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went to church today

there was this woman on stage sharing her testimony which reflects the ignorance and cruelty on full display at this particular brothel of a place

this woman just went on and on how challenging different seasons of her life was, starting from the day her husband was offered a residency in surgery in another city (yes, it is a real drag to know you and your family are going to have a great future, a real drag indeed, i have no idea how those who are facing of crippling medical condition, financial ruins complaining about?)

then this woman started to dispense wisdom on what to do when you are lonely even though you are surrounded by others Christians

yes, just walk up to your worship leader on Sunday after service and say " hey, where are you guys all hanging out after the service, i want to be part of it" (paraphrasing here, as I could not remember her exacts words) and everything would magically work out for you as it did for her, because she immediately made plenty of friends after that

after that, she continued with her trash coming of her mouth. she went to tell everybody that in the few years while she and her husband were overseas, she was lonely (not because she did not have friends, but because she was away from families and friends she has already made here) again, does she is somehow delusional enough to think this particular experience makes her a real expert on loneliness people are going through?

all the while the pastor is echoing her so called trash of a testimony by saying "if you want to be friends, you HAVE to be FRIENDLY!" just follow this woman's advice and walk up to your worship leader after the sermon and ask if you could hang out with ALL of THEM, problem solved.

then she finished off by reminding everybody it is not what she CAN get from the church, but rather what SHE can offer.

it is not about her wanting friends , but whose friends can she be.

here is the thing, this woman and this pastor seem to think making friends is as easy as taking the initiatives to approach others and ask to hang out, so why are there so many lonely people in the world, maybe it is because they are all cowards who are not willing to take initiatives to just ask to crash the party? maybe it is because they are just parasites who want to take and take?

here the thing, this woman need to realize that the reason she is able to make friends everywhere she go is not simply because she is a friendly person (according to her, even though she talks like a prostitute) it is not because she fancy herself as a gusty person that she is able to walk up to complete strangers and ask to join them (though i do think it is ONE of the important skills we all need to learn if we wants friends, however, it is only ONE of the skills, not EVERYTHING, anyone with a genuine experience of struggles know this, even a person with IQ of 30 should know this)

the reason she is able to do this is because she is incredibly fortunate (though this airhead appears to be fortunate enough or smart not to realize this) that the life experience she had allows her to acquire the social confidence and skills for her to be able to make those situation works. neither does she seem to be smart enough to realize that not everybody is as fortunate as she is, and if have not acquire those confidence and skills, it takes years to just build them up, even then you will need a mentor, which clearly this woman and this pastor are not interested in offering, they just want to give you their verbal garbage and then place blame on you and the proceed to legitimize their bullying and basically teach others to follow their suit)

as far as giving back is concerned, this woman does not seem to realize the reason she is able to give back is because she already have plenty of gas in her ugly tank so to speak, that is either blessing from God or God allows it, not all of us have that luxury. so if any one of us are struggling in that, we are essentially wusses and parasites? because making friends is really easy as ABC, so it must be our fault alone that we don't have friends and we should be stoned?

but never mind, she and the pastor as well as others on the ministry team has all the power as they have all the voice, they CAN and WILL decide the narratives and hence reality within that church and many others will simply follow suit.

i just to let all of you who are struggling with loneliness knows that this is what you need to do

you need to go to God, ASK HIM to help you and to give you the motivation and all the graces to improve yourself in ALL AREAS of your life, so you will be a fun person to be around, so you don't have beg for friends, so you can hopefully make something of yourself so you don't have to throw yourself at the mercy at the foot of this woman and pastor such as those.

Be like Jacob, be willing to wrestle with God on this issue until He helps you.

as far as that woman is concerned, she should remember that God may have given her and her husband plenty of blessings, but God is not a God that will allow her to get away with rubbing salt in people's wound

as for that pastor, well, he's fat (i don't have problem with fat people as i myself have struggled with mine own weight throughout mine life, i do have problems, however, with arrogant jerks who seems to ignore their own struggles and then rub salt in others wound in areas them themselves is lucky enough to be cruising) it is quite clear he probably does not take initiatives when it comes to his health. I wonder how he would feel if he is given the same prep talk by his doctors " it is like, hey King Solomon, don't be such lazy disgusting pig. Just stopping eating cheese straight out of the packets and starts exercising, or at least learn to walk to your dad's place who just so happened to be living next door to you instead of taking the car!



anyway, what i have expressed here is mine own perception and opinion only, God bless you all.
 
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Oof. That was hard to read with all the venom and hate being spewed. Do you think maybe your struggles with jealousy are holding you back from making friends and getting involved with the church? I will pray for you. I know it's really hard to get out of a hole when you have a huge weight on your chest keeping you there. Please be fair. Do you really think anybody in the church was there to try and bring you down? No, people do not always have the right answers, but they usually have the right motives. Do not minimize her troubles and assume she was trying to hurt you. Everyone just does what they believe is right and she thought her story could help others.
 
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Oof. That was hard to read with all the venom and hate being spewed. Do you think maybe your struggles with jealousy are holding you back from making friends and getting involved with the church? I will pray for you. I know it's really hard to get out of a hole when you have a huge weight on your chest keeping you there. Please be fair. Do you really think anybody in the church was there to try and bring you down? No, people do not always have the right answers, but they usually have the right motives. Do not minimize her troubles and assume she was trying to hurt you. Everyone just does what they believe is right and she thought her story could help others.

I agree.

I'm not this woman but I honestly felt attacked just by reading your OP, TravelerFar. It sounds like you have a LOT of anger and jealous, and while that's normal and fine... the way you talked about this woman is very unsettling. Calling her a harlot just because she's had different struggles than you to me is unacceptable and just down right mean.

I agree also with Peachie, don't minimize her troubles because they are different than your own, and she felt her personal story could and would help others. Just because it doesn't help you, doesn't mean it didn't help someone else.

I think you need to work on your anger issues, and your jealousy, and also your kindness. I know it's hard, trust me I've had anger issues of my own, but once you work on it I think honestly you'll be in a better place and more humble and in peace with God.


P.S. Edited to add, @TravelerFarAwayFromHome I know your topic said you're just venting, and I get that sometimes we vent and say things we don't mean later when thinking on it. But these were just my two cents when I came across your thread.
 
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went to church today

there was this real harlot on stage sharing her testimony which reflects the ignorance and cruelty on full display at this particular brothel of a place

this woman just went on and on how challenging different seasons of her life was, starting from the day her husband was offered a residency in surgery in another city (yes, it is a real drag to know you and your family are going to have a great future, a real drag indeed, i have no idea how those who are facing of crippling medical condition, financial ruins complaining about?)

then this woman started to dispense wisdom on what to do when you are lonely even though you are surrounded by others Christians

yes, just walk up to your worship leader on Sunday after service and say " hey, where are you guys all hanging out after the service, i want to be part of it" (paraphrasing here, as I could not remember her exacts words) and everything would magically work out for you as it did for her, because she immediately made plenty of friends after that

after that, she continued with her trash coming of her mouth. she went to tell everybody that in the few years while she and her husband were overseas, she was lonely (not because she did not have friends, but because she was away from families and friends she has already made here) again, does she is somehow delusional enough to think this particular experience makes her a real expert on loneliness people are going through?

all the while the pastor is echoing her so called trash of a testimony by saying "if you want to be friends, you HAVE to be FRIENDLY!" just follow this woman's advice and walk up to your worship leader after the sermon and ask if you could hang out with ALL of THEM, problem solved.

then she finished off by reminding everybody it is not what she CAN get from the church, but rather what SHE can offer.

it is not about her wanting friends , but whose friends can she be.

here is the thing, this woman and this pastor seem to think making friends is as easy as taking the initiatives to approach others and ask to hang out, so why are there so many lonely people in the world, maybe it is because they are all cowards who are not willing to take initiatives to just ask to crash the party? maybe it is because they are just parasites who want to take and take?

here the thing, this woman need to realize that the reason she is able to make friends everywhere she go is not simply because she is a friendly person (according to her, even though she talks like a prostitute) it is not because she fancy herself as a gusty person that she is able to walk up to complete strangers and ask to join them (though i do think it is ONE of the important skills we all need to learn if we wants friends, however, it is only ONE of the skills, not EVERYTHING, anyone with a genuine experience of struggles know this, even a person with IQ of 30 should know this)

the reason she is able to do this is because she is incredibly fortunate (though this prostitute appears to be fortunate enough or smart not to realize this) that the life experience she had allows her to acquire the social confidence and skills for her to be able to make those situation works. neither does she seem to be smart enough to realize that not everybody is as fortunate as she is, and if have not acquire those confidence and skills, it takes years to just build them up, even then you will need a mentor, which clearly this prostitute and this pastor are not interested in offering, they just want to give you their verbal garbage and then place blame on you and the proceed to legitimize their bullying and basically teach others to follow their suit)

as far as giving back is concerned, this woman does not seem to realize the reason she is able to give back is because she already have plenty of gas in her ugly tank so to speak, that is either blessing from God or God allows it, not all of us have that luxury. so if any one of us are struggling in that, we are essentially wusses and parasites? because making friends is really easy as ABC, so it must be our fault alone that we don't have friends and we should be stoned?

but never mind, she and the pastor as well as others on the ministry team has all the power as they have all the voice, they CAN and WILL decide the narratives and hence reality within that church and many others will simply follow suit.

i just to let all of you who are struggling with loneliness knows that this is what you need to do

you need to go to God, ASK HIM to help you and to give you the motivation and all the graces to improve yourself in ALL AREAS of your life, so you will be a fun person to be around, so you don't have beg for friends, so you can hopefully make something of yourself so you don't have to throw yourself at the mercy at the foot of prostitute and pastor such as those.

Be like Jacob, be willing to wrestle with God on this issue until He helps you.

as far as that prostitute is concerned, she should remember that God may have given her and her husband plenty of blessings, but God is not a God that will allow her to get away with rubbing salt in people's wound

as for that pastor, well, he's fat (i don't have problem with fat people as i myself have struggled with mine own weight throughout mine life, i do have problems, however, with arrogant jerks who seems to ignore their own struggles and then rub salt in others wound in areas them themselves is lucky enough to be cruising) it is quite clear he probably does not take initiatives when it comes to his health. I wonder how he would feel if he is given the same prep talk by his doctors " it is like, hey King Solomon, don't be such lazy disgusting pig. Just stopping eating cheese straight out of the packets and starts exercising, or at least learn to walk to your dad's place who just so happened to be living next door to you instead of taking the car!



anyway, what i have expressed here is mine own perception and opinion only, God bless you all.


I actually agree with you there.

I have quite diverse life experiences as well but I am very discreet about it with my real life friends.

I do care if someone gets insecure or jealous about it.

I think it can be insensitive to just don't care about giving some people negative feelings about it even if that's not your intention.

I feel the same way about facebook and I haven't posted anything in my facebook for more than a year!
 
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Clueless wealthy person. Just distance, be busy, and let them have their fun--if money is their confidence eventually they'll have legit challenges, and they'll eventually stop. Just leave her be and realize she's in a different situation than you.
 
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i should also add that i have already TRIED to go back and edit mine post and taken all harlot related references out, as you can see, i have already tried to edit and in half of the post i refer her as woman half of the post i refer to her as prostitute.

it was late at night, i missed some out.

so there.
 
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Oof. That was hard to read with all the venom and hate being spewed. Do you think maybe your struggles with jealousy are holding you back from making friends and getting involved with the church? I will pray for you. I know it's really hard to get out of a hole when you have a huge weight on your chest keeping you there. Please be fair. Do you really think anybody in the church was there to try and bring you down? No, people do not always have the right answers, but they usually have the right motives. Do not minimize her troubles and assume she was trying to hurt you. Everyone just does what they believe is right and she thought her story could help others.

well i don't have time to answer you in detail, but i will come back

in the mean time, please remember there is a context to the situation and maybe wait for me to explain.

but how i interpreted this situation is not based on what i described here alone

there is a history

they did atrocious things to slander then bully me and abuse their power because they can
 
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well i don't have time to answer you in detail, but i will come back

in the mean time, please remember there is a context to the situation and maybe wait for me to explain.

but how i interpreted this situation is not based on what i described here alone

there is a history

they did atrocious things to slander then bully me and abuse their power because they can
Im sure there's context. The feelings you expressed don't come from nothing. But I do know regardless of context its only hurting you to hold anger and bitterness over it. My mom always says bless it and release it. If it's not serving you, pray and let it go so you can move on to more important, life giving things.
 
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all the other prostitute and harlot reference will be edited to reflect what kind of generous, kind and compassionate person i am even towards those who clearly does not deserve it.
I don't think most of us are qualified to offer the kind of assistance that is clearly needed here. I recommend looking elsewhere.
 
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I get that this is just a venting thread and when we get angry we need some sort of outlet for that anger. However, there is a wrong way of doing that and I fall into that pit time and time again, unfortunately. I'm getting better at reining it in and letting God take charge in that area among other areas in my life. I'm not adding any more than what anyone else has done here, but I will share something with you (the OP).

Truth be told, I have been saying things that only a select few would understand; but in saying things even though I am understood with what I meant, I'm still being corrected in what I say. Why? I believe it to be God saying "be careful with your words." It's happened now for a few days. What I'm getting at here is that even though there are members here that know you (the OP), there are plenty others who do not know what you mean and can only comment on what was just said. If that makes sense...

Also, another thing that happened is that I got into a HUGE fight with someone I really love and care about over something, to me, was quite small. I won't add any details, it's done and gone and we have forgiven each other. My other point is I couldn't go to church that morning because of this whole ordeal. God says: James 3:1-12 (this is just as much a message for you as it is for me, and probably a great many others who are willing to listen).

I had to leave my gift at the alter and make things new again with that person.
Matthew 5:24

I have full confidence that you (the OP) know all this, I pray that you are alright and I'm sorry things don't sound great at the moment. :yellowheart:
 
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I don't think she's being a troll, she's been here for quite awhile and I've seen other posts from her. I think she just was angry and lonely.

If that is the case, then I would offer this.

Addressing the OP now, it is really easy to justify saying certain things by saying that it is just venting or just our thoughts and opinions, but if your words are crude and offensive, there is no justification for that.

I doubt you will like what I have to say but I want to be straight. It sounds to me like you are the one with the problem, not the pastor or the woman you described. You are allowing the bitterness of your life circumstances to completely color everything else, and the result is that you are actually sort of justifying the situation that you are in. You seem extremely bitter about being lonely and not having friends, but consider for a second, would you want to be friends with someone who you knew could possibly go off and rant to others about you, calling you fat or a prostitute? Because that's what I would be wondering if I were your friend. When you go on these crude, scathing rants, do you really think that causes people to be interested in pursuing friendship with you? And then thing is, you may only do it online, but people in your life can sense that bitterness and desperation, just as they can sense if you are a person who is at peace with their life and exercises gratitude. This bitterness and hatred is only going to keep dragging you down, and these rants will never make you feel better either. What you need is to start accepting the circumstances of your life, that they are what they are, and that only you are responsible for changing them if you so desire. No one is going to do that for you.
 
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I have a mixed reaction. I can relate to the OP in that I have had a similar message given to me from a church. And I think that some people on here are being a tad harsh on the OP.

On the other hand, some pretty dangerous words were used initially in the OP and also, they did make fun of fat people apparently. Fat jokes can get old pretty quick.

My best advice in this scenario is if you find yourself getting angry at the OP, I recommend clicking away rather than telling them off. I think the OP has been roasted enough now.

In any case, God bless.
 
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I would say if that's the kind of attitude you're walking away from church with, maybe both you and that church need to have a round of introspection. General rule of thumb: if a place puts a high price on testimony and it isn't a courtroom, give it a wide berth because that shows it's just subject to the whimsy of whoever the mic is passed to that day.

It sounds like this church isn't imparting any grace, nor does it sound like you have the right idea about what church is meant to be. It's not a soirée. If you want that join the Rotary Club. Sundays are meant to worship God and receive the Sacraments. Full stop.

Maybe think about what your priorities are in your faith.
 
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Jesus sometimes told those He healed miraculously "not to tell anyone". Obviously, it means -- don't make a testimony out of it!

Also told us to not let our good deeds be known (as opposed to what the Pharisees do who "broadcast" their good deeds) and conduct our good deeds in secret.

The problem is obvious. And testimonies could potentially be deceitful in its intent and purpose even though the intent of the speaker is pure and good.
 
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