The Anti Christ and different translations of Daniel 9:27

Rik Brooks · Aug 27, 2017

Daniel chapter 9:27 in the KJV says that the Antichrist will CONFIRM a treaty with Israel while the NIV and NAS says that he will MAKE a treaty. These are two different things. There are currently several treaties that are not being enforced: David accord, Oslow accord, Israel/Jordan treaty.

So my question is, will the Anti Christ confirm a treaty or will he make an entirely new one?

TIA

Rik

Winken · Aug 27, 2017

He will make a treaty and then it will be confirmed?

jgr · Aug 27, 2017

Christ is the "Confirmer"

Hebrew interlinear:
1396 [e] 27
wə·hiḡ·bîr 27
וְהִגְבִּ֥יר 27
And he shall confirm 27

Strong's Concordance:
gabar: to be strong, mighty
Original Word: גָּבַר
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: gabar
Phonetic Spelling: (gaw-bar')
Short Definition: prevailed

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:
exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more strength, strengthen, be stronger,
A primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently -- exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more (strength), strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.

Thedictator · Aug 27, 2017

Hal A Peno · Aug 27, 2017

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BABerean2 · Aug 27, 2017

There is no antichrist and no "gap" of time mentioned in the chapter.

Based on Acts 10:38 and Hebrews 10:16-18, Christ fulfilled Daniel 9:24 during the first century.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7 and Galatians 1:14-18, there was a time period of about 7 years when the Gospel was taken to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

Daniel chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Douggg · Aug 27, 2017

Rik, in the early verses of Daniel 9, Daniel was confessing to God how his people had transgressed the covenant they had with God coming out of Egypt.

KJV
Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

KJV
11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Okay "the covenant" in Daniel 9:27 is the Mt. Sinai covenant. "the covenant" is in verse 4 as well as a reference.

confirms the covenant "For one week" , i.e. 7 years.

It is a requirement Moses made back in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, in a speech he made before the nation of Israel as that second generation was about to cross over the Jordan into the promised land and possess it. That every 7 years, the leader(s) of Israel make the same sort of speech to the nation of Israel, that God gave to the Children of Israel, the land of Israel as theirs forever.

Moses was the first to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant of God's promise. It doesn't say "confirm" anywhere in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13 - so when well known bible commentators over the years have missed this - is because they used concordances and word searches, typing in "confirm(s)" and see where it takes them.

But in essence what Moses did was to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant - even though the word confirm is nowhere in the text.

And the reason no-one has confirmed the covenant for 7 years for over 2000 years is that the Jews have not controlled the temple mount - which part of Moses' requirement be that the speech be done from the place of God's choosing, which the Jews hold to be the temple mount.

And currently with Muslim in control the temple moutn, such a speech is not going to happen.

It will have to be after Gog/Magog when the Muslim obstruction is no longer there.

Douggg · Aug 27, 2017

I might also add, the person in Daniel 9:27 who confirms the covenant, the Antichrist, a Jew, the King of Israel, perceived to be messiah - will after 3 years 3 months thereabouts, stop the daily sacrifice and commit the TRANSGRESSION of Desolation of Daniel 8:12-13.

It is called TRANSGRESSION of Desolation because the Antichrist himself is a Jew - and like Daniel said...in Daniel 9:11 KJV

KJV
Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Douggg · Aug 27, 2017

Rik, this is not even debatable, it is an open and shut case - when one understands the person becomes the Antichrist by being anointed the King of Israel (instead of Jesus the rightful king of Israel), and makes a big speech like Moses said to do by the leader(s) of Israel every 7 years, as a reminder, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant that God gave the children of Israel, the land of Israel as theirs forever.

The Jews following Gog/Magog will be lulled into thinking that they are at the start of the messianic age of peace and safety. Before sudden destruction begins, when their King of Israel, the Antichrist, gets convinced in his heart that he has achieved God-hood, and out of nowhere, goes into the temple sits, claiming to be God.

BABerean2 · Aug 28, 2017

The 1599 Geneva Bible was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

The following come from the Geneva version of eSword.

Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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The New Covenant had already been promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when the angel Gabriel appeared.

Christ is the New Covenant Messiah based on Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24.

Would the angel Gabriel come to reveal the timeline of the New Covenant Messiah and then forget to mention the New Covenant ?

Mat 26:28　 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.　

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Douggg · Aug 28, 2017

In Daniel 8, in the vision of the transgression of desolation committed by the little horn at the time of the end....

From 1599 Geneva bible you are using,

Daniel 8:11 And extolled himself against the prince of the host, from whom the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his Sanctuary was cast down.

17 So he came where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for in the last time shall be the vision.

So, if Jesus (in your interpretation) is the one in Daniel 9:27 is the one who caused the daily sacrifice to cease....

(1) by your interpretation, Jesus must be the little horn who causes the daily sacrifice to cease. or.....

(2) Jesus is not the little horn, and the daily sacrifice in Daniel 9:27 ceasing was not done by Jesus.

or (3) the obvious, you have misinterpreted Daniel 9:27 and the person who both confirms the covenant for one week and stops the daily sacrifice in the middle of the week is the little horn person - not Jesus.

BABerean2 · Aug 28, 2017

The interpretation found in the 1599 Geneva Bible is not my interpretation, since it was written over 350 years before I was born.

Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

According to the Jewish historian Josephus, the Jews of his time understood that Daniel 8 had been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes during 167 BC.

Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.

Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)

Luk 21:5　 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said,　

Luk 21:6　 "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down."　

(Mat 24:2　 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."　)

Luk 21:7　 So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?"　

(Mat 24:3　 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

(　Mar 13:3　 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately,　

Mar 13:4　 "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?")　

Luk 21:8　 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.　

(Mat 24:5　 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.　)

Luk 21:9　 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6　 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.)　

Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution

Luk 21:10　 Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.　

(Mat 24:7　 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.　)

Luk 21:11　 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.　

(Mat 24:7　 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.　)

Luk 21:12　 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.　

(Mat 24:9　 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.)　(Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)

Luk 21:13　 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony.　

Luk 21:14　 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer;　

Luk 21:15　 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.　

Luk 21:16　 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death.　

Luk 21:17　 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake.　

(Mat 24:10　 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.　)

Luk 21:18　 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.　

Luk 21:19　 By your patience possess your souls.　

(Mat 24:13　 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.)　

Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem

Luk 21:20　 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.　

(Mat 24:15　 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),　

Luk 21:21　 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.　

(Mat 24:16　 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)　

Luk 21:22　 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　

Luk 21:23　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.　

(Mat 24:19　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!　)

Luk 21:24　 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.　
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ.)

The Coming of the Son of Man

Luk 21:25　 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;　

(Mat 24:29　 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)　

Luk 21:26　 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.　

Luk 21:27　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　

(Mat 24:30　 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)　

Luk 21:28　 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."　

(Mat 24:33　 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)
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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "

Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.

John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.

The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them. Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the same reference to flee in the second verse in each Gospel.

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Based on Hebrews 10:16-18, Christ made an end of sacrifices at Calvary.
When combined with Acts 10:38 this reveals that Christ fulfilled Daniel 9:24, during the first century.

Heb 10:16　 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;　

Heb 10:17　 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.　

Heb 10:18　 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

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Douggg · Aug 28, 2017

It says "he" in the 1599 Geneva Bible - you are interpreting the "he" as Jesus.

The understanding by the the Jews of the first century - was wrong! It doesn't even make sense back in their day, Antiochus was 167bc - was NOT time of the end (if back then the Jews thought, mistakenly, that they were in the time of the end). Antiochus has nothing to do with Daniel 8, anywhere.

You interpretation of Jesus being the one who confirms the covenant and stops the daily sacrifice in the middle of the week is in direct conflict with Daniel 8, of the little horn stopping the daily sacrifice. At the time of the end.

tranquil · Aug 28, 2017

there's 2 covenants: the Mosaic covenant & the Declaration of Independence. God made the Mosaic covenant & man made the Declaration of Independence (covenant with Death & Hades).

the actual wording of Daniel 9:27 is 'half a week breaks the covenant/ treaty'. So the KJV is incredibly misleading, putting the 'bad guy' at the 'middle of the 7', when in fact, it is just as valid to say that the 1st half of the 7 year covenant is the 'great tribulation' (which it is), ie the 'daily sacrifice is cut off for the 1st half'.

Case in point: dusk July3, day of July 4, 1776 to dusk July 3, 2021 (Biblical days go from dusk to dusk) is exactly 245 years. The middle of Dan 9's 7 is a reference 70 '7's, aka 490 years. the exact middle of 490 years is 245 years. From dusk July 3, 2021, subtract 42 months of the outer court of the temple to be trampled by the gentiles (nations/ United Nations) to get to dusk Feb 8, 2018. Subtract 5 months for the 5th Trumpet to get to dusk Sept 14, 2017.

let's put it more straightforward

start dusk Sept 14, 2017 (24 Elul 5777) add 5 months (Hebrew/ lunar/ biblical months) for the 5 months of the 5th Trumpet to get to dusk Feb. 8, 2018 for the start of the great tribulation/ 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe (24 Sh'vat 5778).

Go forward 42 months (Rev 13:5) to get to dusk July 3, 2021 (24 Tammuz 5781). The 70 '7's of Dan 9 are broken in the exact middle on this date, which also happens to be the exact 245th year of the Declaration of Independence covenant (July 4, 1776 to dusk July 3, 2021 = 245. 490/ 2 = 245.

now read Matt 24

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The 'sun, moon darkened, stars fall' etc refers to both the 6th Seal & also to the first 4 Trumpets.

Immediately after the Seals set of 'sun, moon darkened, stars fall etc' (dusk Sept 14, 2017), comes the 'sign of the son of man in heaven' on Sept 23, 2017.

Now start at dusk Sept 14, 2017 (24 Elul 5777) again: add 42 months to get to dusk Feb 5, 2021 (24 Sh'vat 5781). (Add 5 more months to arrive at dusk July 3, 2021 / 24 tammuz again)

Immediately after the first 4 trumpets set of 'sun, moon darkened, stars fall etc' (for example, the 'stars fall' refers to the 2nd Trumpet's 'burning mountain'/ Lucifer's fall of Isa 14 & the 3rd Trumpet's 'great star Wormwood', then comes the Feb 11, 2021 'sign of the son of man in heaven'/ cross in Capricorn.

Revealing Times · Aug 28, 2017

I have this in my "Saved Files" on another site, so its a pretty easy post for me.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

1.) Confirm = gabar 1396 (Greek Word) meaning to be strong, to prevail or to act insolently.

2.) Oblation = minchah 4503 (Greek) A tribute or an offering

3.) Overspreading = kanaph 3671 (Greek) An edge, a Wing or Quarter (of a building) a pinnacle.

4.) Abominations = shiqquwts 8251 (Greek) Meaning, Disgusting, Filthy, Idolatrous or AN IDOL !!

5.) Desolate = shamem 8074 (Greek) Meaning to Stun, Grown Numb, to Stupefy, or to Devastate !!

So looking at these original Hebrew word Translations, what is this verse (Daniel 9:27) really telling us ? Does it match up with other end time events ? Lets delve into it !! Basically this is what I get from verse 27.

Daniel 9:27 The Anti-Christ will FORCE and Agreement (Covenant means agreement) on Israel and others, probably the Muslims. He does so Insolently, his agenda Prevails, he forces this deal. Then after 3 1/2 years he stops allowing the Oblation or Tribute, (I think to Jesus, who Israel accepts as their Messiah before the Day of the Lord as it says in Malachi 4:5-6) by Israel unto their God, the False Prophet places an IDOL in a Wing or a pinnacle of the TEMPLE and demands all people to worship this IDOL or else they must die. THIS STUNS/SHOCKS OR DEVASTATES Israel, then they heed Jesus' words, they Flee unto the Wilderness where they are protected by God for 1260 Days, because Elijah turned them back to the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10) before the Day of the Lord.

Daniel 9:27 shorter version........The Anti-Christ will force a Peace Deal on Israel, in the Middle of this deal he will renege on is deal, and order the False Prophet to place an Image of the Beast (IDOL) in the Temple, and demand all mankind to worship this Image. This Stuns Israel/devastates them.

Do further scriptures agree with this account ?

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

IT MATCHES PRETTY WELL...........to Confirm (GABAR to be strong, prevail or act insolently, so it would seem, to me, to be a FORCED PEACE/SECURITY Agreement.)

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