Star of Bethlehem and coming Astronomical event

dannheim · Aug 8, 2017

This event last occurred on September 23 6 BC and is going to happen on September 23 2017. Could this possibly be our Lord's real birthday?

Korean-American Christian · Aug 8, 2017

dannheim said:
This event last occurred on September 23 6 BC and is going to happen on September 23 2017. Could this possibly be our Lord's real birthday?

My dear brother (and fellow Californian),

much Shalom in Yeshua.

May G-D bless you

Sanoy · Aug 8, 2017

I take it very seriously but I don't know what it means given that we won't know the day or hour, and it will come when we don't expect it. This event, as incredibly significant as it is, is the opposite of those warnings.

Whatever happens on that day don't gather to any place.
Matthew 24:
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

[The carcase being the false Christ, and the eagles/vultures those that seek him. The verse is likely making reference to the valley of decision and the feast of the birds at the same time.]

The Lord will gather you Himself.
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

SBC · Aug 8, 2017

dannheim said:
This event last occurred on September 23 6 BC and is going to happen on September 23 2017. Could this possibly be our Lord's real birthday?

Real birthday?

Heb.7
[1] For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Who is the King of Jerusalem, Priest of the most high God, King of righteousness, King of Peace, without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; who is like the Son of God? But he who is the Son of God?

Heb 13
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

His manifestation was revealed on earth in the likeness as a man, called born, as men are called born, when they become manifested on earth, And yes, a "star" was seen in the sky, and he was presented with gifts appropriate for gifts to be given a king.

It was a fulfillment of prophecy.

Num 17
[17] I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

Exact day? Who's to know? Days, months, minutes, hours were not set by God to be the same from year to year; that was man's invention.

A sign for us? Perhaps. However those who are saved and born again, are already prepared. We do not need to look for the Lord; He knows where we are.

God Bless,
SBC

redleghunter · Aug 8, 2017

dannheim said:
This event last occurred on September 23 6 BC and is going to happen on September 23 2017. Could this possibly be our Lord's real birthday?

Do you have an official astronomical site confirming this? Don't see anything of note at this site:

Astronomy Calendar of Celestial Events 2017 - Sea and Sky

Yarddog · Aug 8, 2017

dannheim said:
This event last occurred on September 23 6 BC and is going to happen on September 23 2017. Could this possibly be our Lord's real birthday?

I certainly hope no one takes this guy seriously.

dysert · Aug 8, 2017

Well, there's a half hour of my life I won't get back. Even though I watched the whole thing, he lost me near the beginning when he said that Jesus was born at 0 AD.

One other point. The Rev. 12 vision relates to Jesus' birth, not His second coming.

I will say one positive thing. The guy is pretty good at the whiteboard.

Gluttonous Winebibber · Aug 8, 2017

dysert said:
Well, there's a half hour of my life I won't get back. Even though I watched the whole thing, he lost me near the beginning when he said that Jesus was born at 0 AD.

One other point. The Rev. 12 vision relates to Jesus' birth, not His second coming.

I will say one positive thing. The guy is pretty good at the whiteboard.

If you just skip to the last ~2 minutes, that seems to be accurate and sincere.

pat34lee · Aug 12, 2017

dysert said:
Well, there's a half hour of my life I won't get back. Even though I watched the whole thing, he lost me near the beginning when he said that Jesus was born at 0 AD.

One other point. The Rev. 12 vision relates to Jesus' birth, not His second coming.

I will say one positive thing. The guy is pretty good at the whiteboard.

Why do you think John would receive a vision years after Jesus' death about a
series of signs in the heavens that would only occur once in all of history, on
9/23/2017, that would be about his birth?

dysert · Aug 12, 2017

pat34lee said:
Why do you think John would receive a vision years after Jesus' death about a
series of signs in the heavens that would only occur once in all of history, on
9/23/2017, that would be about his birth?

I'm not talking about 9/23/2017, and nor do I agree with the whiteboard demonstration in the OP. I offer up an alternate explanation for the Rev. 12 vision of the woman. This is not original with me but comes from Dr. Michael Heiser, who holds his Ph.D. in the Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages.

Heiser goes through something similar to the whiteboard demonstration in the OP, but instead assumes the sun and moon in Rev. 12 are actually the sun and the moon. According to his research, the sun is in Virgo and the moon under Virgo's feet for a short period of time during the period of time around Jesus' birth. His conclusion based on the astronomy (and the constellations) is that the Rev. 12 sign was for Jesus' birth (with this I agree), and that this occurred on September 11, 3 BC.

You can read all the details in Heiser's book, "Reversing Hermon" if you're interested.

dannheim · Aug 13, 2017

pat34lee said:
Why do you think John would receive a vision years after Jesus' death about a
series of signs in the heavens that would only occur once in all of history, on
9/23/2017, that would be about his birth?

Good point. That was also my take on this. I would like to see some confirmation that this event is going to happen as the video suggested.

Copperhead · Aug 21, 2017

Sanoy said:
I take it very seriously but I don't know what it means given that we won't know the day or hour, and it will come when we don't expect it. This event, as incredibly significant as it is, is the opposite of those warnings.

Rosh Hashanah is called the "day that no many knows" in Jewish tradition and in countless Jewish writings. That is because it is the only Biblical festival that falls on the first of the month and the first of the month can only be confirmed as starting when two or more of the Jewish leadership confirm the new moon, which is the head or start of the month. And Rosh Hashanah is a two day festival. So even if one knows the day it starts, there is no way to know which day of the festival a prophecy event might occur during the festival. So it would not violate the "no one knows the day or the hour" to still be applicable.

Given how God was such a stickler for the spring festival fulfillment by the Messiah (Passover, First Fruits, Pentacost), it is reasonable to assume that the fall festivals will also have to do with the end times and Messiah's second coming.

This celestial convergence that is to occur at Rosh Hashanah this year has been tied to the description of the woman, the child, and the dragon in Revelation 12 by some. They make a very strong case. Whether it is really true, I have no clue. I am still investigating it. But on that idea, I have held that the removal of the righteous will occur at a future Rosh Hashanah. One of the main contentions is that the church is the body of Christ, was conceived at Pentacost, has been in gestation since, and now is ready to be born (via the rapture). The child being born is the Church, not a reference to the birth of the Messiah. Has some logic to it, but needs further research.

Do a search for Scott Clarke on YouTube and he has some very detailed astronomical analysis on this celestial convergence and that is might be tied to Revelation 12. Very interesting even if ends up not being accurate.

Sanoy · Aug 22, 2017

Copperhead said:
Rosh Hashanah is called the "day that no many knows" in Jewish tradition and in countless Jewish writings.

I had no idea! Thank you for sharing that.

It has always been peculiar to me for Jesus to say 'no one knows the day or hour'. Why not just say "no one knows". Why narrow the scope of the statement by adding those specifics ? This could really explain it.

Copperhead · Aug 22, 2017

Sanoy said:
I had no idea! Thank you for sharing that.

It has always been peculiar to me for Jesus to say 'no one knows the day or hour'. Why not just say "no one knows". Why narrow the scope of the statement by adding those specifics ? This could really explain it.

Darn spell checker! Your quoting my post showed me that sometimes I would love to take my pump 12 gauge and empty a load of buckshot into my laptop computer!

That was supposed to say that Rosh Hashanah is called "the day no man knows".

Sanoy · Aug 23, 2017

Copperhead said:
Darn spell checker! Your quoting my post showed me that sometimes I would love to take my pump 12 gauge and empty a load of buckshot into my laptop computer!

That was supposed to say that Rosh Hashanah is called "the day no man knows".

I studied it some more and apparently there is a comet, 67p, that will be near the feet of virgo, as if a dragons tail. The same tail that sweeps the stars.

I read revelation 12 again and I noticed a lot of things I never noticed before. There are large gaps in the story that may make sense of this sign should it turn out to be the real thing.

Part 1. So the women gives birth to Jesus, Jesus gets taken up to heaven and satan is kicked out of heaven. satan was kicked out of heaven in Luke 10:18 because that is when Jesus began to wage ware against the heavenly powers over the nations. This is the chapter where Jesus sends out his 70/2 disciples as an invasion force in reference to the table of nations. The woman runs into the wilderness for 1260 days (half a tribulation). While in the wilderness the sign does not appear. This completes verse 1-12.

----Indeterminate gap between the first half of the tribulation and the second half of the tribulation--------

Part 2. After verse 12 The woman appears again, no longer in the wilderness but present in the sky. However she has been giving birth continually during the 1260 days in the wilderness because verse 17 declares that she has multiple offspring...each and every one of us. Now this time she doesn't have to run to the wilderness. This time she is given wings. Matthew 24:13 tells us that we will be gathered by the angels at the sound of the trumpet. If the woman is the corporate church this may be a reference to the rapture.

--------Rapture?----------

Part 3. As the woman is flying toward the wilderness the devil, who cannot reach her, tries to strike at her through a flood. However it fails. (if this is the rapture we should expect a retaliation that will fail) The woman escapes the flood and goes back into the wilderness for the later half of the tribulation where she continues to give birth. The devil now turns his attention to her offspring and makes war directly with them for the rest of the tribulation. This could be Israel and any Christian that arises after the rapture. Israel has a specific part to play after the time of the Gentiles where they turn to Christ.

Copperhead · Aug 23, 2017

That is quite a stretch to make the birth a long term event. Especially in light of....

Isaiah 66:7-8 (NKJV) “Before she was in labor, she gave birth;
Before her pain came,
She delivered a male child.
8 Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.

Jeremiah 30:6-7 (NKJV) Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob's trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.

Queller · Aug 23, 2017

dannheim said:
This event last occurred on September 23 6 BC and is going to happen on September 23 2017. Could this possibly be our Lord's real birthday?

"the Pope came to America, something the world had never seen before"

What is he talking about? The Pope has visited America many times.

Copperhead · Aug 23, 2017

Queller said:
"the Pope came to America, something the world had never seen before"

What is he talking about? The Pope has visited America many times.

That is true.

Sanoy · Aug 29, 2017

Sanoy said:
I studied it some more and apparently there is a comet, 67p, that will be near the feet of virgo, as if a dragons tail. The same tail that sweeps the stars.

I read revelation 12 again and I noticed a lot of things I never noticed before. There are large gaps in the story that may make sense of this sign should it turn out to be the real thing.

Part 1. So the women gives birth to Jesus, Jesus gets taken up to heaven and satan is kicked out of heaven. satan was kicked out of heaven in Luke 10:18 because that is when Jesus began to wage ware against the heavenly powers over the nations. This is the chapter where Jesus sends out his 70/2 disciples as an invasion force in reference to the table of nations. The woman runs into the wilderness for 1260 days (half a tribulation). While in the wilderness the sign does not appear. This completes verse 1-12.

----Indeterminate gap between the first half of the tribulation and the second half of the tribulation--------

Part 2. After verse 12 The woman appears again, no longer in the wilderness but present in the sky. However she has been giving birth continually during the 1260 days in the wilderness because verse 17 declares that she has multiple offspring...each and every one of us. Now this time she doesn't have to run to the wilderness. This time she is given wings. Matthew 24:13 tells us that we will be gathered by the angels at the sound of the trumpet. If the woman is the corporate church this may be a reference to the rapture.

--------Rapture?----------

Part 3. As the woman is flying toward the wilderness the devil, who cannot reach her, tries to strike at her through a flood. However it fails. (if this is the rapture we should expect a retaliation that will fail) The woman escapes the flood and goes back into the wilderness for the later half of the tribulation where she continues to give birth. The devil now turns his attention to her offspring and makes war directly with them for the rest of the tribulation. This could be Israel and any Christian that arises after the rapture. Israel has a specific part to play after the time of the Gentiles where they turn to Christ.

This last section. Part 3 above. It's in the heavens as well. After Michael(Ophiuchus) throws the dragon down to earth a new part of the heavens becomes relevant. If you look to Libra's right there is a dragon (snake) running the full length of Libra. Now this dragon goes after the woman again and she is given 2 great wings of an eagle. Between Libra and the snake is a bird constellation. Then the Dragon pours out water from its mouth after the woman. Between Libra and the snake is a "Cup" shaped constellation. Even that part is in the heavens!

dannheim · Aug 29, 2017

Copperhead said:
That is true.

Yes our family went to see John Paul II back on Sep 11th 1987 in Columbia SC.

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