Why does God allow so much suffering?

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I am really struggling to answer this question. It can't be just be about free will. Natural disasters, accidents and diseases are the cause of many deaths each day. Dying without having a choice sounds like the opposite of free will to me.
Well, for one, Some things needed to get into heaven, can only be attained or learned through suffering first... Until such time that they are learned, then the suffering can be done away with...

God Bless!
 
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“For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:17-18‬ ‭ESV‬‬
In Jobs case, it was a friendly wager with Satan that turned Jobs world upside down...
 
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In Jobs case, it was a friendly wager with Satan that turned Jobs world upside down...
Not a friendly wager, but Satan challenging God's justice before all...

God seeing way ahead, agreeing to let Job be sifted as wheat by him (Satan) through the first three companions of his, knowing Job would be OK, in the end, and would get doubly blessed, getting back absolutely everything he lost and then some, in the end, and would "know God" by the end of it, much better and much more fully, as would many angelic (spirit) onlookers...

God Bless!
 
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I am really struggling to answer this question. It can't be just be about free will. Natural disasters, accidents and diseases are the cause of many deaths each day. Dying without having a choice sounds like the opposite of free will to me.

Markusss..sorry..your not going to get one answer. You will have some that know suffering is from God and its some test by God based on what they see. They suffered or family has. Then you will have those that know God does not allow His children to suffer.

What we say.. what we do what we read and watch and hear.. what we eat..on and on. The way this world is right now.. was NEVER Gods plan. This is what happens when you take God out and let sin in. Just MAN thinks GOD should go against our will and do something. He didnt for Adam and Eve.. He didnt for Cain that killed his brother.. on and on. God DID make a way out EVERY time.

See there is SO much of what GOD is doing.. we cant see. And when this is ALL over.. we will see for He will NOT be judged..meaning.. NO ONE will ever say He didnt try He didnt do.. HE DID HE DOES HE WILL!

But please understand.. if our baby..or family is hurting we do.. well ALL are His creation.. so AMP that up by BILLIONS all on GOD. Then to give you your free choice.. SO many times He trys to show us the way out but.. its not what we want.. its LOOKS to hard.. but we do it our way. He always gets blamed..

As if Satan did nothing. As if Satan does only what GOD says. I know I know..yet.. again.. God ALLOW wanted let happen Satan temping Adam and Eve? Cain? Did GOD even know about it? But God knows all huh? Yet.. God that knows all had to ask Adam. What? Who said you were naked? God didnt know? Who said? Cain.. wheres your brother? God didnt know? Talks to Abraham.. I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.". You read that right?

My point is.. no matter what we see hear read watch think feel. We keep our eyes on Him. I dont care what it is.. we stay true to His word. No matter how dark it is or gets.. we KNOW HE WILL come through for us. Hey.. I can give you a list of DAD MOM.. on and on that died of CANCER..but GOD had no hand in it. Or my 4y.. where right in the worst.. I told my Father.. I will NEVER blame you.. right then he came back.. on and on. I know my Father and what HE DID.

Yet.. this is why are are to PRAY.. for those..that NO ONE is. So the Father can act.. For.. like salvation.. you have to ask..you have to believe.. its YOUR choice. And we know..with out faith we can never please Him
 
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Not a friendly wager, but Satan challenging God's justice before all...

God seeing way ahead, agreeing to let Job be sifted as wheat by him (Satan) through the first three companions of his, knowing Job would be OK, in the end, and would get doubly blessed, getting back absolutely everything he lost and then some, in the end, and would "know God" by the end of it, much better and much more fully, as would many angelic (spirit) onlookers...

God Bless!
Good points! But I think Job is just a parable...
 
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Though He may slay me, yet will I trust in Him.

Blind trust in all circumstances.
I didn't say I agreed with that. Seems to be a way to keep people in a faith even when it fails them.
 
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I didn't say I agreed with that. Seems to be a way to keep people in a faith even when it fails them.
If I was going to write a story about my suffering that seems to have no reason, I would definitely not attribute it to sin. I could impress everyone who doubted my goodness by making the suffering linked to a cosmic purpose. That I suffered so that God could win a disagreement with Satan. I fought the good fight and did not waver; even though everyone doubted me.
 
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I didn't say I agreed with that. Seems to be a way to keep people in a faith even when it fails them.
Yes, it can, sometimes it has to blind trust, other times not so blind trust...

God Bless!
 
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If I was going to write a story about my suffering that seems to have no reason, I would definitely not attribute it to sin. I could impress everyone who doubted my goodness by making the suffering linked to a cosmic purpose. That I suffered so that God could win a disagreement with Satan. I fought the good fight and did not waver; even though everyone doubted me.
Some of mine, is because of my sin maybe though, but not all of it...

God Bless!
 
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If I was going to write a story about my suffering that seems to have no reason, I would definitely not attribute it to sin. I could impress everyone who doubted my goodness by making the suffering linked to a cosmic purpose. That I suffered so that God could win a disagreement with Satan. I fought the good fight and did not waver; even though everyone doubted me.
Is that what Jesus did...?
 
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Is that what Jesus did...?
No, He is God. He was the Cosmic Purpose!

I think the Book of Job seems too convenient to have in the Bible. I mean who wrote it? Job? Then there is no way he could know the wager. It was manufactured...

Doesn't mean that it's not scripture..
 
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No, He is God. He was the Cosmic Purpose!

I think the Book of Job seems too convenient to have in the Bible. I mean who wrote it? Job? Then there is no way he could know the wager. It was manufactured...

Doesn't mean that it's not scripture..
It is generally believed Moses wrote it, and he could have known about such matters and could have even known of a man, possibly named Job, who went through such an experience... But Moses knew of the spirit(s) involved in such... And wrote the book for us...

It is the first "poetic" book of the Bible though, and poetic books are heavy on symbolism and metaphor, and understanding the symbolism and metaphor is the key to knowing and discerning and knowing and understanding things spiritually, I believe...

We don't know all that Moses knew or had spiritual insight into or on or about...

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I am really struggling to answer this question. It can't be just be about free will. Natural disasters, accidents and diseases are the cause of many deaths each day. Dying without having a choice sounds like the opposite of free will to me.

Always a good question, Markuss. I knew a South Korean American Air Force pilot who was once a christian but left God and became an atheist because he couldn't fathom why there is so much unanswered suffering.

Job and his three friends used to think that the answer to your question was simple: "Righteous people are blessed; evil people suffer." But when Job began to suffer for no reason, he was forced to re-think his original beliefs. He began to ask questions and make statements that most people can't satisfactorily answer or contradict today such as here: "The dying groan in the city and the souls of the wounded cry out, yet God charges no one with wrongdoing" (Job 24:12). What Job is saying there is that so many people suffer needlessly and die unnecessarily but that God doesn't frown on or condemn or bring to justice those who harmed them or/and those who stood by and watched and did nothing while they suffered or died. Job isn't too sure that God is fair and just because of needless (not godly) suffering.

You mentioned things like natural disasters and diseases that have nothing to do with freewill and so can't be answered with the freewill argument. One of those, a hurricane, just tore through Texas. The Bible gives answers for those; for example, many natural disasters are caused by the sin, iniquity, and ungodliness on earth in general which affects nature and our environment. In 2Chron. 7:14, God says that when His people repent and live righteously, then the very land around them will also benefit with healing; and Paul more clearly reveals in Rom. 8:19-23 that all these earthquakes, hurricanes, and natural disasters are all a result of the Fall (ie. sin) and that as believers walk in the Spirit as mature sons, the healing away of their sin (replaced with righteousness) will also affect "the Creation" all around us, effecting healing for nature and our environment as well. A healed Creation doesn't heave and toss and wretch and cry as it is with natural disasters (because nature is alive and can therefore feel and be affected by what is good as well as what is evil). And so many other answers to the question of suffering are in the Bible; but most of them have to be revealed by the Holy Spirit as we ourselves study and investigate them and ask God to reveal these answers to us. I hope that's been helpful.
 
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I don't think that's a good enough answer. We don't know for absolute certain what happens when we die. And if hell exists then that's eternal punishment, not glory. And the way heaven is often portrayed makes it seem like we lose who we are and just want to worship God.
If you don't know of a certainty what happens when you die... Then why claim the title of a Christian in light of the fact the first step in being one is that you “believe“
 
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Two things to add:

We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. -- Romans 8


He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. -- Mark 16

This verse of Mark is interesting because the Greek words and grammar actually denote all creation, not just all people in the world.
Thanks for pointing that out. I did not know that.
 
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Just trying to understand the question a bit more.
Would it be safe to reword this question as, "Why isn't God making my life as easy as possible?"
Muscles are not strengthened without effort. When everything is extremely easy, no effort is made. God wants us to have strong wills, contrary to popular understanding. In Isaiah it says that he (Jesus) set his face like flint (referring to the cross) in Isaiah 50:7. He wants us to have strong wills in choosing righteousness over selfishness.
 
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