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Yes sir, he is a MAN, that's why Rev. 17:9-10 we see the "Kingdoms" converted to "Kings", or as I like to put it we see God via John "Reducing" as in 10/20, 5/10 to 1/2. That is what those two verses do, they tell us this last BEAST will be a MAN not a Kingdom per se.

Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (Greek word OROS, One who arises above the Plains/KINGS), on which the woman sitteth. (The Harlot/False Religion, is co-mingled with these KINGS and thus she RIDES THE BEAST)

10 And there are seven kings(Reduced to KINGS instead of KINGDOMS): five are fallen, and one is (ROME), and the other is not yet come(Little Horn or Anti-Christ); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (7 Years or so, with him being the BEAST for only 3.5 Years.)

So why did God REDUCE the Kingdoms to KINGS? He wanted us to realize the Last BEAST will be a MAN....a lone MAN, who will both begin the Kingdom and will also FALL unlike all the other BEASTS he will start and end on top, hence he is here but a "Short Time". The Beasts were Kingdoms, God wants us to know this BEAST will be a Man with no successors !!



Well they do mention A SINGULAR Anti-Christ in one verse, but your point is taken. But Like I told someone else, it doesn't matter if we call THIS MAN Concrete, as long as we understand who we are speaking about. Point being, we have taken the 10-20 names he is known under, such as the Little Horn, BEAST, Man of Sin, Man of Lawlessness, The Assyrian etc. etc. etc. and we have placed them all under ONE MONIKER in purpose in order to clarify who we as Christians see this man as being, so we use THE ANTI-CHRIST and its justified IMHO, because of ONE VERSE, however, it wouldn't matter, as long as Christendom understand who we are speaking about, its really irrelevant. SEE 1 John 2:18, notice the Holman capitalizes the A in Anti-Christ.

1 John 2:18 (KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist(specific antichrist mentioned....THAT) shall come, even now are there many antichrists (So THAT antichrist is speaking about a SPECIFIC MAN/Singular); whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:18 (HOLMAN) Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard, "Antichrist is coming," even now many antichrists have come. We know from this that it is the last hour.

Notice how Holman GETS IT? The verse is speaking about THAT ANTI-CHRIST, a specific person, not a Spirit that is just against Christ Jesus. Its like saying EVIL is upon the world but "THAT EVIL" (Personification) will come [later].

So I truly think people make way too much of this whole " he is never called the Anti-Christ", because I personally think he is technically call THAT ANTI-CHRIST, and even if he wasn't, it wouldn't matter because the Man of Sin, the Assyrian, the BEAST and the Little Horn are all ANTI-CHRIST in their Nature when mentioned and of course they are all the SAME PERSON. So we unify them under ONE MONIKER.




Isn't the Man of Sin/Little Horn/BEAST antichrist? The stands AGAINST CHRIST, of course he does brother. No one ever insists he is the only one who stands against Christ, that's a given.

Apollyon is the 8th. Of course Satan is over him.

The answer lies WITHIN A SUN WORSHIPING TITLE of Supreme Religious Authority that has existed for OVER 2300 years

Daniel 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

The little horn is credited with
Daniel 8:11
Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

Start there.

Who did that?

With great love,
Lee
 
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The 10 Horns Arise and the Little Horn arises among them, he speaks blasphemies, he is killed at Armageddon and judged immediately, and cast into hell. (The Story is finished BUT and addendum is added, this Last Beast is JUDGED and cast into HELL as soon as he is Destroyed, but Daniel/Gabriel wants us to know that the OTHER BEASTS will not meet the same fate, they will live on after their dominion is taken away.
Well, that simply does not correspond to what it says in Revelation. The person is cast alive into the lake of fire as is the false prophet. The false prophet is not mentioned in Daniel 7. It is not a question of style of writing.

We don't know if the world sees the lake of fire or not. It is very possible that a portal is opened and the lake of fire seen - as they are cast into the portal.

After the person and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire, the remanent (the ones gathered to make war on Jesus) are slain. They are killed in direct contrast to the beast (the little horn person) being cast alive into the lake of fire.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Everyone confuses the Four Beasts and think that's it, but the Little Horn will be a Beast also, 2000 years after Romes ceased being a Beast over Israel in 125 AD.
In the Revelation 13, the head that is mortally wounded on the beast coming out of the sea (which has ten horns) - what beast of Daniel 7 is that head on?

Daniel 7:
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
 
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1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


IF there IS a SINGULAR ANTI-CHRIST

What SPIRIT IS anti . . . . .Christ?

Satan? THE EIGHTH?

It is a fairy tale that there will a SINGULAR HUMAN "antiChrist.
I think the spirit of antichrist is the essence of the traits of the coming singular antichrist, found in some persons. John was likening some of them in his day to coming antichrist (the singular person) by calling them "antichrists".
 
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The answer lies WITHIN A SUN WORSHIPING TITLE of Supreme Religious Authority that has existed for OVER 2300 years

Daniel 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

The little horn is credited with
Daniel 8:11
Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

Start there.

Who did that?

With great love,
Lee
Its not Antiochus, the Little Horn is an End Time being. If you read the text closely you will notice the word most commonly used for DAY (YOWM) is not used here, but instead they use two words ereb for DUSK and boqer for DAWN so the 2300 is not DAYS but they are actually referencing the TWICE DAILY SACRIFICE which is mentioned in Daniel 9:21 ............... Thus you get the Morning Sacrifice and the Evening Sacrifice better known as the Oblation or PAYING HOMAGE to God. Instead of 2300 Days you need to understand its 2300 Daily Sacrifices/Oblations which mean you must cut in half the number of Days. That brings is to 1150 days.

Proof is verse 26 which has the EXACT SAME two words but instead of using "Days" it uses "Evening and Morning".

26 And the vision of the evening (EREB) and the morning (BOQER) which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

So the exact same reference is translated in two different ways (LOL). Its DAYS in verse 11 and Evening and Morning in verse 26.

Dan 9:26 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. (Notice there is a Morning and Evening Oblation unto God).

Leviticus 6:20 This is the offering of Aaron and of his sons, which they shall offer unto the LORD in the day when he is anointed; the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a meat offering perpetual, half of it in the morning, and half thereof at night.

There is no 2300 Days, its 2300 OBLATIONS unto God. Or 1150 Days. In Dan. 8:11 there is no SACRIFICE the translators added that, its just THE DAILY is taken away. It means Oblation, but it used to be a Sacrifice, my hunch is by the time the BEAST takes this away it will not be a SACRIFICE because Israel will have accepted Jesus as their Messiah by then, it is just an OBLATION (Honoring of God) to God via Jesus Christs blood, that is what the BEAST takes away. If they were offering Meat Sacrifices then the BEAST could defile the Temple, it would already be defiled. They are paying TRIBUTE (OBLATION means honor/tribute) to Jesus Christ, thus the BEAST takes it away and defiles the Temple of God.
 
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Well, that simply does not correspond to what it says in Revelation. The person is cast alive into the lake of fire as is the false prophet. The false prophet is not mentioned in Daniel 7. It is not a question of style of writing.

Remember, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, meaning, just because Daniel doesn't mention the False Prophet doesn't really apply at all, God chooses to reveal what He so desires at the time He so desires to whom He so desires to fit His own needs of course.

Every person that's cast into hell will be cast in Alive, not sleeping, you might not grasp this, but just because you don't have a body doesn't mean we are not alive. The proof that the Little Horn is the BEAST is overwhelming brother.

After the person and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire, the remanent (the ones gathered to make war on Jesus) are slain. They are killed in direct contrast to the beast (the little horn person) being cast alive into the lake of fire.

They are killed, and go to the GRAVE for 1000 years to be Judged in the Second Resurrection. That's they whole point, these two NEVER are allowed to SLEEP or go to the Grave, they are Judged straight away and cast into hell. Of course they are alive, Spiritually, whereas the other will sleep for 1000 years. Then they will be judged.

Dan. 7:11 clearly tells you his body is DESTROYED.
 
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Every person that's cast into hell will be cast in Alive, not sleeping, you might not grasp this, but just because you don't have a body doesn't mean we are not alive. The proof that the Little Horn is the BEAST is overwhelming brother.
When the bible says asleep in Christ, it means that the body we have in this lifetime is dead.

The little horn will become the beast, but the little horn is not the beast of Daniel 7:11. The little horn is the little horn on the beast of Daniel 7:11.

They are killed, and go to the GRAVE for 1000 years to be Judged in the Second Resurrection. That's they whole point, these two NEVER are allowed to SLEEP or go to the Grave, they are Judged straight away and cast into hell. Of course they are alive, Spiritually, whereas the other will sleep for 1000 years. Then they will be judged.

When Satan is cast into the lake of fire - it says the beast and false prophet are there. No-one comes out of the lake of fire.

After Satan is cast into the lake of fire to join the beast and the false prophet, the great white throne judgement takes place, hell giving up its dead - not the lake of fire. Hell, the place, and death the last enemy, are then cast into the lake of fire.

Following the Great White Throne judgement, no one is cast into hell, but the lake of fire.
 
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I think the spirit of antichrist is the essence of the traits of the coming singular antichrist, found in some persons. John was likening some of them in his day to coming antichrist (the singular person) by calling them "antichrists".


Douggg,
I am so very thankful for you. As I said before, your instruction appears to be regarding things which have yet to come regarding the EU.

My instruction has been in the past fulfillment of prophecy up to this point in time, in order to ascertain our exact place in time within prophecy.


We agree that there WILL BE A SINGULAR SON OF PERDITION which shall be revealed as the eighth.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;



ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, not Lee,

God IS A SPIRIT
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Ephesians 6:14
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;


Satan ALSO IS A SPIRIT. The SPIRIT OF ERROR which deceives away from truth;
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


Satan was cast OUT OF Heaven, and INTO the earth

Therefore, there ALREADY IS a "SPIRIT OF" "anti-Christ".

And THAT SINGULAR SPIRIT IS; the God of 100 names;
Satan
Lucifer
Mithras
Baal
Marduk
Shamash
Enlil
Chemosh
Devil


AT THE APPOINTED TIME,
it is THIS SINGULAR SPIRIT,
the Devil,
that WILL BE ALLOWED BY GOD to MOVE FROM the Spiritual realm that humans CANNOT SEE,
into a "physical form" that humans CAN PERCEIVE.

Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not(SATAN); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit(OF LIES), and go into perdition(destruction): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold(physically see) the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he(SATAN) is the eighth, and is of the seven(HARLOT HEADS/ HARLOT KINGDOMS), and goeth into perdition.



I have not asked you to believe my TESTIMONY.

I have simply given you resources I was led to;
sevenheadedscarletbeast.blogspot.com

and I only ASKED you if it were your desire, to verify those things as;
-truth to be embraced,
-or falsehood to be discarded.


All I have offered is the TESTIMONY of 5 TRUTHFUL witness's.

In order to understand their story, you have to start at the beginning, for without ALL of THE EVIDENCE, what is revealed would be totally beyond belief.


The next statement will prove it!


Satan is the anti-Christ which WILL rise up AS THE EIGHTH,
out of the EU
which WILL become the 7th Head of the 7 headed scarlet beast,
when America(the 6th HEAD/MOUNTAIN/KINGDOM "Christian World Superpower" to rule upon the face of the earth)
is destroyed in 1 hour by 10 kings WITHOUT a GEOGRAPHICAL KINGDOM to rule.


That is NOT my Story. That is the TESTIMONY of the 5 witness's.
 
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Its not Antiochus, the Little Horn is an End Time being. If you read the text closely you will notice the word most commonly used for DAY (YOWM) is not used here, but instead they use two words ereb for DUSK and boqer for DAWN so the 2300 is not DAYS but they are actually referencing the TWICE DAILY SACRIFICE which is mentioned in Daniel 9:21 ............... Thus you get the Morning Sacrifice and the Evening Sacrifice better known as the Oblation or PAYING HOMAGE to God. Instead of 2300 Days you need to understand its 2300 Daily Sacrifices/Oblations which mean you must cut in half the number of Days. That brings is to 1150 days.

Proof is verse 26 which has the EXACT SAME two words but instead of using "Days" it uses "Evening and Morning".

26 And the vision of the evening (EREB) and the morning (BOQER) which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

So the exact same reference is translated in two different ways (LOL). Its DAYS in verse 11 and Evening and Morning in verse 26.

Dan 9:26 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. (Notice there is a Morning and Evening Oblation unto God).

Leviticus 6:20 This is the offering of Aaron and of his sons, which they shall offer unto the LORD in the day when he is anointed; the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a meat offering perpetual, half of it in the morning, and half thereof at night.

There is no 2300 Days, its 2300 OBLATIONS unto God. Or 1150 Days. In Dan. 8:11 there is no SACRIFICE the translators added that, its just THE DAILY is taken away. It means Oblation, but it used to be a Sacrifice, my hunch is by the time the BEAST takes this away it will not be a SACRIFICE because Israel will have accepted Jesus as their Messiah by then, it is just an OBLATION (Honoring of God) to God via Jesus Christs blood, that is what the BEAST takes away. If they were offering Meat Sacrifices then the BEAST could defile the Temple, it would already be defiled. They are paying TRIBUTE (OBLATION means honor/tribute) to Jesus Christ, thus the BEAST takes it away and defiles the Temple of God.

I know Its not Antiochus,

Never mentioned Antiochus.

And I am thankful you realize it takes an evening and a morning to qualify as "a day".


But YOU just can't let go of the instruction of men can you?

You honestly believe the "Little Horn" is future and not past and present?

Do you think Satan would wait 2000 years to begin deceiving humans away from God letting 2000 years of humans escape?

As I said before, if you already have if figured out, I am not here to throw a wrench in your gears.

I cannot point you in a direction you refuse to go.

You know a lot, but your mind is still clouded by the malted hops and bong resin which is the understanding of men.

But that is THE HARDEST PART of moving from darkness, into the light. At least it was for me. And it appears you and I are no different in that regard. I fought it kicking and screaming too.

And then a voice in my head said; Did you come to teach, or to learn?


Maybe someday at the APPOINTED TIME, your heart, along with the multitude without number, will be opened to instruction, but right now it appears you can't take your teacher's hat off, that you might be instructed by one GREATER THAN men.

Not by the LEE STUV MEN

But know this my friend, IF what we know and expound upon is falsehood, and someone believes it, have we not become a tool to deceive men?

Do you fear such a thing?

I do!
 
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When the bible says asleep in Christ, it means that the body we have in this lifetime is dead.

The little horn will become the beast, but the little horn is not the beast of Daniel 7:11. The little horn is the little horn on the beast of Daniel 7:11.
Yes he is. He will always be, it is what t is.

Dan. 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. {Lets match this up via Scriptures}

1. Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

2. There were 10 Horns who arise with the Little Horn and with the Beast in Rev. 13, 12 and 17 we see that.

3. Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

1. Judgment Seats are set this is End Times.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain (Horn is called the BEAST), and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Rev.. 19:20
When Satan is cast into the lake of fire - it says the beast and false prophet are there. No-one comes out of the lake of fire.

After Satan is cast into the lake of fire to join the beast and the false prophet, the great white throne judgement takes place, hell giving up its dead - not the lake of fire. Hell, the place, and death the last enemy, are then cast into the lake of fire.

Following the Great White Throne judgement, no one is cast into hell, but the lake of fire.

No, you are reading HADES as HELL but HADES is also used for the Grave. The Judgment that comes after the 1000 years is when Satan is cast into the Burning Fire.

The Little Horn in Daniel 7 and 8 is the BEAST of Rev.
 
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2. There were 10 Horns who arise with the Little Horn and with the Beast in Rev. 13, 12 and 17 we see that.
No exactly.

RT, you need to look at that more closely. Take a look at the crowns on the heads/horns.

Revelation 17
heads - no crowns
horns - no crowns

Revelation 12

heads - crowns (the little horn in power, fulfilling the vision of the 7 kings_
horns - no crowns (the person is not the beast yet)

Revelation 13
heads - no crowns (the person killed, ending the vision of the 7 kings)
horns - crowns (the beast in power, they pledge their EU kingdom to him, and rule with the beast)

No one, the little horn, nor the ten kings are in power in Revelation 17. Because that chapter is timed first century.

The little horn in chapter 12 is in power (the heads have crowns), king 7 of the Roman Empire, fulfilling the 7 king prophecy of Revelation 17.

Revelation 12 (excluding the 5 opening verses to identify the woman as issue) contains the full 7 years. But since the person is not the beast then, the ten kings (horns) don't have their crowns in Revelation 12. Even though before the seven year begin, the ten kings are in power with the little horn.

The Little Horn in Daniel 7 and 8 is the BEAST of Rev.

Well we are really not disagreeing the little horn person become the beast of Revelation 13. It's your interpretation Daniel 7:11 that is the point of disagreement.

Your interpretation is this...

11I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast [the little horn] was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

my interpretation is this...

11I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast [the fourth kingdom] was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

If it were not talking about the beast as a kingdom - then the next verse would not make sense. 12As concerning the rest of the beasts [kingdoms] , they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
 
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Its not Antiochus, the Little Horn is an End Time being.

It would appear that you believe the "Little Horn" will NOT arise until the VERY End Times.

It is hard to see how you arrive at that conclusion for four reasons;

Based solely upon THE TESTIMONY OF DANIEL and "Documented Human History".



THE TESTIMONY OF DANIEL STATES that four kingdoms would arise out of Alexander's Greece AFTER his death

PROPHECY
Daniel 8 (KJV)
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

Amazing Coincidence
"Documented Human History" TESTIFIES FOUR KINGDOMS DID ARISE OUT OF GREECE after Alexander's death, but not in his power.

    • the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt
    • the Seleucid Empire in the east
    • the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor
    • Macedon


Reason #1

The TESTIMONY OF DANIEL states that OUT OF ONE OF THOSE FOUR,
    • the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt
    • the Seleucid Empire in the east
    • the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor
    • Macedon
a "Little Horn" would rise up.



PROPHECY
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them
The Ptolemaic Kingdom

The Seleucid Empire

Kingdom of Pergamon

Macedonia

came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.



Reason #2
The TESTIMONY OF DANIEL states that IN THE LATTER TIME OF THEIR
    • the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt
    • the Seleucid Empire in the east
    • the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor
    • Macedon
KINGDOM a "King /Satan/"Little Horn" SHALL STAND UP.



21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom,
The Ptolemaic Kingdom ended with the death of Cleopatra VII and the Roman conquest in 30 BC.

The Seleucid Empire existed from 312 BC to 63 BC;

Pergamon The Attalid kingdom was the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] state left after the collapse of the Lysimachian Empire. Attalus III bequeathed the kingdom to the Roman Republic in 133 BC

Macedonia Macedonia's decline began with the Macedonian Wars and the rise of Rome as the leading Mediterraneanpower. At the end of the Third Macedonian War in 168 BC, the Macedonian monarchy was abolished and replaced by Roman client states. A short-lived revival of the monarchy during the Fourth Macedonian War in 150–148 BC ended with the establishment of the Roman province of Macedonia.


when the transgressors are come to the full,
(Antiochus Ephranes sacrificed pig on altar)[established by King of Pergamon]


a king of fierce countenance(Little Horn), and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.


Reason #3
The latter time of THOSE FOUR KINGDOMS ENDED by 30 BC.

IF The "Little Horn" was to rise up out ONE OF THOSE FOUR, it HAD TO BE BEFORE 30 BC.

BECAUSE
Reason #4
These FOUR KINGDOMS NO LONGER EXIST for a "Little Horn" to RISE UP OUT OF IN THE END TIME.
 
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These FOUR KINGDOMS NO LONGER EXIST for a "Little Horn" to RISE UP OUT OF IN THE END TIME
Lee, the four kingdoms do not exist in the end times, as you say. But the vision of the little horn committing the transgression of desolation it says in the text is time of the end. 8:13...the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation... 8:17....for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

So it is necessary to reconcile the meaning of several verses.

In Daniel 8:23, in the latter time of their kingdom - not the latter time of four kingdoms. What is the their kingdom? The kingdom of the transgressors. In the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have come to a full.

"to the full" is the ten kings and the little horn in place.

The EU is that kingdom, but is not in the latter time of the EU yet because the ten kings are not in place. But soon, and also the little horn.

You went over 8:20, 8:21, 8:22. Gabriel was giving a review of the whole vision of Daniel 8, from the medes/persians, to the greeks, to the break up kingdoms.... to the end times kingdom of the transgressors.

8:20 the medes/persians
8:21 the greek kingdom
8:22 the break up kingdoms
8:23 end times kingdom of the little horn, and ten kings

Now we go back to 8:9, the little horn waxing strong from one of the four breakup kingdoms. It is not that the little horn lived back then. It is that in the end times (from 8:13 and 8:17), the little horn will move into the middle east, with a strong army from the territory of one of the former four breakup kingdoms.

You had listed those as:
1. Ptolemy's of Egypt
2. Seleucids of the East
3. Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor
4. Macedonia (the territory of Greece)

So which of those is north and west of Israel? Macedonia - today Greece. Greece happens to be the eastern most frontier of the EU.

In Daniel 9, there is the prince who shall come (from the Romans), who confirms the covenant for 7 years. In Ezekiel 39, the 7 years following Gog/Magog are the Daniel 9:27. 7 years.

So from that information, the little horn will assemble his EU army in Greece, and following Gog/Magog will move into the middle east. To commit the transgression of desolation, taking away the daily sacrifice, there some things that must happen first. The daily sacrifice has to be restarted.

But when? Well we know it will be 2300 days from the when the sacrifice in the end times is reinstituted, then stopped, then the temple cleansed. So day 2520 of the 7 years minus the 2300 days - the daily sacrifice will begin again on day 220 into the 7 years.

The little horn arriving in the middle east in the end times, his army coming from Greece, the territory of one of the four breakup kings.... arriving as the prince who shall come. Perceived by the Jews as their messiah, anointed the King of Israel, confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years as Moses required. A
downsized temple rebuilt, to expedite getting the sacrifices going again, about 7 months later.... Which everything flows along until 3 years, 3 months (thereabouts), the then Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation of Daniel 8:13, the act described in 2thessalonians2:4.
 
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Lee, the four kingdoms do not exist in the end times, as you say. But the vision of the little horn committing the transgression of desolation it says in the text is time of the end. 8:13...the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation... 8:17....for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

You had listed those as:
1. Ptolemy's of Egypt
2. Seleucids of the East
3. Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor
4. Macedonia (the territory of Greece)

So which of those is north and west of Israel? Macedonia - today Greece. Greece happens to be the eastern most frontier of the EU.

expedite getting the sacrifices going again, about 7 months later.... Which everything flows along until 3 years, 3 months (thereabouts), the then Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation of Daniel 8:13, the act described in 2thessalonians2:4.


It is a very simple, but disturbing story you are about to hear.

It is about the World's Greatest Mass Murderer that ever lived upon the face of the earth;

And HIS NAME in Daniel is called the "Little Horn". But in Revelation he is known as the Great Red Dragon, Serpent, Satan.


It is a disturbing story because. to identify YOUR own murderer, you will need to put on your very best "detective hat", because ALL you have to identify YOUR KILLER is clues.


And his GREATEST WEAPON is OUR OWN HUMAN PRIDE that we exclude ourselves from;
DECEIVED(to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid)
WHOLE(lacking NO PART)
WORLD(human existence)

The TESTIMONY you were given regarding the "Little Horn" coming out of ONE of the FOUR kingdoms that arose out of Alexander's Greece was truthful.

Daniel 8:9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.



Amazing Coincidence
One of those FOUR was Pergamos.


Amazing Coincidence
The TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST(if you can believe Him) tells us "Satan's Seat" was IN PERGAMOS. (Of course "Satan's Seat" wasn't a throne made out of wood or stone or any material. "Satan's Seat" WAS SATAN'S KINGDOM, not a chair!)

Revelation 2 (KJV)
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges(TRUTH);

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

So, . . . ACCORDING TO THE TESTIMONY OF DANIEL

The "Little Horn" was to come out of ONE OF THE FOUR KINGDOMS that arose out of Alexander's Greece
1. Ptolemy's of Egypt
2. Seleucids of the East
3. Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor
4. Macedonia (the territory of Greece)


The TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST(if you can believe it) tells us Satan's Seat(KINGDOM) was in Pergamos[one of those four kingdoms]

The TESTIMONY OF DOCUMENTED HUMAN HISTORY tells us that the Kingdom of Pergamon(SATAN'S KINGDOM) WAS BEQUEATHED(GIVEN) to Rome in 133 BC.
When Attalus III (138–133 BC) died without an heir in 133 BC, he bequeathed the whole of Pergamon to Rome in order to prevent a civil war.

Amazing Coincidence
Revelation 13:2

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard(greece), and his feet were as the feet of a bear(persians), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(babylonian)

: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.(KINGDOM)
[Pergamos inherited the ancient system of sun worship from Babylon]
he leader of Pergamos used the same ancient title and vestments as Babylonian priests.


Amazing Coincidence
Satan's Seat(Pergamos) given to Leopard/Bear/Lion Beast
Satan's Seat(Pergamos) given to Rome

Leopard/Bear/Lion Beast positively identified as Rome.
"Little Horn" identified as STANDING UP TO EXIST INSIDE ROME 133 BC


Daniel 7
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


IF you are EVER to identify YOUR KILLER, here are your first 2 clues. Better get it right, cause this aint no game. Get it wrong, you die.

#1.) and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it
-First three were Political/Military World Superpowers


#2.) and it had ten horns.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Amazing Coincidence
Rome disintegrated into 10 independent Kingdoms.

Amazing Coincidence
Three of those kingdoms were eventually destroyed in support of the Pope and ROMAN "Christianity"
-Alemanni destroyed by CLOVIS
-Ostrogoths and Vandals destroyed by Justinian
IS AMERICA - Great City Harlot Mystery Babylon Revelation 17? The Evidence is Overwhelming! : PART #19 - 10 KINGDOMS ARISE, 3 DESTROYED


I considered the horns(Kings), and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(king), before whom there were three of the first horns(kings) plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn(King) were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


Daniel 8
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Amazing Coincidence
Revelation 12:4
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.



11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host(Jesus Christ),
VICAR(latin for "instead")


and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
DOCUMENTED HUMAN HISTORY TESTIFIES THIS HAPPENED IN 70 AD


12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice(ENDED IN 70AD), and the transgression of desolation(INSTITUTED BY CONSTANTINE 321 AD.),

to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
(Both events happened more than 2300 DAYS APART, so TO INCLUDE BOTH WOULD BE A 2300 YEAR[day for a year] timeframe
Ezekiel 4 (KJV)
5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

All of this has already been typed and presented in greater detail at a web address that has been posted many times.


It would be much easier If you click the link than retyping everything.
 
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It is a very simple, but disturbing story you are about to hear.

It is about the World's Greatest Mass Murderer that ever lived upon the face of the earth;

And HIS NAME in Daniel is called the "Little Horn". But in Revelation he is known as the Great Red Dragon, Serpent, Satan.


It is a disturbing story because. to identify YOUR own murderer, you will need to put on your very best "detective hat", because ALL you have to identify YOUR KILLER is clues.
Well, the little horn is not my murder. Although I can agree that Satan is responsible for the death of every human being ever,

The little horn is a man who will receive power from Satan, as Satan will help him, and put the fallen angels and demons at his disposal.

What I think you need to do, Lee, is to build a start to finish scenario of the end times. Taking chunks of the end times passages in framented form is not going to reveal errors in one's interpretations.
 
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RT, you need to look at that more closely. Take a look at the crowns on the heads/horns.

Revelation 17
heads - no crowns
horns - no crowns

Revelation 12

heads - crowns (the little horn in power, fulfilling the vision of the 7 kings_
horns - no crowns (the person is not the beast yet)

Revelation 13
heads - no crowns (the person killed, ending the vision of the 7 kings)
horns - crowns (the beast in power, they pledge their EU kingdom to him, and rule with the beast)

No one, the little horn, nor the ten kings are in power in Revelation 17. Because that chapter is timed first century.The little horn in chapter 12 is in power (the heads have crowns), king 7 of the Roman Empire, fulfilling the 7 king prophecy of Revelation 17.

Revelation 12 (excluding the 5 opening verses to identify the woman as issue) contains the full 7 years. But since the person is not the beast then, the ten kings (horns) don't have their crowns in Revelation 12. Even though before the seven year begin, the ten kings are in power with the little horn.

I think we have been over this before, the Heads and Horns are KINGS you can announce they have CROWNS are NOT ANNOUNCE IT, but Kings have Crowns, that's a given. All three are the exact same Seven Headed Beast hence it has Seven Heads and Ten Horns in each chapter. The Heads are shown to have Crowns in 13, the Horns have Crowns in 12, there is no need in chapter 17 to emphasize this again, you forget there are no chapter and verses, John has already stated that both the Heads and the Horns were CROWNS so they were Kings, the Heads wee all Dead and Gone because they were Kingdom Beasts (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece) ROME was the one mentioned as.......ONE IS. And the BEAST/Anti-Christ or Little Horn is one that is YET TO COME.

There is but one Seven Headed Beast. No where is any Seven Heads of the Roman Empire ever mentioned or even inferred anywhere in the bible. Actually Rev. 12 is only about the 3.5 Years of Israel hiding in the Wilderness. I agree on Rev. 12:1-5.

All of the mentions of CROWNS...NO CROWNS, IMHO, is a total distraction, we all know that Horns are Kings and thus they have crowns, we all know the Beast Heads are Kingdoms and thus they Represent 5 Kings who have Fallen, ONE WHO IS an one who is YET TO COME, they are all Kings. The whole point of Rev. 17's description is to reduce the Kingdoms to Kings to show the Last Beast is a MAN, the Little Horn.

Well we are really not disagreeing the little horn person become the beast of Revelation 13. It's your interpretation Daniel 7:11 that is the point of disagreement.

Your interpretation is this...

11I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast [the little horn] was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

my interpretation is this...

11I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast [the fourth kingdom] was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

If it were not talking about the beast as a kingdom - then the next verse would not make sense. 12As concerning the rest of the beasts [kingdoms] , they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

That is because you assume that the writer is speaking about Kingdoms living on into the Millennium, which its not, its speaking about the Four Beasts in Daniel, then about the Little Horn Beast that arises out of the Fourth Beasts Footprint in Daniel. The Beast is a MAN and he is cast into the Burning Flame in verse 11.

Then Daniel says as for the rest of the Beasts speaking about the other Beasts mentioned in the first part of Daniel 7, they will live on after they lose their dominion, NOT after the Anti-Christ/Beast is thrown int the Burning Flame. Its like Daniel gives us the end to the LAST BEAST a Man, but he never tells what happened of the OTHER BEASTS, so Daniel comes back and tells THEIR PLIGHT. AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEASTS.....He comes back and tells what happened to them when each LOST THEIR DOMINION....Babylon of course continued a while, Alexander the Great lived and died there, then Babylon eventually was NO MORE, so the OTHER BEASTS can not go into the Millennium, because Babylon will be no more, its speaking about what happened to those BEASTS when they lost their Dominion, and that happened to all of them a LONG TIME AGO.

So my interpretation is this.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast [Little Horn] was slain, and his body(Fourth Beast is Rome who has NO BODY) destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Verses 23 and 24 tells you that the Little Horn and the Fourth Beast are two different Beasts.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom(ROME) upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,(Babylon, Persia, and Greece) and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise (Little Horn) after them; and he (MAN) shall be diverse from the first, (Roman Beast is the FIRST out of this Kingdom) and he shall subdue three kings.

Notice verse 24 doesn't say HE will be different from ALL THE BEASTS like verse 23 says BUT WHY? Because Verse 24 is the Little Horn, that is why he is called HE, and that's why it says HE is different from the FIRST (Beast from Rome) but not ALL THE BEASTS. Its as plain as day. These are two different Beasts.

That's why you have Rome as the Fourth Beast and the Little Horn is an END TIME BEAST.

God Bless....I am still trying to figure out the Rome point about Seven Heads of Rome, I truly don't get that at all.
 
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It would appear that you believe the "Little Horn" will NOT arise until the VERY End Times.

It is hard to see how you arrive at that conclusion for four reasons;

Based solely upon THE TESTIMONY OF DANIEL and "Documented Human History".

THE TESTIMONY OF DANIEL STATES that four kingdoms would arise out of Alexander's Greece AFTER his death

PROPHECY
Daniel 8 (KJV)
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

Amazing Coincidence
"Documented Human History" TESTIFIES FOUR KINGDOMS DID ARISE OUT OF GREECE after Alexander's death, but not in his power.


    • the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt

    • the Seleucid Empire in the east

    • the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor

    • Macedon
Reason #1
The TESTIMONY OF DANIEL states that OUT OF ONE OF THOSE FOUR,

    • the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt

    • the Seleucid Empire in the east

    • the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor

    • Macedon
a "Little Horn" would rise up.

A "Little Horn" will rise............but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full (Gods Bowls of Wrath are FILLED UP), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences (Riddles and Conundrums), shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people (42 Months).

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart (Says I a God), and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Jesus SEE Capital P); but he shall be broken without hand (Daniel 2 says the SAME THING when The Rock Smashes the Statue. Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

In Rev. 19 it says Jesus by the Sword of the Mouth will DESTROY the BEAST his Kings/Armies. Then in 2 Thessalonians 2 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

So the trend here shows Jesus will destroy the Wicked WITHOUT HANDS via the Holy Spirit.

I have to do another post to finish, I hit post by mistake. But as I have shown, this is an END TIME EVENT, when Jesus Christ (Prince of princes) Returns.
 
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PROPHECY
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them
The Ptolemaic Kingdom

The Seleucid Empire

Kingdom of Pergamon

Macedonia

came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
This means he is Born in the END TIMES out of one of the Four Kingdoms, and since he MOVES towards the South, East and towards the Holy Land, that would mean he is Born in GREECE and travels out from Macedonia, South, East and towards Israel, notice he doesn't travel WEST.

Reason #2
The TESTIMONY OF DANIEL states that IN THE LATTER TIME OF THEIR

    • the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt

    • the Seleucid Empire in the east

    • the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor

    • Macedon
KINGDOM a "King /Satan/"Little Horn" SHALL STAND UP.



21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom,

The Ptolemaic Kingdom ended with the death of Cleopatra VII and the Roman conquest in 30 BC.

The Seleucid Empire existed from 312 BC to 63 BC;

Pergamon The Attalid kingdom was the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] state left after the collapse of the Lysimachian Empire. Attalus III bequeathed the kingdom to the Roman Republic in 133 BC

Macedonia Macedonia's decline began with the Macedonian Wars and the rise of Rome as the leading Mediterraneanpower. At the end of the Third Macedonian War in 168 BC, the Macedonian monarchy was abolished and replaced by Roman client states. A short-lived revival of the monarchy during the Fourth Macedonian War in 150–148 BC ended with the establishment of the Roman province of Macedonia.

when the transgressors are come to the full,
(Antiochus Ephranes sacrificed pig on altar)[established by King of Pergamon]

a king of fierce countenance(Little Horn), and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

As shown above and in the other post, this IS an End Time Event. Greece is STILL A KINGDOM, so lets call it Macedonia. IN THE LATTER TIME OF THEIR KINGDOM !

Antiochus has absolutely nothing to do with this at all, nor can he. I will post my blog on this i another post.

Reason #3
The latter time of THOSE FOUR KINGDOMS ENDED by 30 BC.

IF The "Little Horn" was to rise up out ONE OF THOSE FOUR, it HAD TO BE BEFORE 30 BC.

Greece/Macedonia is still a Kingdom, the Prophecy didn't say in the LATTER TIME of your DOMINANT KINGDOM, it stated in the LATTER TIME of THEIR KINGDOM. As docile is Greece is, they are still a Kingdom and have been for eons, this is why Daniel 7:12 states as for the OTHER BEASTS, they lived on for a TIME and SEASON.

Reason #4
These FOUR KINGDOMS NO LONGER EXIST for a "Little Horn" to RISE UP OUT OF IN THE END TIME.
GREECE !!!
 
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It would appear that you believe the "Little Horn" will NOT arise until the VERY End Times.

The Birth Place of the Anti-Christ Revealed

Isaiah says the Anti-Christ is an Assyrian.The Anti-Christ is said to come to power via the fourth beast in the last days per Daniel Chapter Seven. The Anti-Christ is also said to arise out of the Grecian empire in the last days, so how do we reconcile these different understandings?

This is established fairly easily, Daniel did say the understandings would be bound up until the end. The Anti-Christ in Daniel chapters seven and eight is shown, if read properly, to arise out of two kingdoms at once, but how can this be?

Daniel chapter seven is fairly straightforward, we understand this to be about the four beast systems, the fourth beast is where the little horn (Anti-Christ) will arise out of, most everyone understands the fourth beast to have been Rome, but in the last days/end times this has to be the European Union.

Now Daniel chapter eight is explained in detail by Gabriel the angel, was the he goat (Alexander the Great) conquering Persia ( the Ram ) and Gabriel interpreted this dream for Daniel.

Daniel 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

We should note, this is speaking of the end time, it is not speaking of Antiochus who came before Jesus was even born. The word Indignation means: (Greek Word za'am meaning Gods Fury at Sin) so at the Last End of Indignation means right before Gods Judgment of Sin/Vials or Bowls of Gods Wrath (Revelation).

20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. ( The Four Generals that stood up in Alexanders stead were Ptolemy , Seleucus , Cassander and Lysimachus. )

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

This is clearly speaking about the end times/last days when the sins have come full/ bowls of Gods wrath, a fierce king shall arise out of one of the four kingdoms that stood up in Alexander the Greats Stead, speaking dark sentences (understanding Riddles and conundrums) and he comes to power.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: (Satan gives him Power SEE Rev. 13) and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, (he claims to Be God) and by peace shall destroy many {Through a Peace/Security Agreement he deceives many} he shall also stand up against the Prince (Jesus) of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Jesus destroys the Anti-Christ his kings and their armies without hand (with the Sword of the Spirit/Holy Spirit) by the countenance of his coming, Amen. This guy magnifies himself and says in the temple of God, I am God !!

Now, so many people say this is about Antiochus, so I always feel the need to prove that this is about the end times, when Gods wrath is come full. This is about the little horn/Anti-Christ. And he arises out of their kingdom in the last days, so in essence he arises out of one of the Four Generals kingdoms in the last days, but which one? Well, since the Anti-Christ arises out of the fourth beast also, then this other Kingdom has to lie within the borders of the European Union.

Only Cassander's kingdom of Greece is in the European Union !! The "Assyrian" arising from Greece would be very, very possible since Greece shares a border with Turkey, and many, many Turks live in Greece, so the Assyrian Anti-Christ is born in Greece, and comes to power in Greece, then in the European Union. But what does John say in Revelation about the Beast that arises out of the Sea? By the way, he was on Patmos, a small Greek Island when he saw this vision.

Rev. 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The Main body is described by John as like a leopard !!

Put it all together, the "Assyrian" Anti-Christ is born in Greece, of Turkish parents or grandparents , he comes to power in the European Union.

This is where the Anti-Christ is from.
 
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I think we have been over this before, the Heads and Horns are KINGS you can announce they have CROWNS are NOT ANNOUNCE IT,
But the bible does announce when they have their crowns or not.

The Heads are shown to have Crowns in 13, the Horns have Crowns in 12, there is no need in chapter 17 to emphasize this again, you forget there are no chapter and verses,
There originally were no chapters and verses - but the chapter breaks were placed whenever John sees another panorama.

Not only are the crowns/no crowns different in Chapters 12 and 17 from Chapter 13 - so too is the beast itself.

In Chapter 12, with the full 7 years left - the beast is pictured as Satan, the great red dragon - because the 17:8a beast, the disembodied ancient person is still in the bottomless pit at the beginning of the seven years.

In Chapter 17, the beast is pictured as a scarlet beast, again Satan, because back in the 1st century the 17:8 disembodied ancient person was the bottomless pit.

It is not until Chapter 13, the last 42 months that the disembodied ancient person is out of the bottomless pit, possessing the come back to life man of sin.

chapter 17 - first century, the sixth king was ruling at the time.
chapter 12 - the 7 years left. the seventh king has come to power
chapter 13 - the 42 months left. the seventh king has been killed/resurrected - as the beast possessed by the unclean spirit - together, the eighth king.
 
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