Is it okay to be a Christian and support same sex marriage?

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And once again (how many times does this need to be pointed out to you??), it never says that "the right thing to do" is what your personal opinion says it is.

That is always a personal opinion.
 
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But you haven't yet established that it does not say that. You keep insisting that it means something else without substantiating your claim.

I have no need to. I've come to my conclusion
after 20 years of experience in the faith and support
for the other conclusion being proven wrong time after time.
 
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I think you may be voicing what a number of Christians your age may be feeling on this issue. The answer to your specific question is yes, you can be a Christian and support those things. But the real question is should you. And the answer to that question would be no, you should not. It is a sin that our Lord despises because it is a demonic perversion of the what He intended sex to reflect. And it is leading countless souls to Hell for eternity, whether they "believe" this or not.

But welcome to CF, and yes, you posted this in the right place. :wave:


Only acts are condemned in the Bible, not attraction.

The Bible was written before people knew much about it.
 
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That is always a personal opinion.
I have no need to. I've come to my conclusion
after 20 years of experience in the faith and support
for the other conclusion being proven wrong time after time.
First it's opinion, then you say the other view was proven wrong.

So, proven or just opinion? Which is it?
 
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Did you see who I quoted? I wasn't talking to you.

Since when are these posts private? If it is a post, then it is fair game for a rebuttal or applause!
 
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Because I decide that's the right thing to do.

So if you decide it's the right thing to jump off the Empire State Building, it's okay for YOU?

Balderdash! There are things that are objectively moral, and things that are objectively immoral. To say that one is the other by your own standard is to heap scorn on Jesus Christ and the Bible.
 
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Since when are these posts private? If it is a post, then it is fair game for a rebuttal or applause!
But you start with a reply to me "I never said He wasn't", as if I indicated you had, and you're correcting me or something. But I was clearly quoting someone else and asking about what THEY said. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything you said.
 
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That is always a personal opinion.

WRONG! The Church, since it's beginning on the Day of Pentecost, has declared that some things are objectively right or wrong; good or evil. If you disagree with the Church, then you find yourself in the outer wilderness, wandering around. It is also easy for such a person to be sucked into any sort of cult or belief that will take them farther and farther away from Christ.

At one time, during my younger days, I fell in with such a group, and there was all sorts of weird things going on. We were all supposed to "sense" the color that God made us, and try to find others whose colors would blend with ours to make a new color.

We were also taught from the pulpit that our spirits had been waiting in eternity, and when God called us, we would take our place in the body that God felt was just right for us. I left that group at that time, as I KNEW, from the Bible and the teachings of the Church that the above idea was poppycock!
 
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So how many times in how many ways around CF does the subject need to be discussed? I submit it's the #1 "sin topic" by post volume.
If that's true than fair enough. But I had over 300 posts before ever talking about it. I like to refresh the New Posts link a lot and there it was.
 
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WRONG! The Church, since it's beginning on the Day of Pentecost, has declared that some things are objectively right or wrong; good or evil. If you disagree with the Church, then you find yourself in the outer wilderness, wandering around. It is also easy for such a person to be sucked into any sort of cult or belief that will take them farther and farther away from Christ.

At one time, during my younger days, I fell in with such a group, and there was all sorts of weird things going on. We were all supposed to "sense" the color that God made us, and try to find others whose colors would blend with ours to make a new color.

We were also taught from the pulpit that our spirits had been waiting in eternity, and when God called us, we would take our place in the body that God felt was just right for us. I left that group at that time, as I KNEW, from the Bible and the teachings of the Church that the above idea was poppycock!

I don't doubt that was your experience. But scripture
is a reflection of
the influence of the Holy Spirit which speaks directly
to each Humans mind,
even if they can't read.

Check out the following passages......there is
no scripture
or church
or group
or traditions
referenced at all.
The people involved might well be alone in the wilderness, illiterate, blind, and/or deaf:

Mathew 7:12
In everything then,
do unto others
as you would have them do unto you.

Psalm 37
19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

39 But the salvation of the righteous is from the LORD; He is their strength in time of trouble. 40 The LORD helps them and delivers them; He delivers them from the wicked and saves them, Because they take refuge in Him.

Psalm 22:4
In You our fathers trusted; They trusted and You delivered them.

Psalm 34:22
The LORD redeems the soul of His servants, And none of those who take refuge in Him will be condemned.

Psalm 54:4
Behold, God is my helper; The Lord is the sustainer of my soul.

Isaiah 31:5
Like flying birds so the LORD of hosts will protect Jerusalem. He will protect and deliver it; He will pass over and rescue it.

Jeremiah 15:21
"So I will deliver you from the hand of the wicked, And I will redeem you from the grasp of the violent."

Daniel 3:17
"If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the furnace of blazing fire; and He will deliver us out of your hand, O king.

Daniel 6:16
Then the king gave orders, and Daniel was brought in and cast into the lions' den. The king spoke and said to Daniel, "Your God whom you constantly serve will Himself deliver you."
 
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WRONG! The Church, since it's beginning on the Day of Pentecost, has declared that some things are objectively right or wrong; good or evil.

Jesus spoke that each person decides sin based on their experiences.

17 Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.

John 9:41
"If you were blind," Jesus replied, "you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

2 Peter 2:21
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them.

John 13:17 If you know these things, happy are you if you do them.
 
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That was the very temptation of Adam and Eve, to determine for themselves what is right and what is wrong.

As a result they and all their offspring were removed from
Paradise where they walked with God at their side.

That's were we are now, where we act by choice.
 
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As a result they and all their offspring were removed from
Paradise where they walked with God at their side.

That's were we are now, where we act by choice.

They also acted by choice.

Christians understand that the knowledge of what is good, and what is evil, comes from the mouth of God. It's not self-determined.
 
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Let me start off by apologizing if I'm putting this in the wrong part of the forum. This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I'm hoping to get some opinions. I support not only same sex marriage, but also the LGBT community in general. Can I still be a Christian despite this? I know that something such as same sex marriage directly goes against what's in the Bible (marriage being between one man and one woman). I'm really conflicted here. I feel guilty, but I can't change how I feel. Thanks for reading.

I didn't read the whole thread, just the OP. So this may have already been said.

You answered your own question Brother. You're conflicted about it because the Holy Spirit is convicting you and letting you know that...no, you can't support LGBT and be a Christian. Not for real anyway.

In same sex marriage, they might really love each other, but no fruit can come of it. A bad tree can not bring forth good fruit. By their fruits you will know them.

I've heard it said that love is a gift to us from God...so it can't be wrong. WRONG! A person could have all the giftings from the Holy Spirit...and get in trouble and go to hell. It is the fruit that speaks the truth. "Be fruitful and multiply" is what man was told. There will never be any fruit (babies) from a same sex marriage. That's what carves it in stone right there.

You're probably conflicted because it is not politically correct to not support them. You'll be looked down upon for being against them and called names and ridiculed. Everyone wants to be accepted and have an image of being supportive of their community. Well you wont get that by taking a stand for what you know is right. That's just how the world works. They will turn on you and hate you is what scripture says will happen.

As I understand it, God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah for sin. But it wasn't destroyed because there were a lot of homo's there, otherwise He would have had to destroy the entire world. Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed because the public accepted it and tolerated it. That's why, because they supported it.
 
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Being divinely inspired by God, it doesn't matter what man knew about it - God knew.

How do we know it's divinely inspired and not what men wrote? The Old Testament especially seems more "words of a strictly patriarchal society where women were inferior and genocide was okay" rather than the words of an all-knowing God.

Plus, it's odd that when people say the Bible is "inspired" they give the word a completely different meaning than in any other context.
 
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