Anybody seen this new video about Revelation 12 sign?

Apostle John did not look at the stars and then described it in the Book of Revelation. It was a vision. I guess its just the hoax like Mayan doomsday calendar 2012.

Amazing Horse said:

Explaining it very deep , any thoughts about it ?

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Its Astrology brother.

I wouldn't put it in the same camp as astrology. That is self worship that comes from altering what God put in the stars.

Genesis 1:14 (NKJV) Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

Psalms 19:1-3 (NKJV) The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.
2 Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.

Job 9:8-9 (NKJV) He alone spreads out the heavens,
And treads on the waves of the sea;
9 He made the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades,
And the chambers of the south;

Job 38:31-33 (NKJV) Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?
32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?

The Great Bear is the constellation cluster of Ursa Major. "ordinance of the heavens" has in view appointed times.

The word "seasons" is from the Hebrew "moedim" or appointed times. Same word used in Leviticus 23 regarding the Feast days. The entire plan of God is laid out in the Mazzoroth, or what the secular world would call the Zodiac. Satan just perverted the mazzoroth into some Babylonian based zodiac astrology thing.

Whether this line up in the constellation Virgo is something significant as far as bible prophecy in general or Revelation 12 in particular, we can only guess. One thing for certain, it is a lineup that hasn't occurred for 7000 years according to those that have worked thru it on Stellarium and other astronomical programs. Scott Clarke has done a lot of extensive analysis on this and you can find several videos he has posted on YouTube and Vimeo. Take as look at his presentation to the Watchmen Prophecy Conference. He does not do the date setting thing, he just outlines what he has observed in all of this. Makes a strong case.

Frankly, I think there is something there, but I am still looking into it more. When combined with the lunar eclipse tetrad, or Blood Moons, that occurred on Passover and Feast of Tabernacles for two consecutive years, 2014 and 2015, and now this September 23 alignment in Virgo that matches Revelation 12, something is going on. And I sure don't believe in coincidences.

Luke 21:28 (NKJV) Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

Yeshua held those accountable for knowing the times and seasons of His first coming, it is not a stretch that we should have a grasp on the times and seasons of His second.

Here. Posted up the presentation given by Clarke at the conference. Before dismissing out of hand, look at it and come to your own conclusion. Keep in mind...

Proverbs 18:13 (NKJV) He who answers a matter before he hears it,
It is folly and shame to him.

Like a dog chasing its tail, the date setters continue to embarrass the modern Church.

October 22, 1844

1914

1988

Blood Moons

September 2017

When will we learn?

Mat 24:36　 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.　

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Best I can tell from the video, only that a resurrection on a future feast day was being alluded to. Maybe some hope that it would be this year, but no claim that it will. I have generally thought also that future events would be tied to Feast days just as they were at Yeshua's first coming.

Maybe if you had actually watched the video you might not have asserted some date setting hysteria nonsense. Live up to your screen name.

Like for instance, Matthew 24:36 is a reference to a Feast day. But you would know that if you studied things out.

I do believe that God made the stars / planets etc as signs for us to read etc.

Two elements of this sign are extremely common:

The sun spends about a month in Virgo EVERY year, in August/September.

The moon transits Virgo once a month.

Heck, even Answers in Genesis debunks this 'sign.'

What Will Happen on September 23, 2017?

The unique difference is that three planets (wandering stars) are in perfect alignment in Leo to make the 12 stars of the crown of woman. Jupiter has done a retrograde operation inside the womb of Libra for 42 weeks / 9 months and will exit on the 22nd at sundown, Jerusalem time, which closes Rosh Hashanah and begins the 23rd. That part was missed by AIG. There have been several folks who have run this thru various astronomical programs and this hasn't happened since before the book of Genesis was written. Not once in 7000 years, nor does it show happening in 1000 years future. This thing got noticed several years ago, and there has been about 6 years of peer review to debunk it. So far, no one has proved the line up wrong.

And AIG is being a little disingenuous. The name "planet" comes from the Latin for "wandering star". And no one I know of had a telescope back when Revelation was written. So dismissing planets as not really being stars is straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel.

They seem to be so set on debunking date setting that they overlook the fact that very few are in that camp regarding this. Most see it as significant in the fact that it all happens directly at the end of Rosh Hashanah, right when the "last trump" is blown at the "twinkling of an eye", which is the Jewish recognizing of the last sliver of the sun before it sets. Something I might have missed, but seemed to be surprisingly absent from AIG's "analysis".

Roll on the 23rd! Another date that will come and go, just like all the others throughout history (ignore if world ends on 23rd!)

Goatee said:

Roll on the 23rd! Another date that will come and go, just like all the others throughout history (ignore if world ends on 23rd!)

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But the folks who make these predictions don't even have the humility to admit when they are wrong when the date passes without incident. They just conjure up 'Biblical' excuses for moving on to their next prognostication.

Yep. 24th will be the test day. World will still be here. The test will be if it is a little lighter because the population is smaller

Goatee said:

Roll on the 23rd! Another date that will come and go, just like all the others throughout history (ignore if world ends on 23rd!)

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Steve Petersen said:

But the folks who make these predictions don't even have the humility to admit when they are wrong when the date passes without incident. They just conjure up 'Biblical' excuses for moving on to their next prognostication.

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The problem with this line of thinking is basic claim is the Rev sign is appearing on that day, and it will do so regardless of if the rapture occurs in conjunction with it or not. It will be there, despite all the talk contrary to it.

If nothing rapture-related happens, so what? We who saw it coming will still be proven right, as it was there as we attempted to show. If scoffers see it as a point to flaunt their blindness, that's their own shame they get to deal with.

The sign is coming, and no amount of individual ignorance will stop it.

SeventyOne said:

The problem with this line of thinking is basic claim is the Rev sign is appearing on that day, and it will do so regardless of if the rapture occurs in conjunction with it or not. It will be there, despite all the talk contrary to it.

If nothing rapture-related happens, so what? We who saw it coming will still be proven right, as it was there as we attempted to show. If scoffers see it as a point to flaunt their blindness, that's their own shame they get to deal with.

The sign is coming, and no amount of individual ignorance will stop it.

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Whether it 'is there' or not is not really germain. Its significance depends entirely on your interpretation of the event. Your interpretation is a subjective analysis of Biblical passages.

Well, there has been a lot of crying wolf over the recent decades that hasn't helped. It has caused many to just dismiss any of this stuff out of hand without actually looking at it. Like the "88 Reasons Jesus has to return in 1988" nonsense.

But on this one, there have been several researchers that have come at it from different angles and converged on similar conclusions. Not quite in the same camp and the one "prophet" kind of thing that got a special message from God. Like Harold Camping.

Mark Biltz came at this from the angle of researching the blood moon tetrad that occurred in 2014 and 2015. Two years in a row with blood moons on the Passover and Feast of Tabernacles each year. That is a little beyond coincidence right there, but possible.

Then throw in the Bethlehem Star thing that occurred in 2015. When the wise men of the gospels came to Bethlehem, the claimed they had seen the star two years earlier. Well, it has been 2 years since the 2015 Bethlehem star convergence. I can't recall the individual who first determined that convergence of Jupiter and Venus which made it the brightest "star" in the sky with the naked eye.

Then you throw in Biltz's research on the generations thing that Yeshua said in Matthew 24:34 about how the generation that sees these thing come to pass will not pass away till they be fulfilled. There has always been some dispute as to how long a generation is. 50 years? 70 years? 100 years? Also, in Matthew 24:37, Yeshua said that as it was in the days of Noah, so would it be at the coming of the son of man. Well, in Genesis 6:3, God decreed that man would have 120 more years. The first Jewish Congress convened to work on establishing a homeland for the Jews was done in 1897.... 120 years ago. The Balfour declaration where Britain decreed the homeland in the former area of ancient Israel was made in 1917... 100 years ago. The UN officially established that a nation of Israel be established where it is now, in 1947... 70 years ago, with the official claiming of State of Israel the following year. Then Jerusalem was reclaimed by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War...... 50 years ago, which would make 2017 a Jubilee Year.

Then when you take the solar eclipse this year in the U.S. which occurred on August 21st, which is just before the 1st day of Elul on the Jewish Calendar, that is the official start of the 40 day season of Teshuvah, or time of turning back to God, before Yom Kippur / Day of Atonement. During this time, the people are to turn from their sin and back to God. The books are opened on Rosh Hashanah and judgment begins. The righteous are separated from the unrighteous, and the unrighteous have 7 days till Yom Kippur / Day of Atonement to still repent. At Yom Kippur, their fate is sealed.

This 40 day season of repentance, or Teshuvah, was what God gave Ninevah when Jonah warned them or God would destroy them, as one of several examples. And guess what..... there was a full solar eclipse on that year that covered the area of Ninevah. That was worked out using the same computer program for this coming convergence. And it happened just before the 1st of Elul on the Jewish calendar, the start of the season of Teshuvah, or repentence, like the one that just went thru the U.S.

The Revelation 12 sign occurs at the end of Rosh Hashanah, or feast of trumpets, which is September 21st & 22nd. There are 7 days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Scottie Clarke is credited as the chief researcher to find this convergence. He put out his initial findings about 6 years ago. It has had 6 years of being put to the test of peer review, and has not been debunked except by some who don't take all the conditions of the event into account. This has been worked thru by several competent people and found that this convergence that matches Revelation 12 precisely, does not occur for 6000 years previous or 1000 years future. Only on September 23rd does this detailed convergence happen. It was posted that Answers in Genesis debunked it, but they failed on several levels to take all the details into account. The primary one... that Jupiter does a retrograde operation and stays inside the womb area of the constellation Virgo for 9 months, just like a human gestation period, and then Jupiter passes between the legs of Virgo on September 23rd, being born.

When these various details get put together, then things get really eye opening. It starts getting into a complex game of mathematical probabilities that borders on the impossible. What one chooses to do with that is up to them. But keep in mind, Yeshua held that generation of His first coming accountable for knowing that time of His coming. And God always gives ample signs and warnings before bringing doom on anyone so that no one will be legitimately able to say they were not warned.

Does it mean a rapture? I'll leave that to each person to decide for themselves.

Steve Petersen said:

Whether it 'is there' or not is not really germain. Its significance depends entirely on your interpretation of the event. Your interpretation is a subjective analysis of Biblical passages.

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It's actual significance is what it is, a fulfilled prophecy. You don't get to diminish what it is in reality.

On the other hand, you can find fulfilled prophecy to not be significant to you personally all you like.

SeventyOne said:

The problem with this line of thinking is basic claim is the Rev sign is appearing on that day, and it will do so regardless of if the rapture occurs in conjunction with it or not. It will be there, despite all the talk contrary to it.

If nothing rapture-related happens, so what? We who saw it coming will still be proven right, as it was there as we attempted to show. If scoffers see it as a point to flaunt their blindness, that's their own shame they get to deal with.

The sign is coming, and no amount of individual ignorance will stop it.

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It's not the fact that the sign will happen it's the fact that so many people always point to these signs as the beginning of the end of the world etc!

I forgot to add one more thing to that pile of stuff I posted that is "coincidental".....

The United Nations has a International Peace Day every year. It falls on September 21st / Rosh Hashanah this year. Each year they have a different slogan for each one of these annual Peace days. This year....... "Peace and Safety" is the slogan.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (NKJV) For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

And another note... usually when something starts getting secular attention and possibly ridicule, one can figure they have struck gold. And this from Beyonce at the Grammy awards regarding Revelation 12....