What Exactly is the Mission of the Church?

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Very few of the postings have mentioned worship as a major purpose of the Church. Witnessing and service are in some ways done by individuals, though the Church can and should support those activities. Worship, however, is an activity that is peculiarly one of the Church.
 
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Very few of the postings have mentioned worship as a major purpose of the Church. Witnessing and service are in some ways done by individuals, though the Church can and should support those activities. Worship, however, is an activity that is peculiarly one of the Church.

Although I agree with you I find myself living in an evolving society which has rapidly progressed from "worship" via radio services to television services and now to the internet. Then, there are those for whom no church is good enough so they stay at home and "worship" by themselves.
 
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Very few of the postings have mentioned worship as a major purpose of the Church. Witnessing and service are in some ways done by individuals, though the Church can and should support those activities. Worship, however, is an activity that is peculiarly one of the Church.

Well it's hard to praise God when you aren't being blessed.

2 Chronicles 9:7, 8
7“How blessed are your men, how blessed are these your servants who stand before you continually and hear your wisdom. 8“Blessed be the LORD your God who delighted in you, setting you on His throne as king for the LORD your God; because your God loved Israel establishing them forever, therefore He made you king over them, to do justice and righteousness.
 
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Well it's hard to praise God when you aren't being blessed.

2 Chronicles 9:7, 8
7“How blessed are your men, how blessed are these your servants who stand before you continually and hear your wisdom. 8“Blessed be the LORD your God who delighted in you, setting you on His throne as king for the LORD your God; because your God loved Israel establishing them forever, therefore He made you king over them, to do justice and righteousness.

I don't know about you, but when I think I have nothing to bless God for I turn to Psalms such as 103.
 
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I don't know about you, but when I think I have nothing to bless God for I turn to Psalms such as 103.

This is better:

Matthew 6:9-11
9“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.

10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.

11‘Give us this day our daily bread.

Matthew 7:7
7Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
 
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This is better:

Matthew 6:9-11
9“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.

10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.

11‘Give us this day our daily bread.

Matthew 7:7
7Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

There is a significant difference between worship and petition. What you have cited are prayers of petition, which ask God to do things for us so that we might be blessed. Worship, OTOH, blesses God for who He is and what He has done. The first type of prayer is all about asking God and the second is all about praising and blessing God.
 
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There is a significant difference between worship and petition. What you have cited are prayers of petition, which ask God to do things for us so that we might be blessed. Worship, OTOH, blesses God for who He is and what He has done. The first type of prayer is all about asking God and the second is all about praising and blessing God.

I believe God would be happier if we asked, the text teaches it.
 
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I believe God would be happier if we asked, the text teaches it.

The discussion I was having was about worship, not about what makes God happier.

John 4:23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
 
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The discussion I was having was about worship, not about what makes God happier.

John 4:23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

And how does one worship in truth?

1 Corinthians 14:24, 25
24But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; 25the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
 
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And how does one worship in truth?

1 Corinthians 14:24, 25
24But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; 25the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.

What you believe prophecy to be?
 
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From Spirit led teaching.

There are few things I love better than a circular argument. The classic Christian circular argument in my book comes from Catholics who know that the Catholic Church is the ONE, TRUE CHURCH because the Catholic Church told them that it is the ONE, TRUE CHURCH.
 
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There are few things I love better than a circular argument. The classic Christian circular argument in my book comes from Catholics who know that the Catholic Church is the ONE, TRUE CHURCH because the Catholic Church told them that it is the ONE, TRUE CHURCH.
Actually the analogy is that of a jigsaw puzzle. You have all the pieces but you need the original completed picture, the key to solve the puzzle.

Before baptism, Scripture is hidden.

2 Corinthians 3:7-18
7But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

12Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away.14But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

After, it just pops out

Act's 17:1-7
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It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they beganspeaking with tongues and prophesying. 7There were in all about twelve men.

I wish Paul were here to explain the process and the basis, but I'll try to fill in, although those are pretty big shoes.

I'll tell you how I did it.

Why I did it.

How I checked it.

How YOU can check it.

It's not too difficult, or like what they say in Meixien, "Too difficult to describe, too far to show".

Rather:
Chinese Proverb: "If you don't scale the mountain, you can't view the plain."

Read more: If you don't scale the mountain, you can't view the plain.
 
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Actually the analogy is that of a jigsaw puzzle. You have all the pieces but you need the original completed picture, the key to solve the puzzle.

Before baptism, Scripture is hidden.

2 Corinthians 3:7-18
7But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

12Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away.14But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

After, it just pops out

Act's 17:1-7
1
It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they beganspeaking with tongues and prophesying. 7There were in all about twelve men.

I wish Paul were here to explain the process and the basis, but I'll try to fill in, although those are pretty big shoes.

I'll tell you how I did it.

Why I did it.

How I checked it.

How YOU can check it.

It's not too difficult, or like what they say in Meixien, "Too difficult to describe, too far to show".

Rather:
Chinese Proverb: "If you don't scale the mountain, you can't view the plain."

Read more: If you don't scale the mountain, you can't view the plain.

Interesting. I was baptized as an infant, but scripture was quite hidden from my mind until God saved me as a young man. In my experience baptism had nothing to do with spiritual understanding; rather it was all about God's grace through faith.

It seems to me that the Bereans don't fit your mold at all. Their mode of finding spiritual truth was to search the scriptures daily, not to rely on "spirit-led teaching" even it came from Paul himself. What is amazing is that they were commended, rather than condemned, for taking this tack.
 
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Interesting. I was baptized as an infant, but scripture was quite hidden from my mind until God saved me as a young man. In my experience baptism had nothing to do with spiritual understanding; rather it was all about God's grace through faith.

It seems to me that the Bereans don't fit your mold at all. Their mode of finding spiritual truth was to search the scriptures daily, not to rely on "spirit-led teaching" even it came from Paul himself. What is amazing is that they were commended, rather than condemned, for taking this tack.
Yet baptism leads to being fed, even the children of believers benefit from being exposed to Scripture, that's the blessing of the covenant, the blessing that is denied to those who are not God's People:

1 Corinthians 12:1-5
1For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3and all ate the same spiritual food;4and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.5Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.

Although it's not the same as being made loyal, as v5 shows. No one can give faith, you have to want to be loyal. You can take a horse to the water, it can drink, be blessed, but you can't make it like what it drinks.

And the Berean way is also my way. I don't know how you differentiate the two.
 
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Yet baptism leads to being fed, even the children of believers benefit from being exposed to Scripture, that's the blessing of the covenant, the blessing that is denied to those who are not God's People:

1 Corinthians 12:1-5
1For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3and all ate the same spiritual food;4and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.5Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.

Although it's not the same as being made loyal, as v5 shows. No one can give faith, you have to want to be loyal. You can take a horse to the water, it can drink, be blessed, but you can't make it like what it drinks.

And the Berean way is also my way. I don't know how you differentiate the two.
That scripture can refer directly to people who think, or are, baptized born again Christians, or in the Old Covenant, those who claim to be law abiders, that he is "not well pleased" with many of them, and that, may be a nice way of putting it maybe...?

Also, the rock that followed them, if truly "all is one, but only one (God alone) is "all"" and he is in everything, and a part of everything, (which is what true omnipresence means), was the rock that followed them, also the pillar of cloud, or the pillar of (what they called) "fire" also...? cause those...? Actually it says, the "rock followed them" doesn't it...? But I think he (God) was in front of them, behind them, to their sides, very far, and yet very, very, very "near" (to and in everything) Also, most often now only manifesting itself as only a voice, none of that other stuff worked anyway...

Anyhow, just thinking...

God Bless!
 
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From Spirit led teaching.
The Spirit Loves to communicate with us through God's word though...

Cause it's Holy as the Holy Spirit is Holy...

Might be grieving the Spirit otherwise as he is trying to get through to you in other ways and he will probably try to get you, to get into God's word at one or some point...

God Bless!
 
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