, and much harm has resulted. I don't see this type of correction is motivated by The Holy Spirit in any shape or form. So you might not care what people think about you if you went and corrected another person on the basis of "law" and used the New Testament equivalent of "stoning", but God will be disappointed in you for not doing it in accordance with the fruit of the Spirit and as a true representative of Christ. In fact, He may the the first one to brand you as a viper and a hypocrite in the same way Jesus branded the hypocritical Pharisees.

The gift of the Word of Knowledge has been widely misused in churches because when a person has received a word of knowledge about a sin in another, they have gone to that person, many times in public, and said (for example), "God has shown me that you are committing the sin of masturbation and you need to repent!" It was most probable that the word of knowledge was for the person receiving it so they could intercede, and then ask for a Word of Wisdom about whether to approach the other person, and if so, what is the best way.
There is the example of a pastor getting a Word of Knowledge in an altar call about a man who was having an affair with another woman. Instead of saying it directly, he was prompted by The Spirit to say, "God wants to enhance your ministry by increasing the bond of love you have for your wife." At that the man broke down and confessed about his affair, and he was effectively dealt with. Another pastor had a word of knowledge about a member who was addicted to inappropriate content. Instead of saying, "God wants to break you of your addiction to inappropriate content" in front of everyone, he said, "God wants to make you entirely clean." At that the man started weeping and told the pastor that he was addicted to inappropriate content and that his constant prayer was, "Lord make me clean."

You see, harshly correcting people on the basis of law without considering how to correct another in the context of the fruit of Spirit, can harm your future in ministry, because if you are considered for a pastoral role in the church, those who have the job of selecting team members may get a word from God not to employ you because He does not support the way you correct people, in that you are doing them more harm than good. Therefore, if you think you are being passed over for ministry responsibility in your church, then you might consider that being one of the important reasons why.


Thank you for your feedback. I was not suggesting anything is done harshly or not in love.
 
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Jesus had a right to judge certain aspects of life and people that you and I do not. Jesus was very judgmental toward the Jewish religious establishment of Israel, but he seldom if ever directly pointed out the sins of others or came across judgmental to them as far as I know.

I agree. So, have we determined the "kind of judgment" we're permitting and censoring, because clearly, the bounds of one kind are different from the other. Are we talking about allowing and forbidding the "pointing-kind" of judgment or "qualitative" judgment?
 
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Matthew 7:1 is often taken out of context because the next thing Jesus said was to take the plank out of our own eye so that we can see clearly to take the speck out of our brother's eye. In other words, we should be more concerned with judging our own actions than the actions of others and should not judge others for things that we are guilty of doing because the same standard that we use will be used against us, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't judge at all because there are many verse like John 7:24 that can't be obeyed without judging righteously. Another example is Galatians 6:1, where we are told to gently correct those who are caught in sin and we can't do that if we're not allowed to judge that someone is sinning. A big part of judging righteously is having the humility to be judged by others for the faults that we do not see. We are not to judge people because we think that we are better than them or in order to bring them down, but because we love them enough to want to see them improve. And if we love others the way that we want to be loved, then we need to learn to not be defensive when our brother or sister is judging us, but to consider whether what they say has any merit.
Judge yourself first, before judging another, then judging another, being careful to consider your own judgment in judging another...?

Would that lead to truly judging righteously...?

God Bless!
 
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Judge yourself first, before judging another, then judging another, being careful to consider your own judgment in judging another...?

Would that lead to truly judging righteously...?

God Bless!
To "check" yourself, or keep yourself "in check", first and in all matters, judging, weighing, evaluating yourself first, in all matters, especially judging...
 
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Judge yourself first, before judging another, then judging another, being careful to consider your own judgment in judging another...?

Would that lead to truly judging righteously...?

God Bless!
Not being timid or shrinking back in fear about this, saying, well, I just won't ever judge at all, sometimes you have to, sometimes your called to, and we would do good to prepared as we can be for those moments, in the fear of the Lord, and "consider our own judgement in judging them" so to speak, cause not speaking out against wrong sometimes, is an error in righteous judgement also, and is actually a sin, just to very mindful of our judgment in judging them...

God Bless!
 
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Maybe you are right, Hal A Peno(1 Corinthians 4:5).

Yet judging "the matter" or the issue will necessarily involve the individual. Judging the matter is a mandate. I agree that keeping those judgments in mind and heart might be the intent, and not "passing judgment," or letting ourselves be compelled to offer an unrequested opinion.
 
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When someone says "You know where I'm coming from man", or something like that, they want to know if you understand by knowing "where they're coming from"...?

Well, everyone is so unique, that when anyone asks another person this question, the only response can be "No, I don't, not really...?" (if were being completely honest), Nor can they really fully know "where your coming from" either... Everyone's path; the sum of all of everyone's or someone's specific experiences are so very unique, that no one really knows where anyones coming from, not really, not specifically, not exactly, maybe similar or like, but still not error free, colored by our experiences, thoughts, emotions, ever felt or experienced, so very specific, there is that problem with judging error free or truly righteously...

God Bless!
 
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When someone says "You know where I'm coming from man", or something like that, they want to know if you understand by knowing "where they're coming from"...?

Well, everyone is so unique, that when anyone asks another person this question, the only response can be "No, I don't, not really...?" (if were being completely honest), Nor can they really fully know "where your coming from" either... Everyone's path; the sum of all of everyone's or someone's specific experiences are so very unique, that no one really knows where anyones coming from, not really, not specifically, not exactly, maybe similar or like, but still not error free, colored by our experiences, thoughts, emotions, ever felt or experienced, so very specific, there is that problem with judging error free or truly righteously...

God Bless!

And, we don't fully even know "where were coming from" ourselves most of the time even, which can be very confusing, not being fully conscious of the sum total of all of even thoughts, feelings and emotions, of the sum total of the entirety of our (each individual) experience(s)...

It takes someone who does know where your coming from to let you, at least, maybe able to know (that), one day maybe...

God Bless!
 
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>>>>>"Scripture doesn't say, "if you love someone, call out their sins." Actually quite the opposite. It says, "love covers a multitude of sins."

This can be translated in modern terms to, "love makes excuses for people's sins; even justifies them." Sounds a bit like Jesus' love, right?

Remember when Noah finally got off the ark, got wicked drunk & passed out naked?

His son who "called him out," publicly shamed him, or just told the truth "because he loved him" wasn't blessed, while his other son who covered him up with a blanket & let him sleep it off was blessed.

The world will know that we are Christians by our love, not our right or wrong doctrine. If only we could mercifully love others as Christ so mercifully loved & loves us."~Jory Micah
 
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The difference between and action and a person. Judging an action vs. judging a person. Very different,
Lets suppose "posting" is a sin.
So you doing the posting is different from you doing the thinking?
I can tell, warn you, that you will go to hell for posting, but you won't take that personally?
 
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Scripture doesn't say, "if you love someone, call out their sins."

There are some few passages about chewing out other church members.
It says to report them to the elders and gang up on the sinner.
In so many words.
 
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