I have stated over and over that morality is forever. All of the laws in the old covenant that pertain to how we treat our God and our fellow man deals with morals. First of all the 10 commandments were just the tip of the iceberg when it came to pointing our moral issues. It was not a complete set of commands. Secondly the 10cs contained a ritual command. It like the other Sabbaths , clothing, wearing of tassels, sideburns, health laws and etc. were ritual, judicial or just plain common sense. All those laws governed the way Israel was to live in Canaan. So you see Torah is not our guide for what sin is. We are not living in Canaan and the covenant was broken. There is no old covenant in force today. The new covenant has laws that govern Christians all over the World. It should be so easy to understand yet many try to incorporate the old into the new. The old was a bunch of laws to govern Israel, the new is the way all of those who accept Jesus as Savior and love one another will inherit the new Earth.Hello, I'm not sure how far back your last post is, but I didn't see it, sorry.
If you agree that our salvation is from sin and the that Torah was given to reveal what sin is, then it is not clear to me how you can say that the two are not connected.
We have to remember Jesus was under Torah. If He was teaching the Jews He would refer to Torah. If He ever spoke to Gentiles He would have referred to The Noahide laws. Moses knew the plan of salvation because he was the one who spoke of how Abraham was saved. It never has and of course never will be by keeping Torah.Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, so repenting from our disobedience to the Law is an integral part of the Gospel. It's not like salvation was a new concept in the NT and no one had any idea what Jesus was talking about. The need for our salvation began with the Fall and the whole of the Bible is God's revealed plan of redemption. God did not switch plans half way through.
Paul never spoke against the law and I hope you have not gleaned that from my posts. Paul taught that the law was until Jesus Gal 3:19. 2Cor3:7-11. Now all mankind is under the new covenant of Grace and love.If you interpret Paul as teaching against obeying what God commanded, then the issue is not whether you are a follower of me or a follower of Paul, but whether you are a follower of God or whether you a follower of Paul.
Hold on there partner, you are the one who will not recognize the scriptures we ask you to consider. They upset your apple cart.In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His chosen people to determine whether someone was a false prophet who was not speaking for Him was if they taught them against following what He had commanded, so if you think that Paul was doing that, then you should be quicker to regard him as a false prophet and to disregard what he said than to disregard what God commanded.
That is absolutely deceiving and you know it. He wrote that the 10 commandments lost their glory and were only temporary. They have faded away.However, Paul did no such thing, but rather in 2 Corinthians 3:6-11, he spoke about the New Covenant having much greater glory than the Old Covenant.
Right, God does not change. He set the [plan of salvation into place when Adam sinned. The plan has taken many turns and has not been the same for all mankind. God had a plan for Israel and they failed. Jesus has a plan for all mankind and it will not fail. I believe what you are trying to tell us is that Torah was the ultimate set of laws that God gave only to Israel and we are to obey those laws. That just ain't so my friend. I don't believe you really believe that either. If you really did you would be keeping all the laws of Torah and not be making excuses for not.While we are not under the Old Covenant, we are still under the same God, who does not change.
Not so, the plan was made with changes in it and God has never changed the plan.God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), so too therefore are all of God's righteous laws (Psalms 119:160). If the way to act in accordance with God's righteousness changed when Christ came, then God's righteousness changed, but God's righteousness is eternal and does not change, and the same goes for God's other attributes.
Where there is no law there is no sin. For the Israelites all the ritual keeping of days was law. Were the Gentiles sinning when they didn't keep the ritual laws given only to Israel. Are we Christians sinning because we do not observe ritual laws given only to Israel?The Law can be perverted into legalistic list of does and don'ts according to the letter or it can be correctly taken as a guide for how to have an intimate relationship with God.
I am focusing on what the law was really for. You are focused on believing the law was for salvation. It was not, it was to make Israel a Holy nation. It didn't work. Biblical Israel is defunct. The law is defunct because it could last only as long as the covenant lasted.The problem is that you are focusing too much on who the Torah was given to and not enough on who it was given by. Do you agree that the Torah instructs how to walk in God's ways (Deuteronomy 8:6) and that as followers of God we should seek to walk in His ways? Are you part of God's chosen people, a holy nation, a royal priesthood, and a treasure of God's own possession (1 Peter 2:9-10)? If so, then you should seek to obey God's instructions for how to act as such instead of focusing on whether you live in Canaan. The way to do what is righteous is based on God's righteousness, not on where you happen to live.
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