Is Speaking In Tongues Biblical Today?

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Now ladies, do not get mad at me, I did not write 1 Corinthians. However, if the women were stopped from speaking in tongues today as Paul has said, there actually would not be any tongues spoken in church at all today.

What?! Ha Ha! I say this in a good spirit, but I think you just went a little overboard, lol. You do know that there are men in this Forum who will probably take exception to those words.

pescador · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
And I have been healed as well. I have survived wounds in combat, and cancer but they were not at the hands of a faith healer.

The Bible says in James 5:13-16............
" Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much."

Who said anything about a "faith healer"? Perhaps that term applies to the showoffs on TV but there are many others who pray for people's healing that don't seek publicity. How were your wounds and cancer healed?

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

pescador said:
No, because Jesus is living and active today in the lives of many, many people including me. Throughout the New Testament there are many situations when Jesus healed people of all kinds of physical illnesses, deformities, cast out demons, etc. Also, there are the gifts of the Spirit which are operating today just as they were when the Bible was written.

My faith is in my living Lord and Savior. The Bible is God's word -- only. It is just a book, not a living person. The Bible points to the Trinity, but it's not God.

Without the Bible which is the Word of God, can you tell me how you would have known about the Saviour who I agree is a living person?

pescador · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Yes. I have been around and in the church for 50 years. The abuses I see now are very disturbing to me.

We see today as an example the process done which is referred to as "Slain in the Spirit".
A preacher will touch someone or blow on some one and they fall down backwards as if they have been over come by some magical force. It is called by those who do it as the Holy Ghost.

Now the problem is that there are NO examples of "Slain in the Spirit" any where in the Bible.

The only suggestion of such an event is the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus was arrested. Now notice, ALL the people there were lost and were the enemies of God and when they fell down, they fell backwards.

Every single Bible verse I know of when someone came into the presence of an angle or Christ they fell FORWARD in worship.

You said "abuses" (plural) and mention only one phenomenon: slain in the Spirit. Does that weaken your faith through your anger?

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
What?! Ha Ha! I say this in a good spirit, but I think you just went a little overboard, lol. You do know that there are men in this Forum who will probably take exception to those words.

LOL..........Yes I do!

Actually what I said was from a book by Dr. J. Vernon MaGee, Volume #4 where he explains exactly what I am talking about.

He taught as I believe that the "Sign" gifts were valid and were given to the apostles and ended with the death of John the Revelator. That is the theological teaching called......"Sessationism."

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Yes. I have been around and in the church for 50 years. The abuses I see now are very disturbing to me.

I understand. And there are indeed abuses, and reasons to be concerned. Only I take the position that we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Major1 said:
Every single Bible verse I know of when someone came into the presence of an angle or Christ they fell FORWARD in worship.

This one is hard to prove. I think when a person falls out they pretty much fall out however they fall out. Neither John nor Daniel gave specifics about what happened in their case. But again, there are certainly abuses. Anytime you see a person getting pushed, you can rest assured you are most likely witnessing charlatanism.

pescador · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Without the Bible which is the Word of God, can you tell me how you would have known about the Saviour who I agree is a living person?

I and many,many, many other people who learned about Jesus through the spoken word. I couldn't begin to guess how many of them were illiterate.

I was a serious atheist when I first heard the Gospel, then I was healed in the hospital when a pastor prayed out loud: "Jesus, heal this man."

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

pescador said:
You said "abuses" (plural) and mention only one phenomenon: slain in the Spirit. Does that weaken your faith through your anger?

No sir it does not. I did not say I was angry.

We can talk about any other abuse you would like to consider as I only used one example at a time.

Please understand that I am not going to argue with you and your beliefs. If you are happy in what you do and are not troubled by the things you see or do, well then God bless you my brother.

pescador · Aug 23, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
I understand. And there are indeed abuses, and reasons to be concerned. Only I take the position that we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This one is hard to prove. I think when a person falls out they pretty much fall out however they fall out. Neither John nor Daniel gave specifics about what happened in their case. But again, there are certainly abuses. Anytime you see a person getting pushed, you can rest assured you are most likely witnessing charlatanism.

And when someone is lightly touched, then what? I have never seen anyone slain in the Spirit who was pushed.

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
LOL..........Yes I do!

I speak in tongues, you character. And you'll notice my avatar isn't exactly wearing a skirt, LoL.

Btw, I believe the proper spelling is Cessationism.

pescador · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
No sir it does not. I did not say I was angry.

We can talk about any other abuse you would like to consider as I only used one example at a time.

Please understand that I am not going to argue with you and your beliefs. If you are happy in what you do and are not troubled by the things you see or do, well then God bless you my brother.

The same to you. However, I didn't equate the gifts of the Spirit with abuse.

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
I understand. And there are indeed abuses, and reasons to be concerned. Only I take the position that we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This one is hard to prove. I think when a person falls out they pretty much fall out however they fall out. Neither John nor Daniel gave specifics about what happened in their case. But again, there are certainly abuses. Anytime you see a person getting pushed, you can rest assured you are most likely witnessing charlatanism.

I will not take the time to go through all of them but, the Old Testament has many examples of saints who fell to the ground. In Genesis 15:12-18 for one is when Abraham was put to sleep horror and great darkness fell upon him, but it was not pleasant. This was a special event signifying God’s covenant with Abraham as God told about his offspring’s future. This act was not repeated for any of his descendents. Notice the passage indicates that the experience was not enjoyable. Genesis 17:3 Abraham falls on his face, but this does not describe an involuntary act of being slain in the Spirit as some claim. Abraham fell face forward toward the ground on his own accord, in reverence, in an act of fully conscious worship.

Many fell backwards in Scripture, but it was not a blessing! In 1 Samuel 4:18: Eli fell off his seat backwards on hearing of the death of his sons and the capture of the Ark and he died. Isaiah 28:13 the prophet speaks of God’s Word sent to refresh, but if not heard it became a judgment “that they may go and stumble backward, and be broken.” In all these examples it is a judgment, not a blessing! In 1 Samuel 28:20 we read of Saul immediately collapsing “full length” on the ground upon hearing of his impending death from Samuel after consulting the witch of Endor.

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

pescador said:
And when someone is lightly touched, then what? I have never seen anyone slain in the Spirit who was pushed.

Look around. You'll see it on Youtube if you look hard enough.
But again, while I acknowledge the presence of frauds, that's only a tool in the hands of Satan to undermine confidence in the true.

Amazing Horse · Aug 23, 2017

Yes it is , i speak in two tongues .

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
I speak in tongues, you character. And you'll notice my avatar isn't exactly wearing a skirt, LoL.

Btw, I believe the proper spelling is Cessationism.

Thank you. When you get to be my age you will not spell to goodly either I bet cha.

Please notice, I am not condemning anyone who speaks in tongues. It is your choice according to what you believe the Scriptures are saying to you.

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

pescador said:
I and many,many, many other people who learned about Jesus through the spoken word. I couldn't begin to guess how many of them were illiterate.

I was a serious atheist when I first heard the Gospel, then I was healed in the hospital when a pastor prayed out loud: "Jesus, heal this man."

I understand. However my dear friend, if there was no Bible which contained the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ then there would not be a story for you to hear. Someone who read the Bible had to read it first and then speak to someone who could not read or write.

And your being healed in the hospital conforms to what I posted from James 5. The faithful prayer of a believer will avail much.

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
I will not take the time to go through all of them but, the Old Testament has many examples of saints who fell to the ground. In Genesis 15:12-18 for one is when Abraham was put to sleep horror and great darkness fell upon him, but it was not pleasant. This was a special event signifying God’s covenant with Abraham as God told about his offspring’s future. This act was not repeated for any of his descendents. Notice the passage indicates that the experience was not enjoyable. Genesis 17:3 Abraham falls on his face, but this does not describe an involuntary act of being slain in the Spirit as some claim. Abraham fell face forward toward the ground on his own accord, in reverence, in an act of fully conscious worship.

Many fell backwards in Scripture, but it was not a blessing! In 1 Samuel 4:18: Eli fell off his seat backwards on hearing of the death of his sons and the capture of the Ark and he died. Isaiah 28:13 the prophet speaks of God’s Word sent to refresh, but if not heard it became a judgment “that they may go and stumble backward, and be broken.” In all these examples it is a judgment, not a blessing! In 1 Samuel 28:20 we read of Saul immediately collapsing “full length” on the ground upon hearing of his impending death from Samuel after consulting the witch of Endor.

I appreciate that, but I just feel you're making sort of an arbitrary distinction, i.e. too much out of how a person "falls as dead." As you yourself know, men fall dead on the battlefield all the time. I've never heard of how they fell dead being a reflection of their character.

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

Amazing Horse said:
Yes it is , i speak in two tongues .

So do they call you......"Forked tongue".

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
I appreciate that, but I just feel you're making sort of an arbitrary distinction, i.e. too much out of how a person "falls as dead." As you yourself know, men fall dead on the battlefield all the time. I've never heard of how they fell dead being a reflection of their character.

Men falling in combat really does not equate to slain in the spirit. Combat falling can come in many different ways due to the wound, the location, the type of wound and so forth but none of them are from seeing deity.

I am saying that the examples in the Bible show men falling forward as in worship when they are in the presence of deity.

The gang who arrested Jesus were all enemies and when He spoke the word they fell backwards because they were all lost men. I am not saying that any of them feel as dead or that they died, only that they fell backwards away from deity.

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Thank you. When you get to be my age you will not spell to goodly either I bet cha.

LoL. I've considered hiring a spell checker. Can't stand posting and then turning around and realizing what I wrote made me look nearly illiterate. :doh:

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