What Does Daniel Prophecy Mean By He Will Think to Change Times and Laws

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God is the only one with power over time as He transcends time. We can go certain speeds which slows down time a fraction. Also, we can go to outer space which speeds time up a fraction since the mass of the earth drags on time but these are fractions. We will never be able to move through time due to the amount of energy it would take.
Thats not how it works man. God is not subject to time because he is not from a realm of time, he created the Universe and its time construct for mankind. God has always been, but He has no need for ever being created because he is not from a realm where time exists or He is in more than one plane, thus he can go all directions without ever needed to have been created. Those are the two thoughts, I am on the first train of thought.
 
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Thats not how it works man. God is not subject to time because he is not from a realm of time, he created the Universe and its time construct for mankind. God has always been, but He has no need for ever being created because he is not from a realm where time exists or He is in more than one plane, thus he can go all directions without ever needed to have been created. Those are the two thoughts, I am on the first train of thought.

That's what I said. He transcends time.
 
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I disagree.
You are allowed to be wrong. The Islam angle is also wrong. The whole 10 Tribes with the Saxons etc. etc. is kind of funny that people still buy into that stuff. Do you even understand what Rev. 17 says? The 10 Kings RULE for a SHORT time with the BEAST yet you guys have this as a 2000 year Kingdoms, it makes zero sense at all.

A BEAST Conquers, Enslaves or Rules Israel, after Rome there can be no BEAST until 1948 when Israel is REBORN. Ezekiel said they will be as dead men's bones, but that they would COME ALIVE AGAIN. There was no BEAST from like 125 AD until 1948. That is why we have the skip in the Statue, in the BEASTS and in the 70th Week Decree. All these Prophesies are about Israel, which was dispersed around the world for 2000 years. All this RCC stuff is so far from factual its just mind boggling, now we get just the opposite faction with the false Islam angle.

The BEAST is born in Greece, he will come to power in the European Union...JUST LIKE all the other leaders he will be a Geo-Political Leader that CONQUERS ISRAEL.

We have proof, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome were all Geo Political Leaders that Conquered/Enslaved/Ruled Israel. We know what a BEAST is. Its not the Papacy.
 
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You are allowed to be wrong. The Islam angle is also wrong. The whole 10 Tribes with the Saxons etc. etc. is kind of funny that people still buy into that stuff. Do you even understand what Rev. 17 says? The 10 Kings RULE for a SHORT time with the BEAST yet you guys have this as a 2000 year Kingdoms, it makes zero sense at all.

A BEAST Conquers, Enslaves or Rules Israel, after Rome there can be no BEAST until 1948 when Israel is REBORN. Ezekiel said they will be as dead men's bones, but that they would COME ALIVE AGAIN. There was no BEAST from like 125 AD until 1948. That is why we have the skip in the Statue, in the BEASTS and in the 70th Week Decree. All these Prophesies are about Israel, which was dispersed around the world for 2000 years. All this RCC stuff is so far from factual its just mind boggling, now we get just the opposite faction with the false Islam angle.

The BEAST is born in Greece, he will come to power in the European Union...JUST LIKE all the other leaders he will be a Geo-Political Leader that CONQUERS ISRAEL.

We have proof, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome were all Geo Political Leaders that Conquered/Enslaved/Ruled Israel. We know what a BEAST is. Its not the Papacy.

It could only be the papacy. The papacy fits all the criteria. Islam is probably the false prophet of Revelation.
 
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That's what I said. He transcends time.
Maybe semantics but you said He speeds up time. No He lives in the Past, Present and Future all at once. In other words if God orders the Universe Created, he is living in the Finished Product (Future) the very moment he commands the Universe to come into existence, if that makes sense. That's why I say people who say God hurried up the Creation make no sense, why would He need to make it appear to be old yet hurry it up? He commands it and lives in it in a FLASH.

The Universe is thus 13.8 Billion years old.
 
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Maybe semantics but you said He speeds up time. No He lives in the Past, Present and Future all at once. In other words if God orders the Universe Created, he is living in the Finished Product (Future) the very moment he commands the Universe to come into existence, if that makes sense. That's why I say people who say God hurried up the Creation make no sense, why would He need to make it appear to be old yet hurry it up? He commands it and lives in it in a FLASH.

The Universe is thus 13.8 Billion years old.

I agree, I meant He is outside the bounds of time. I also agree the universe is 13.8 billion years old.
 
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It could only be the papacy. The papacy fits all the criteria. Islam is probably the false prophet of Revelation.

This is a little long.
I apologize in advance, but it IS FACT,
and unfortunately for the majority of those who seek seek God,
CONFIRMS your understanding

Revelation 17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Most have heard of the "Abomination of Desolation", but Scripture also speaks of a
"Transgression of Desolation"
.


Daniel 8
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake,
How long [shall be] the vision [concerning]

-the daily [sacrifice], and
-the transgression of desolation,

to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?


Not even Stephen King could write such a devastating horror story;

A DEMONIC SPIRIT AT WAR WITH "THE CREATOR SPIRIT".
    • CREATED AS LUCIFER; ANGEL OF BRILLIANT LIGHT
    • CAST OUT OF HEAVEN BY MICHAEL.
    • LOCKED-UP ON A PLANET WITH ADAM AND EVE.
    • HUMANS ARE NOT ABLE TO SENSE HIS, OR HIS FALLEN ANGELS PRESENCE.
    • HIS ONLY POWER IS TO DECEIVE.
    • BY HIS POWER TO DECEIVE, HE STRIKES BACK AT THE CREATOR THAT REJECTED HIM.
    • HE SEEKS TO DESTROY GOD'S MIGHTY AND HOLY PEOPLE.
    • HE IS WELL AWARE OF ALL THE "CREATOR SPIRITS" LAWS!
    • HE CREATES A "CARBON - COPY" OF THE "CREATOR SPIRIT'S" OBEDIENT SERVANTS.
    • HE TAKES "THE SIGN" OF THEIR "EVERLASTING LIFE CONTRACT", AND DEMONIZES IT IN HIS "COUNTERFEIT".
    • OVER TIME, SOME HUMANS ARE DECEIVED BY HIS DEATH TRAP!
    • EVENTUALLY "THIS DEATH TRAP" BECOMES THE WORLD'S LARGEST RELIGION;
    • AND CONSUMED THE ENTIRE "CHRISTIAN" WORLD!


Hear the TESTIMONY of a COMMANDMENT of GOD.

Also hear the TESTIMONY of a ROMAN Emperor that "thought to change" that COMMANDMENT of GOD.


We will also hear the TESTIMONY of a RELIGION THAT;

  • NOT ONLY EMBRACED that Emperor's SUBSTITUTE Commandment, but
  • CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY for that change.
Now hear the TESTIMONY of THE COMMANDMENTs of GOD, written by the FINGER of GOD.




In the TESTIMONY of DANIEL 7, the JURY heard that the "Little Horn" would;

DANIEL 7
25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:




We SHOULD NOTE, that the 4th Commandment, which incidentally happens to DEAL WITH GOD'S TIMES, is an INCREDIBLE 4 verses long!


8 Remember the sabbath day,to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:

11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.




According to "Documented Human History", shabath (rest), Sabbath was first described in the Biblical account of the seventh day of Creation (Gen. 2:2-3).


Observance in the Hebrew Bible was universally from sixth-day evening to seventh-day evening (Nehemiah 13:19, cf. Leviticus 23:32) on a seven-day week.



Most people who observe Biblical Sabbath regard it as having been instituted as a perpetual covenant.




The Bible records that the followers of Christ CONTINUED TO KEEP the seventh-day Sabbath following the crucifixion of Jesus.


According to classical sources, widespread seventh-day Sabbath rest by Gentile Christians was also the prevailing mode in the 3rd and 4th centuries.

Why?

Because as we shall soon see, THE EARLIEST CHRISTIAN'S UNDERSTOOD that the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was ESTABLISHED by GOD to be a 'NEVER ENDING SIGN" between God and His Children, . . . . . . . . . . and, . . . . . .



BECAUSE Observation and remembrance of GOD'S Sabbath is REQUIRED BY the 4th Commandment, UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH!





In EXODUS 31, God CONFIRMS THE SERIOUSNESS of KEEPING GOD'S SABBATH.

EXODUS 31
12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.




We SHOULD NOTE, that in Exodus 31:13, God tells Moses;
    • OBSERVING GOD'S SABBATH(day of rest) IS THE "SIGN" that we are counted as one of GOD'S CHILDREN.
    • That this "SIGN" will apply to "EVERY GENERATION",

EXODUS 31

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.



I ask YOU;
    • NO MATTER WHAT A HUMAN MAY HAVE TOLD YOU;
    • Does it appear that God is VERY SERIOUS about His Children observing His SEVENTH DAY REST?
EXODUS 31
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant.





At this time, consider the meaning of the phrase, "PERPETUAL COVENANT".


Definition of PERPETUAL
per·pet·u·al

adjective \pər-ˈpe-chə-wəl, -chəl; -ˈpech-wəl

Definition of PERPETUAL
1

a: continuing forever : everlasting <perpetual motion>


b (1): valid for all time <a perpetual right> (2): holding (as an office) for life or for an unlimited time






http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/covenant?show=0&t=1363620037

1cov·e·nant

noun \ˈkəv-nənt, ˈkə-və-\

Definition of COVENANT

1

: a usually formal, solemn, and binding agreement : compact

2

a: a written agreement or promise usually under seal between two or more parties especially for the performance of some action






We SHOULD NOTE, that GOD HIMSELF has stated that OBSERVANCE of HIS SEVENTH DAY SABBATH, is THE SIGN of an EVERLASTING CONTRACT between God and His Children!


EXODUS 31
17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.





In the 1st centuries, the first day, being made a festival in honor of Christ's resurrection, received attention as a day of religious services and recreation, but seventh-day Sabbath rest was still observed by "almost all churches".


This is a really good place to pause and reflect for a moment,


What is about to be revealed;

-Is truly devastating to all those that DO FEAR GOD,






In light of the TESTIMONY of GOD HIMSELF in Exodus, the DEFENSE would now ask the JURY;




      • If I belonged to a group that followed EVERY teaching in the Bible, but the Head of that group declared AND ENFORCED a Wednesday "Day of Rest", would I be Sanctified by God as one of HIS CHILDREN, and therefore expect to receive Eternal Life?
The EVIDENCE would emphatically state;

NO!

Why?

Because, according to the TESTIMONY of GOD HIMSELF, THERE IS NO SIGN BETWEEN me AND GOD!




MY SIGN is with the HEAD of my group, NOT GOD!

I DID NOT BELIEVE GOD,

I BELIEVED a human . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
-who explained it all away


-as if they had the understanding and AUTHORITY

-to render a never ending contract MADE BY GOD HIMSELF

BETWEEN YOU AND HIM

-NULL AND VOID

-and said, "you would not surely die", . . . . . .


-Just as Adam and Eve believed the serpent OVER GOD.



AND NOW!!! . . .

because there IS NO "SIGN" between ME and GOD, because I DID NOT observe GOD'S DAY OF REST, I AM DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!





I ASK YOU, are those not the words that GOD HIMSELF SPOKE?





But the MODERN "Christian" World teaches observance of this COMMANDMENT is no longer necessary!

Why?

IF IT IS TRUTH, that;

-"RESTING" on the SEVENTH DAY is . . . .



    • THE SIGN



      • OF A "PERPETUAL" (NEVER ENDING) CONTRACT



    • BETWEEN GOD and HIS obedient children



    • Which CALLS FOR THE DEATH of ALL that DO NOT OBSERVE this COMMANDMENT . . . . . . . . . . . . .





Who do you believe would TEACH humans to reject God's promise, causing(ACCORDING TO GOD) their CERTAIN DESTRUCTION?

A.) - God's Friend

B.) - Gods ENEMY

(Great Red Dragon / Satan / "Little Horn")

[making war against the Commandments of God]






According to "Documented Human History";



    • The origin of Sunday worship in the 1st or 2nd century remains a debated point.

Often first-day worship (Sunday morning or Saturday night) was practiced alongside observance of seventh-day Sabbath rest and was a widespread Christian tradition by the 2nd century; over time, Sunday thus came to be known as Lord's Day and, later, a rest day.



Though the MODERN majority observance of Christian Sabbath is as Sunday rest, this development was gradual.


Some EARLY ROMAN church authorities opposed widespread seventh-day Sabbath observance as a Judaizing tendency.


According to "Documented Human History", Roman bishops "demanded ... that the Sabbath be profaned; and they denounced in the strongest language those who dared to show it honour.



For example, the Council(CHURCH) of Laodicea (canon 29) required ROMAN Christians to separate from Jewish laws and traditions, stating that Christians must not Judaize by resting on Sabbath, but must work that day and then, if possible, rest on the Lord's Day, and that any found to be Judaizers were declared anathema from Christ.



This was consistent with Constantine's personal position towards Jewry, which has been described by the primitive Christianity movement as persecution of seventh-day observers.





On March 7, 321, the Roman Emperor (pontifex maximus)Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating:

All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.


Country people, however, may freely attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it frequently happens that no other days are better adapted for planting the grain in the furrows or the vines in trenches.


So that the advantage given by heavenly providence may not for the occasion of a short time perish.





Later in 321, Constantine instructed that Christians and non-Christians should be united in observing the venerable day of the sun, referencing the sun-worship that Aurelian had established as an official cult.




At this time, the DEFENSE would submit for the consideration of the JURY that;



      • The COUNTERFEITING of God's Sabbath IS the "Transgression that makes Desolation"!

Definition of TRANSGRESSION
Transgression
noun

Definition of TRANSGRESSION

-a violation of a command or law



It is an abominable TRANSGRESSION that God's Laws and Times COULD BE THOUGHT to be changed!


This SUBSTITUTE SABBATH IS a;

TRANSGRESSION that CAUSES DESOLATION!


Definition of DESOLATION

Desolation
noun

Definition of DESOLATION

2 a: grief, sadness

b: loneliness

3 : devastation, ruin

4 : barren wasteland





It causes "DESOLATION in GOD'S KINGDOM" because;




      • ALL THOSE THAT SOUGHT ETERNAL LIFE WITH THEIR GOD, in SATAN'S church,



      • WERE ALL CONDEMNED TO DEATH by the teachings of SATAN.




      • Simply because there was NO "SIGN" BETWEEN THEM AND GOD!



      • THEIR "SIGN" was with the one that deceived them!





Earlier, the JURY heard TESTIMONY that TWO Religious Groups were RISING UP inside the Roman Imperial State.




      • One of those religious groups was the TRUE CHRISTIAN CHURCH which KEPT the Commandments of God.



      • The other group - THE MYSTERIES of MITHRAS - was a PAGAN "Copy - Cat" of the TRUE "Christian" Church, WHICH DID NOT REGARD THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.



At this time, the DEFENSE would ask the JURY;



      • Which Group would you suspect thought it was O.K. to CHANGE GOD'S LAWS?
-The TRUE Remnant that KEEP the Commandments of God?


-SATAN'S "DESTROYING MOUNTAIN"?

(Great Red Dragon / Daniel's "Little Horn")



JEREMIAH 51

25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.






      • Do you believe you could IDENTIFY the 4th Beast Kingdom of Daniel, the "LITTLE HORN" that would seek to COUNTERFEIT EVEN THE SABBATH, even if it were called by another name in this day and age?




Ladies and Gentlemen of the JURY, the TESTIMONY you are about to hear is bad enough on it's own.

Unfortunately, it is only THE VERY BEGINNING of some very disturbing TESTIMONY.




“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.


The Sabbath or the Lord's Day :: Catholic News Agency

ACCORDING TO CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY;

It is true that the Catholic Church through the authority of Christ replaced the Hebrew Sabbath (Saturday) with the Lord's Day (Sunday); however, this occurred very early - well before the time of Emperor Constantine in the fourth century.


Do Catholics observe the Sabbath? - Catholic Answers Forums

From the earliest times, Catholics have observed Sunday as the Lord's Day, which is "expressly distinguished" from the Jewish Sabbath.



http://www.sa-hebroots.com/catholic_admissions.php

We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." (The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, by Peter Geiermann, 50)



Roman Catholic Church Seventh Day Sabbath Truth Quotes

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy.

Why?

Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so.

They have no other reason...

The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.”
Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.




Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.



“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy.

There is no such law in the Bible.

It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone.


The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’

The Catholic Church says: No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.

And lo!


The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.”


father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802





The JURY SHOULD NOTE what God says about this Catholic "instead of" Sabbath.

ISAIAH 24
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.





Ladies and Gentlemen of the JURY, as one that seeks to please God with all of your heart, does not "Documented Human History" read like some NIGHTMARE.

Not even Stephen King could write such a devastating horror story;



      • EVENTUALLY IT BECOMES THE WORLD'S LARGEST RELIGION;
-AND CONSUMED THE ENTIRE "CHRISTIAN" WORLD!





According to "Documented Human History";



    • Worldwide, the three largest groups of Christianity are the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the various denominations of Protestantism.



    • As of the early 21st century, Christianity has approximately 2.2 billion adherents.



    • Christianity represents about a third of the world's population and is the world's largest religion.






Perhaps the following verse of Scripture takes on a whole new meaning?


REVELATION 9
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.



Which do you believe would be worse in God's eyes;



    • PAGANS that are OPENLY PAGAN, . . . . . or,



    • PAGANS that use God's "only begotten" Son's name. . . . to destroy God's "glorious and holy people"?





MATTHEW 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.


5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

quoted from;
IS AMERICA - Great City Harlot Mystery Babylon Revelation 17? The Evidence is Overwhelming!
 
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The prophecy in Daniel 7:25 states that the little horn power will think to change the times and laws. Some believe that this refers to the papacy changing and combining Ten Commandments and changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday which they take credit for.

What do you think Daniel intended by this prophecy?

Hi CDF47,

Pleased to meet you and discuss. The `little horn` is a Political leader and thus not the false prophet, (or the pope). Now we know that this leader is also called the king of the North, (of Israel - Syria, Iraq and Jordan, the old Assyrian area). he eventually goes to the `glorious land,` Israel (Dan. 11: 41) and there he will `intend to change times and law.`

The word times in Hebrew is `zamar,` meaning an appointed time. This refers to the Jews most holy day, the Day of Atonement, for national mourning and repentance.

This person will set himself up in the sanctuary instead of the usual sacrifice.

`...the son of perdition who exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.` (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Wasn't it you who said you weren't an SDA? You don't really believe that the mark of the beast is a national Sunday law, do you?

I am not an SDA and no I do not believe the national Sunday law. I believe the mark of the beast is following the image of the devil in thought and action (on the forehead and right hand).
 
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Hi CDF47,

Pleased to meet you and discuss. The `little horn` is a Political leader and thus not the false prophet, (or the pope). Now we know that this leader is also called the king of the North, (of Israel - Syria, Iraq and Jordan, the old Assyrian area). he eventually goes to the `glorious land,` Israel (Dan. 11: 41) and there he will `intend to change times and law.`

The word times in Hebrew is `zamar,` meaning an appointed time. This refers to the Jews most holy day, the Day of Atonement, for national mourning and repentance.

This person will set himself up in the sanctuary instead of the usual sacrifice.

`...the son of perdition who exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.` (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

regards, Marilyn.

Hello. Nice to meet you as well. The pope has both political temporal power as head of the Vatican and spiritual power as leader of the church. The Vatican is an independent state.

I believe the false prophet is Islam and is separate from the first and second beasts of Revelation.

The pope is referred to as the most holy father which is shear blasphemy and he is worshiped like a god. Now a Jesuit holds that office. I believe the office of pope is the office of antichrist.
 
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DANIEL TESTIFIED that a "Little Horn" would make war against the saints and prevail against them.

DANIEL 7
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;


REVELATION TESTIFIED that it IS SATAN that would MAKE WAR against God's people.


REVELATION 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



IS THERE A "LITTLE KING" that arose amid 10 Kingdoms and CAUSED THE DESTRUCTION of 3 of those 10 Kingdoms?



IS THIS "LITTLE KING" that CAME OUT OF ONE THE FOUR GREEK KINGDOMS that arose after "Alexander the Great's" death, SATAN?


DANIEL 8
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant [land].
10 And it waxed great, [even] to the host of heaven; and it cast down [some] of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified [himself] even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given [him] against the daily [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.





We know from the testimony of "Documented Human History", that FOUR KINGDOMS DID ARISE out of "Alexander the Great's" death.


Those FOUR KINGDOMS were;
- Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt

- Seleucid Empire in the east

- Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor

- Macedon




According to Scriptural Prophecy, a "Little King" which was later identified as SATAN, was to rise up out of one of the four kingdoms that arose after "Alexander the Great's" death.



In REVELATION, Jesus tells John to send seven letters to the seven angels of the seven churches in Asia.

In REVELATION 2:13, Jesus HIMSELF tells us that SATAN'S SEAT is in Pergamos, which incidently was a city in the Kingdom of Pergamon.


REVELATION 2
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.




"Documented Human History" TESTIFIED that Pergamos (Satan's Seat), was GIVEN to the ROMAN EMPIRE.



REVELATION 13:2 goes on to TESTIFY that SATAN would GIVE his SEAT (PERGAMOS) to the LEOPARD / BEAR / LION BEAST that had 7 Heads and 10 Horns.

REVELATION 13
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.



We submit for your consideration that this LEOPARD / BEAR / LION BEAST WITH SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS describes the ROMAN EMPIRE.





REVELATION 13 testified that the DRAGON / SATAN would GIVE THIS LEOPARD / BEAR / LION BEAST his Seat.



"Documented Human History" testified that Satan's Seat / "Pergamos", was given to Rome.




So let us review for perfect clarity;




    • DANIEL'S TESTIMONY that;
FOUR KINGDOMS would arise OUT OF "Alexander the Great's" GREECE, AFTER Alexander's death.





    • "Documented Human History's" testimony OF THE FOUR KINGDOMS that DID arise out of "Alexander the Great's" Greece.






    • The TESTIMONY of DANIEL, that a "LITTLE KING" / SATAN, would arise out of ONE those FOUR KINGDOMS.




    • "Documented Human History's" testimony that ONE OF THOSE FOUR KINGDOMS WAS PERGAMOS.




    • The TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF that "SATAN's SEAT" was located in PERGAMOS.




    • The TESTIMONY of REVELATION", that (Pegamos / "Satan's Seat") would be given to a LEOPARD / BEAR / LION BEAST with 7 Heads and 10 Horns.






    • The TESTIMONY of "Documented Human History" that PERGAMOS WAS GIVEN TO THE ROMAN EMPIRE.




THIS IS THE "CHAIN OF EVIDENCE" which has LED TO THE ROMAN EMPIRE.


This is the "CHAIN OF EVIDENCE" that has IDENTIFIED the 4th and FINAL Dreadful Beast.


This is the "CHAIN of EVIDENCE" that IDENTIFIED THE REVELATION 13 (LEOPARD / BEAR / LION) BEAST with 7 Heads and 10 Horns AS THE ROMAN EMPIRE.


THIS IS THE "CHAIN of EVIDENCE" that places the "LITTLE HORN" INSIDE THE ROMAN EMPIRE when Satan's Seat was bequeathed to Rome in 133 B.C. .




THIS IS THE "CHAIN of EVIDENCE"

that places the "LITTLE HORN" INSIDE DANIEL'S 4th AND FINAL BEAST /KINGDOM

REVELATION 13's (LEOPARD / BEAR / LION) BEAST with 7 Heads and 10 Horns

The ROMAN EMPIRE




DANIEL 8 goes on to TESTIFY that this "Little King" WOULD TAKE AWAY THE JEWISH "DAILY SACRIFICE".


DANIEL 8 also TESTIFIES that this "Little King" WOULD DESTROY GOD'S SANCTUARY, which WAS the Jewish Temple located in Jerusalem.



DANIEL 8
11 Yea, he magnified [himself] even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.




We will now call "Documented Human History" back to the Witness Stand, that the JURY might hear the testimony of the "SANCTUARY" (Jewish Temple) and the "Daily Sacrifice".



Temple in Jerusalem - Wikipedia
The Bible reports that the First Temple was built in 957 BCE by King Solomon (reigned c. 970-c. 930 BCE).

As the sole place of Jewish sacrifice, the Temple replaced the portable sanctuary constructed in the Sinai Desert under the auspices of Moses, as well as local sanctuaries, and altars in the hills.



During the Roman occupation of Judea, the Temple remained under control of the Jewish people.

It was later destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE during the Siege of Jerusalem.


Korban - Wikipedia
THE END OF SACRIFICES

With the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem by the Romans, the Jewish practice of offering korbanot stopped for all intents and purposes.

Despite subsequent intermittent periods of small Jewish groups offering the traditional sacrifices on the Temple Mount, the practice effectively ended.




According to the TESTIMONY of "Documented Human History" the Jewish "Daily Sacrifice" was taken away BY THE ROMAN EMPIRE, when they CAST DOWN the Temple IN JERUSALEM and it's Sacrificial Alter.




HOWEVER, it is the TESTIMONY of DANIEL, that the "Little King" was responsible for these acts, NOT the Leopard/Bear/Lion Beast.






    • Who or what is this "Little King", that it would receive the credit for these acts, rather than the Roman Empire it was inside of?


Didn't the TESTIMONY of REVELATION reveal this "Little king" as SATAN, INSIDE THE ROMAN EMPIRE?

 
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DANIEL TESTIFIED that a "Little Horn" would make war against the saints and prevail against them.

DANIEL 7
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;


REVELATION TESTIFIED that it IS SATAN that would MAKE WAR against God's people.


REVELATION 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
You do understand that Satan (Red Dragon) also tried to kill the male-child (Jesus) in the same Rev. 12 chapter, but it was actually King Herod as LED by the Spirit of Satan/the god of this world Satan. So its actually the Anti-Christ who is by now the BEAST, who brings forth the FLOOD (Army) against the Woman (Israeli Jews) but the Earth protects her, like it did at the Exodus (Wall of fire/Sea parts).

IS THERE A "LITTLE KING" that arose amid 10 Kingdoms and CAUSED THE DESTRUCTION of 3 of those 10 Kingdoms?


IS THIS "LITTLE KING" that CAME OUT OF ONE THE FOUR GREEK KINGDOMS that arose after "Alexander the Great's" death, SATAN?
The LITTLE HORN is called such because he is a MAN, not a successive number of men in a huge Kingdom like Babylon/Greece/Rome the First. There are 10 Kings of other European Nations that arise with this King who IMHO is born in Greece, and when he becomes the President of the European Union, OF COURSE they give their power unto him. Look for a shaking in the E.U. to get them down to 10-11 Nations soon.

The Little Horn is never SATAN.

I told you what Jesus meant by the Throne of Satan the other day. Pergamos means nothing, it was about the Church AT THAT TIME.

We submit for your consideration that this LEOPARD / BEAR / LION BEAST WITH SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS describes the ROMAN EMPIRE.


The SEVEN HEADS can not describe the Roman Empire because it has the Lion, Leopard and Bear mixed in with it. It describes all Seven Kingdoms that will Conquer/Enslave/Rule Israel.
 
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The Little Horn are never SATAN.

How many entities are credited with casting Angels OUT OF Heaven?

1, 3, 12?

Your reasoning is NOT Scriptural.

According TO YOU, the "Little Horn" and Satan ARE NOT THE SAME.

ACCORDING to Scripture, . . . . .the "Little Horn" and Satan are one and the same .

Daniel 8 (KJV)
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it("LITTLE HORN") cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.


Revelation 12 (KJV)
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns,(ROME/4th Beast) and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Your refusal of truth has your mind locked into an understanding that is ONLY PARTIALLY Scriptural.
 
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The SEVEN HEADS can not describe the Roman Empire because it has the Lion, Leopard and Bear mixed in with it. It describes all Seven Kingdoms that will Conquer/Enslave/Rule Israel.

Israel is the GROUP NAME used by Scripture to describe the OBEDIENT SEED of Abraham who CLAIM the PROMISE.

Israel is a "Spiritual" Group claiming the promise

Not a "physical kingdom or nation".

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Acts 3:25
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
 
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