Is The Bible The Word Of God? God never asks us to believe or trust Him w/o evidence.

JIMINZ · Sep 1, 2017

CrystalDragon said:
How can we be sure of that? As I said before, "because it says so" is circular reasoning.

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You don't believe the Bible?

dqhall · Sep 1, 2017

CObondservant said:
Is The Bible The Word Of God?

Is The Bible The Bible The Word of God?

2 Tim 3:16. 2 Peter 1:20. 1 Thess. 2700 times it claims it is! About twice per page. But claiming isn't proving. 9 books in the world make the same claim. "By faith" isn't good enough. God has never asked us to believe w/o evidence.

EVIDENCE. written over 1500 years. 40 writers 66 perfectly accurately. Geography. Archeology.

SCIENTIFIC FOREKNOWLEDGE. a. The life of the flesh is in the blood. (Geo Washington’s bleeding to death example). All OT prescriptions are accurate.

All peoples around Israel were killing their patients, but the Jews were not dying in their hospitals like their neighbors. But the Jews were doing something very different than their enemies. Skip fwd to 1840’s ...look up Dr Semmelweis and Labor Fever *Puerperal Fever (Childbed Fever), and Dr Koletschka and the passing of germs from the dead in autopsies to live patients in 1840s. In Numbers 19:11-12 in 1450 bc Moses wrote about WASHING with the "water of purification.". . “And the priest shall take cedar wood, and hyssop, and scarlet, and cast it into the midst of the burning of the heifer.” Made from Red pepper, cedar, hyssop which makes lye. Cedar is bactericidal. Scarlet wool made u wash repeatedly and removes the germs from your ridges in your hands.

THE PERFECT RECIPE OF SOAP IN 1450 BC! Burning to make ashes to be thrown in the water makes Lye too. Thymol in Listerine is lye. How could anyone have known about this FOUR THOUSAND YEARS AGO? Yet God told Moses how to make it.

There's more too. It's incredible.
Scientific Foreknowledge and Medical Acumen of the Bible

People washed their hands with soap. The water they shared may have been polluted with cholera. Mosquitoes passed malaria to people in Galilee until the 20th century.

Paul was critical of the law as the law alone was not sufficient for salvation. There is evidence of an omnipotent God in the Bible. What hidden glory might be found from reading those pages? The wicked use the book to justify their wickedness.

The first oil lamp was made long before the Bible was written. Writing was not invented until about 5,000 years ago. God gave counsel in the night after the lamp light was extinguished and people were still and silent.

Psalm 16 (WEB)
5 Yahweh assigned my portion and my cup. You made my lot secure.
6 The lines have fallen to me in pleasant places. Yes, I have a good inheritance.
7 I will bless Yahweh, who has given me counsel. Yes, my heart instructs me in the night...

ViaCrucis · Sep 1, 2017

CObondservant said:
We can see the bible too. Does that mean we're not blessed now then?

1) The passage doesn't say St. Thomas isn't blessed for believing; it simply says that those who believe without the benefit which Thomas had are blessed.

2) These are not comparable.

-CryptoLutheran

SAAchristian757 · Sep 1, 2017

I'm sorry but I don't think the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible is scripture.

Jesus is the Word of God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
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14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Another circular logic. IF the Bible is the Word of God, then the Bible says that Jesus is the Word of God.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken— 36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

I'm curious where this doctrine comes from... probably the late 1800's

Blade · Sep 1, 2017

I know I haver heard and I HAVE wondered. Now..no reason to lie.. i have nothing to gain or lose.. more to lose by saying. There have been times when I ask about something and He tells me gives me a verse or do you remember when Daniel said. Now. He seems (I know why) to have to make sure I know its written. My point is.. there have been times.. I have NEVER read that book and dont know that verse. Yet HE goes to it as if it IS HIS WORD.

So like Jesus did.. just quoted some guy named David.. those words put a fallen angel in his place. So.. for me I take it by faith. And so far.. that word ALWAYS works. When I doubt it.. nothing happens...for me. Yes yes yes.. its hard to grasp a bunch of guys got together by GOD and put the books HE wanted into one book

I know a man.. Jewish man..where GOD was talking to him.. Said.. about HIS book. The Jewish man said.. I never heard of this "bible".. on and on. These things .. some you take with a grain of salt but.. I have seen to much to not believe

hedrick · Sep 2, 2017

There are plenty of references in Scripture to the word of God. But the ones I've seen don't refer to the book as a whole, but to specific messages from God. Often they're recorded in the Bible. But often it simply refers to them. E.g. 1 Thes 2:13 refers to Paul teaching people the word of God, but doesn't actually record what he taught. Similarly Ps 119:105. (Ironically, I found these citations on a page claiming to list places where the Bible refers to itself as the Word of God. The other quotations aren't much better.)

SAAchristian757 · Sep 2, 2017

hedrick said:
There are plenty of references in Scripture to the word of God. But the ones I've seen don't refer to the book as a whole, but to specific messages from God. Often they're recorded in the Bible. But often it simply refers to them. E.g. 1 Thes 2:13 refers to Paul teaching people the word of God, but doesn't actually record what he taught. Similarly Ps 119:105. (Ironically, I found these citations on a page claiming to list places where the Bible refers to itself as the Word of God. The other quotations aren't much better.)

PS 119:105, What is David talking about? As you know he was a Prophet. Was he talking about the 10 commandments, which are the words of God recorded in scripture? Was he talking prophetically about the coming Christ?

1 Thes 2:3, this does not sound like Paul gave them a Bible. It sounds like he presented the gospel of Christ.

hedrick · Sep 2, 2017

SAAchristian757 said:
PS 119:105, What is David talking about? As you know he was a Prophet. Was he talking about the 10 commandments, which are the words of God recorded in scripture? Was he talking prophetically about the coming Christ?

It seems to be all of God's revelations. But the point is that there's no particular reason to think it was a reference to Scripture as a whole.

One suggestion is that at least part of the reference was to the Torah, but vs 89 certainly includes creation.

SAAchristian757 · Sep 2, 2017

hedrick said:
It seems to be all of God's revelations. But the point is that there's no particular reason to think it was a reference to Scripture as a whole.

One suggestion is that at least part of the reference was to the Torah, but vs 89 certainly includes creation.

Oops, I can't read... I misread your post.

dysert · Sep 2, 2017

CObondservant said:
God has never asked us to believe w/o evidence.

(Blind post)

I disagree. God quite often asks us to believe w/o evidence. After all,
faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For example, He promised us a home in heaven some day, but there's no evidence that such a place exists. We take His promises about the afterlife on faith, i.e., w/o evidence. Ditto for prophecy.

Mafeking · Sep 2, 2017

CObondservant said:
Is The Bible The Word Of God?

Is The Bible The Bible The Word of God?

2 Tim 3:16. 2 Peter 1:20. 1 Thess. 2700 times it claims it is! About twice per page. But claiming isn't proving. 9 books in the world make the same claim. "By faith" isn't good enough. God has never asked us to believe w/o evidence.

EVIDENCE. written over 1500 years. 40 writers 66 perfectly accurately. Geography. Archeology.

SCIENTIFIC FOREKNOWLEDGE. a. The life of the flesh is in the blood. (Geo Washington’s bleeding to death example). All OT prescriptions are accurate.

All peoples around Israel were killing their patients, but the Jews were not dying in their hospitals like their neighbors. But the Jews were doing something very different than their enemies. Skip fwd to 1840’s ...look up Dr Semmelweis and Labor Fever *Puerperal Fever (Childbed Fever), and Dr Koletschka and the passing of germs from the dead in autopsies to live patients in 1840s. In Numbers 19:11-12 in 1450 bc Moses wrote about WASHING with the "water of purification.". . “And the priest shall take cedar wood, and hyssop, and scarlet, and cast it into the midst of the burning of the heifer.” Made from Red pepper, cedar, hyssop which makes lye. Cedar is bactericidal. Scarlet wool made u wash repeatedly and removes the germs from your ridges in your hands.

THE PERFECT RECIPE OF SOAP IN 1450 BC! Burning to make ashes to be thrown in the water makes Lye too. Thymol in Listerine is lye. How could anyone have known about this FOUR THOUSAND YEARS AGO? Yet God told Moses how to make it.

There's more too. It's incredible.
Scientific Foreknowledge and Medical Acumen of the Bible

Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness. I believe the Bible to be the word of GOD. Such is my personal conclusion. Others do not need to feel the same way as I do. I will not let them nor their opinions influence me. As well, they have the right to believe as they choose.

CrystalDragon · Sep 2, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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You don't believe the Bible?

There's a multitude of problems I find with it. In its content, history, and people twisting content.

JIMINZ · Sep 2, 2017

CrystalDragon said:
There's a multitude of problems I find with it. In its content, history, and people twisting content.

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I can understand that, owing to all of the teaching you have received on it.

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