What Does Daniel Prophecy Mean By He Will Think to Change Times and Laws

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I noticed you labeled my post as "funny".

I thank you for the blessing my brother!


Luke 6 (KJV)
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
 
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The Little Horn is never SATAN.

If we wish to understand how Satan and a MAN described in Daniel as the "Little King" can be one and the same, it is necessary to move from the realm of flesh, and INTO the realm of SPIRIT.

SCRIPTURE states God is SPIRIT

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


SCRIPTURE also states;
GOD IS LOVE.

1 John 4
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


God is(what the human SPIRIT feels as) love.


Flesh cannot comprehend LOVE. ONLY YOUR SPIRIT can comprehend and experience LOVE.


ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE;
In the SPIRITUAL REALM,
LOVE IS THE MOST POWERFUL FORCE IN THE UNIVERSE.

God is love


ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE;
In the SPIRITUAL REALM,
TRUTH IS THE SECOND MOST POWERFUL FORCE IN THE UNIVERSE.


Flesh cannot comprehend TRUTH.
ONLY YOUR SPIRIT can comprehend and EMBRACE, OR REJECT TRUTH.

John 18:37
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.


John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.



Satan IS ALSO SPIRIT and NOT flesh.

But Satan is NOT OF THE TRUTH.

THERE is NO TRUTH IN THIS CHRONIC LIAR!

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



THE SPIRIT known as SATAN IS
FALSEHOOD TO DECEIVE AWAY FROM THE TRUTH


1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


So how can the human "Little King" and Satan be one and the same?


There are ONLY TWO "Spiritual" choices for humans;

Be one with THE SPIRIT OF Love and TRUTH

REJECT TRUTH and be one with THE SPIRIT of Falsehood/LIES/DECEPTION.
 
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By FACTS in the bible. No one buys this stuff man. Nothing is even close to being "Prophetic" in this thinking.
The same facts in the Bible that the Reformers declared and sacrificed their lives for.
 
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The prophecy in Daniel 7:25 states that the little horn power will think to change the times and laws. Some believe that this refers to the papacy changing and combining Ten Commandments and changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday which they take credit for.

What do you think Daniel intended by this prophecy?

the matter at hand is a change of the God's law(s), for example, the law of God says that the religious worshipers should love their neighbors/cohabitants, but there have been religious worshipers professing selfish creeds/religions...

Blessings
 
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the matter at hand is a change of the God's law(s), for example, the law of God says that the religious worshipers should love their neighbors/cohabitants, but there have been religious worshipers professing selfish creeds/religions...

Blessings

I think it is in regards to the change of the Ten Commandments by the RCC and the change of the Sabbath Day.
 
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I think it is in regards to the change of the Ten Commandments by the RCC and the change of the Sabbath Day.

yes, the Ten Commandments are main laws of God - in fact, the third of the ten commandments says the religious worshipers should not use the faith for evil, selfish/self-interested or unclean purpose(s)...

Blessings
 
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I always research what people say...
Daniel 7:25 uses the word times or time '4 times' in V. 25.

zĕman (Aramaic) One time.
'iddan 3 times.

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times (zĕman) and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time (iddan) and times('iddan) and the dividing of time(`iddan).

Interesting in the interlinear...

...and he is meaning to alter of stated (times) and edict and they shall be granted in his hand unto season and seasons and distribution of seasons.

This is one of those verses that takes hours to research for me to get an understanding of it. It takes time.
One thing I did notice. STATED (times) ???

It seems like he is changing something already in effect, something repetitious. I think this is definetely Islamic and could be him changing the times and direction Muslim's and everyone in the region will be required to worship ONLY WITHIN his limited Mid-East empire including Christians and every other religion within his empire.

Why will people worship him?

Because he takes out a good portion of Israel, especially the old city.

Hi Hal,

Glad you check also. Now here is where I saw `appointed times.`

Heb. `zeman,`(Strongs 2166) from Strongs 2165 `zeman,` an appointed occasion, season, time.

As the lawless man will go to the `glorious land` Israel, it is there that he seeks to change their God given festivals, seasons and times, esp. the Day of Atonement.

`How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both sanctuary and host to be trampled under foot.` (Dan. 8: 13)

I agree with you and think we are seeing something similar.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hello. Nice to meet you as well. The pope has both political temporal power as head of the Vatican and spiritual power as leader of the church. The Vatican is an independent state.

I believe the false prophet is Islam and is separate from the first and second beasts of Revelation.

The pope is referred to as the most holy father which is shear blasphemy and he is worshiped like a god. Now a Jesuit holds that office. I believe the office of pope is the office of antichrist.

Hi CDF47,

Yes the Pope is over the Vatican and their `small state,` however you would have to show how he is controlling the rest of the world politically.

Personally I believe if you switch your choices then we would be close. Islam, Political, and the False Prophet over the Pope (& other religions) - the Religious & Economic spheres.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hi CDF47,

Yes the Pope is over the Vatican and their `small state,` however you would have to show how he is controlling the rest of the world politically.

Personally I believe if you switch your choices then we would be close. Islam, Political, and the False Prophet over the Pope (& other religions) - the Religious & Economic spheres.

regards, Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn!

If the 4th Kingdom of Daniel suffered an apparent Political head wound around 500 AD,
and metamorphized into a WORLD WIDE Religious kingdom
(diverse from the first three Political kingdoms),
would this satisfy you request to show how he is controlling the rest of the world?



Roman Catholic Church Seventh Day Sabbath Truth Quotes
“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy.

Why?

Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so.


They have no other reason...

The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.





Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.





“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy.


There is no such law in the Bible.


It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone.



The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’


The Catholic Church says: No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.


And lo!


The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.”
father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802
 
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Hi Marilyn!

If the 4th Kingdom of Daniel suffered an apparent Political head wound around 500 AD,
and metamorphized into a WORLD WIDE Religious kingdom
(diverse from the first three Political kingdoms),
would this satisfy you request to show how he is controlling the rest of the world?

Hi Lee,

Thank you for your reply. However.....as God dealt with each successive world ruler, - Babylon,

`You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting....your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and Persians.` (Dan. 5: 27 & 28)

...
then we know that God dealt with the Medes & Persians, and the Greeks, and also the Roman Empire. What God has judged, cannot revive itself. Thus no RRE, Revived Roman Empire.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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How many entities are credited with casting Angels OUT OF Heaven?

1, 3, 12?

Your reasoning is NOT Scriptural.

According TO YOU, the "Little Horn" and Satan ARE NOT THE SAME.

ACCORDING to Scripture, . . . . .the "Little Horn" and Satan are one and the same .

Daniel 8 (KJV)
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it("LITTLE HORN") cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.


Revelation 12 (KJV)
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns,(ROME/4th Beast) and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Your refusal of truth has your mind locked into an understanding that is ONLY PARTIALLY Scriptural.
You just do not quite grasp these scriptures correctly brother. You seem to be a little to quick to jump in head first without studying. Firstly, we know the Little Horn is a MAN via many Scriptures. Rev. 13 says its the Number of A MAN. Daniel 7 and 8 shows you its a MAN because he has EYES and a MOUTH that speaks Blasphemies. As per the Scriptures you cited Daniel 8:10 is speaking about the High Priests of Israel where the same word is used to describe them in various places in the Old Testament. Gabriel the Angel remember Interprets everything that Daniel saw in chapter 8 !! Look at the COMPARISON VERSES a interpreted by the Angel Gabriel.

Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great,(1) even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them (2).

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down (3).

24 And his power shall be mighty,(1) but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people (2).

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many:(3) he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(10) The host of heaven.—Probably meaning the stars, as Jeremiah 33:22, but in a metaphorical sense indicating the people of Israel. (Comp. Exodus 7:4; Numbers 24:17.)

Benson Commentary Daniel 8:10-11.
And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven — By the host of heaven, seems to be here meant the Jewish priesthood, so called from their continual attendance on God’s service in the temple, as the angels do in heaven. The word צבא, here rendered host, is applied to the attendants in the sanctuary, Exodus 38:8;
Numbers 4:23. And it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground — Persons of principal dignity and high offices are often called stars in the Scriptures. In Isaiah 24:21, The host of the high ones that are on high, is explained by Vitringa of the Jewish rulers and people: see Daniel 12:3, and Revelation 1:20, where the angels, or governors of the church, are called stars.

Pulpit Commentary Verse 10.
And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. The reading of the LXX. is very different after the first clause, "And it was exalted to the stars of heaven, and it was shattered to the earth by the stars, and by them trampled down." The verb תַּסֵּל (tappayl) translated "cast down," has been read as if it had been תֻּפַּל (tooppal). So too the last verb has evidently been read וַירְמְסוּהוּ (vayyir'msoohoo) instead of וַתִּרְמְסֵם (vattir'msaym), due to the resemblance which there was between yod and tan in the older script. Theodotion differs hardly less from the Massoretic, "And it was magnified to the power of heaven, and it fell to the earth from the power of heaven and from the stars, and they trode them down." The verb translated "fell" is evidently read with a vocalization different from both the Massoretic and the LXX The sense of Theodotion is more in accordance with the Septuagint than with the Massoretic. The Peshitta and the Vulgate agree with the Massoretic. The question of which reading is to be preferred can scarcely be settled without regarding the meaning of the terms here used. The crucial point is - What is the meaning of the "host of heaven"? The general consensus of interpreters is that THIS REFERS TO ISRAEL.

You mix and match verses without studying the context. Thus you are led to believe this is Satan when we can clearly see that Satan is not the BEAST in Rev. 20:10

Rev. 20:10 And the DEVIL (SATAN) that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the BEAST (A MAN) and the FALSE PROPHET (ANOTHER MAN) ARE (They are in Hell when Satan is cast into HELL), and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 
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Israel is the GROUP NAME used by Scripture to describe the OBEDIENT SEED of Abraham who CLAIM the PROMISE.

Israel is a "Spiritual" Group claiming the promise

Not a "physical kingdom or nation".
No its not. I see you are into "Replacement Theology" and that will warp ones beliefs in total. All of those scriptures you cited, you have confused their meaning.

All Christians in Europe are in the Family of God, Europe is still going to be the home to the Little Horn/Anti-Christ. Israel is still a NATION. God will deal with the vast majority AFTER the Rapture. That is why its called Jacobs Troubles.
 
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I noticed you labeled my post as "funny".

I thank you for the blessing my brother!


Luke 6 (KJV)
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

I will label any post as funny when you label that person in the manner you did. I can reply to most most people, to me his posts are unintelligible, hes a nice guy, but the posts are a different story. I reply to you....but not him, which means I really can not even comprehend 95 percent of what he says.

If we wish to understand how Satan and a MAN described in Daniel as the "Little King" can be one and the same, it is necessary to move from the realm of flesh, and INTO the realm of SPIRIT.
I explained this in the OTHER POST ABOVE. No use rehashing.

God Bless brother.
 
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You just do not quite grasp these scriptures correctly brother. You seem to be a little to quick to jump in head first without studying. Firstly, we know the Little Horn is a MAN via many Scriptures. Rev. 13 says its the Number of A MAN. Daniel 7 and 8 shows you its a MAN because he has EYES and a MOUTH that speaks Blasphemies. As per the Scriptures you cited Daniel 8:10 is speaking about the High Priests of Israel where the same word is used to describe them in various places in the Old Testament. Gabriel the Angel remember Interprets everything that Daniel saw in chapter 8 !! Look at the COMPARISON VERSES a interpreted by the Angel Gabriel.

Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great,(1) even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them (2).

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down (3).

24 And his power shall be mighty,(1) but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people (2).

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many:(3) he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(10) The host of heaven.—Probably meaning the stars, as Jeremiah 33:22, but in a metaphorical sense indicating the people of Israel. (Comp. Exodus 7:4; Numbers 24:17.)

Benson Commentary Daniel 8:10-11.
And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven — By the host of heaven, seems to be here meant the Jewish priesthood, so called from their continual attendance on God’s service in the temple, as the angels do in heaven. The word צבא, here rendered host, is applied to the attendants in the sanctuary, Exodus 38:8;
Numbers 4:23. And it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground — Persons of principal dignity and high offices are often called stars in the Scriptures. In Isaiah 24:21, The host of the high ones that are on high, is explained by Vitringa of the Jewish rulers and people: see Daniel 12:3, and Revelation 1:20, where the angels, or governors of the church, are called stars.

Pulpit Commentary Verse 10.
And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. The reading of the LXX. is very different after the first clause, "And it was exalted to the stars of heaven, and it was shattered to the earth by the stars, and by them trampled down." The verb תַּסֵּל (tappayl) translated "cast down," has been read as if it had been תֻּפַּל (tooppal). So too the last verb has evidently been read וַירְמְסוּהוּ (vayyir'msoohoo) instead of וַתִּרְמְסֵם (vattir'msaym), due to the resemblance which there was between yod and tan in the older script. Theodotion differs hardly less from the Massoretic, "And it was magnified to the power of heaven, and it fell to the earth from the power of heaven and from the stars, and they trode them down." The verb translated "fell" is evidently read with a vocalization different from both the Massoretic and the LXX The sense of Theodotion is more in accordance with the Septuagint than with the Massoretic. The Peshitta and the Vulgate agree with the Massoretic. The question of which reading is to be preferred can scarcely be settled without regarding the meaning of the terms here used. The crucial point is - What is the meaning of the "host of heaven"? The general consensus of interpreters is that THIS REFERS TO ISRAEL.

You mix and match verses without studying the context. Thus you are led to believe this is Satan when we can clearly see that Satan is not the BEAST in Rev. 20:10

Rev. 20:10 And the DEVIL (SATAN) that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the BEAST (A MAN) and the FALSE PROPHET (ANOTHER MAN) ARE (They are in Hell when Satan is cast into HELL), and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Seeing the truth is a simple as how one allows themselves to look at things.

Your assumptions;
"You seem to be a little to quick to jump in head first without studying."

Are NOT based upon fact.


The general consensus of interpreters is that THIS REFERS TO ISRAEL.


You rely on human interpretation

big mistake.

If the whole world is deceived, and you listen to the world, so too will you be.
 
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Seeing the truth is a simple as how one allows themselves to look at things.

Your assumptions;
"You seem to be a little to quick to jump in head first without studying."

Are NOT based upon fact.


The general consensus of interpreters is that THIS REFERS TO ISRAEL.


You rely on human interpretation

big mistake.

If the whole world is deceived, and you listen to the world, so too will you be.
Ummmm, no I showed you why the Little Horn/BEAST can not be Satan, you just overlooked those facts it seems.

Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are (Awaiting him after 1000 Years), and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Satan is over all the Kingdoms in the World, but he is not the Human Being that is the BEAST. He of course influences him, but Satan is not a Man.
 
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yes, the Ten Commandments are main laws of God - in fact, the third of the ten commandments says the religious worshipers should not use the faith for evil, selfish/self-interested or unclean purpose(s)...

Blessings

I agree
 
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Hi CDF47,

Yes the Pope is over the Vatican and their `small state,` however you would have to show how he is controlling the rest of the world politically.

Personally I believe if you switch your choices then we would be close. Islam, Political, and the False Prophet over the Pope (& other religions) - the Religious & Economic spheres.

regards, Marilyn.

He uses secret societies for political control secretly. He uses the Jesuits, Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei,..., for control. The Jesuits act like an intelligence agency and infiltrate other nations and religions world wide.
 
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Sure he does. Next time I go to the knights to have a beer I'll let them know they're in bible prophecy.

The Jesuits are his intelligence agency. The others harass as well from my understanding. They act like Masons in some regards.
 
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According to a self-consistent Preterist interpretation,

7-headed scarlet red beast with iron teeth & bronze claws = pagan Roman empire with red-clad legions wielding iron swords & bronze spears

7 heads = Julio-Claudian dynasty (Caesar / Augustus / Tiberius / Caligula / Claudius / Nero / Galba)
6th head = Nero = 666

10 horns each ruling for "one hour" = remaining pagan imperial dynasties (e.g. Flavian, Antonine)
little horn "humbling 3" who afflicts the Saints = Diocletian, infamous instigator of the Diocletianic Persecution, who forced Egypt to give up its then 4000 year old calendar, and adopt the Roman one:

Calendar era - Wikipedia
The Era of Martyrs or Era of Diocletian is reckoned from the beginning of the reign of Roman Emperor Diocletian; the first year of this era was 284/5. It was not the custom to use regnal years in Rome, but it was the custom in Roman Egypt, which the emperor ruled through a prefect (the king of Egypt). The year number changed on the first day of the Egyptian month Thoth (29 August three years out of four, 30 August the year before a Roman leap year.) Diocletian abolished the special status of Egypt, which thereafter followed the normal Roman calendar: consular years beginning on 1 January. This era was used in the Easter tables prepared in Alexandria long after the abdication of Diocletian, even though Diocletian was a notorious persecutor of Christians. The Era of Diocletian was retained by the Coptic Church and used for general purposes, but by 643 the name had been changed to Era of the Martyrs.

Second Coming Event (Rev 19) manifested in Constantine who defeated the forces persecuting Christians

Millennium = Byzantine empire
End Times = 15th century AD to present
 
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