Ignorance is Bliss

Hethatreadethit · Aug 21, 2017

Blind leaders of the blind, and those who need hearing aids, well what can I do to help? I must admit that ignorance is bliss. I know because I've been there. Knowledge is vain, but yet very useful. Libraries of B.S. are still waiting for the future teachers of your children. The art of taking the truth and turning it into deceitful garbage is no less a talent possessed by satan, and handed down to His children. You have killed the offering for sin and have denied to bring it to the door of the tabernacle. Therefore, the blood of Christ is still on your hands. All sinners must come forth and take their blame, or otherwise the BLOOD of CHRIST is still on your hands.

Otherwise, we can sanctify a temple on behalf of those who deny Christ. It shall be called after the famous "Sergeant Schultz" of "Hogans Heroes" The Sergeant Schultz Temple.
His famous words were: " I see nothing","I hear nothing." In the world of imagination and the world of forgetfulness, you can have your will and eat it too. Just go on in your delusion, but the judge is at the door, and there is no entrance to those who deny their sin killed Christ!

Lev 17:3 What man soever there be of the house of Israel, that killeth an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp, or that killeth it out of the camp,
Lev 17:4 And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:
Lev 17:5 To the end that the children of Israel may bring their sacrifices, which they offer in the open field, even that they may bring them unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest, and offer them for peace offerings unto the LORD.

My suggestion is that we should all take responsibility for our actions and not say: He took my blame and died in my place.

redleghunter · Aug 21, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
My suggestion is that we should all take responsibility for our actions and not say: He took my blame and died in my place.

I think that is what repentance entails.

Repentance | Theopedia

FanthatSpark · Aug 22, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
My suggestion is that we should all take responsibility for our actions and not say: He took my blame and died in my place.

Thus you know righteousness under this verse Romans 3:10 ? For me, a season to learn is through grace for sins known... and unknown :oldthumbsup:

.

FanthatSpark · Aug 22, 2017

Out of love manifests "want" not rules.

Amazing Horse · Aug 22, 2017

Who raised Pharaoh which kept Jews and didn't want them to go out of slavery?
Romans 9:17
Who is raising kings of nations today ? Like president Trump or Putin ?
Daniel 2:19-22

19Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.

20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Daniel 4:32
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

If you don't like your leaders then ask God why he put them here .

Hethatreadethit · Aug 22, 2017

redleghunter said:
I think that is what repentance entails.

Repentance | Theopedia

How does the death of Christ bring about repentance?

Hethatreadethit · Aug 22, 2017

FanthatSpark said:
Thus you know righteousness under this verse Romans 3:10 ? For me, a season to learn is through grace for sins known... and unknown .

Not really clear what you are saying?

Hethatreadethit · Aug 22, 2017

Amazing Horse said:
Who raised Pharaoh which kept Jews and didn't want them to go out of slavery?
Romans 9:17
Who is raising kings of nations today ? Like president Trump or Putin ?
Daniel 2:19-22

19Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.

20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Daniel 4:32
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

If you don't like your leaders then ask God why he put them here .

I'm not talking politics, and the leaders that i,m referring to are satans theological imitations:

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

redleghunter · Aug 22, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
How does the death of Christ bring about repentance?

It begins with 'godly sorrow...'

bling · Aug 22, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
Blind leaders of the blind, and those who need hearing aids, well what can I do to help? I must admit that ignorance is bliss. I know because I've been there. Knowledge is vain, but yet very useful. Libraries of B.S. are still waiting for the future teachers of your children. The art of taking the truth and turning it into deceitful garbage is no less a talent possessed by satan, and handed down to His children. You have killed the offering for sin and have denied to bring it to the door of the tabernacle. Therefore, the blood of Christ is still on your hands. All sinners must come forth and take their blame, or otherwise the BLOOD of CHRIST is still on your hands.

Otherwise, we can sanctify a temple on behalf of those who deny Christ. It shall be called after the famous "Sergeant Schultz" of "Hogans Heroes" The Sergeant Schultz Temple.
His famous words were: " I see nothing","I hear nothing." In the world of imagination and the world of forgetfulness, you can have your will and eat it too. Just go on in your delusion, but the judge is at the door, and there is no entrance to those who deny their sin killed Christ!

Lev 17:3 What man soever there be of the house of Israel, that killeth an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp, or that killeth it out of the camp,
Lev 17:4 And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:
Lev 17:5 To the end that the children of Israel may bring their sacrifices, which they offer in the open field, even that they may bring them unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest, and offer them for peace offerings unto the LORD.

My suggestion is that we should all take responsibility for our actions and not say: He took my blame and died in my place.

I think I am in agreement with most of what you are saying, but tell me how you are personally to be blamed for Christ's crucifixion? What could you have personally done to keep this tragedy from happening?
I have my own answers to these but what is yours?

Hethatreadethit · Aug 23, 2017

redleghunter said:
It begins with 'godly sorrow...'

Do people come to Christ realizing He died because of their sin?

Hethatreadethit · Aug 23, 2017

bling said:
I think I am in agreement with most of what you are saying, but tell me how you are personally to be blamed for Christ's crucifixion? What could you have personally done to keep this tragedy from happening?
I have my own answers to these but what is yours?

You could not have done anything different, because you were under sin. You unknowingly crucified Christ as all men. Believe it or not, we, everybody have made a sin offering and must recognize it and repent at the door of the throne of grace. All offerings must be brought to the door, and that is Christ:

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Christ as a sin offering is why grace is referred by Paul in Roman's as the free gift of righteousness.
When you come to this knowledge, you are baptized (bury the old man) and start to learn and grow in faith to follow the new man in Christ.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

The world would do it's best to disconnect from any knowledge that there is any link between it and the death of Christ, and that bypasses a big part of the Gospel.

bling · Aug 23, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
You could not have done anything different, because you were under sin. You unknowingly crucified Christ as all men. Believe it or not, we, everybody have made a sin offering and must recognize it and repent at the door of the throne of grace. All offerings must be brought to the door, and that is Christ:

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Christ as a sin offering is why grace is referred by Paul in Roman's as the free gift of righteousness.
When you come to this knowledge, you are baptized (bury the old man) and start to learn and grow in faith to follow the new man in Christ.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

The world would do it's best to disconnect from any knowledge that there is any link between it and the death of Christ, and that bypasses a big part of the Gospel.

You say: “You could not have done anything different, because you were under sin.” Am I not responsible for my sins or are they all inevitable? How can I be and feel accountable for my sins if I could not do differently?

Are you saying a new born baby is a sinner?

I am not saying a person without the indwelling Holy Spirit could with his own personal powers keep from sinning sometime, but any individual can keep from committing a particular sin at a particular time, so you can feel personally responsible for your sins.

Jesus prayed His most intense pray while in the garden prior to the cross, yet all we have of that pray is “If there is another way that will allow me to avoid the cross please use it, but if not your will be done”. This was for us to hear, so what other possible way could there have been?

If God had looked down the corridor of time and saw that I fulfilled my earthly objective without sinning and thus I would not need Christ to go to the cross would that have also presented “another way”?

I did sin, so I did not provide another way, so does that make me personally responsible for Christ going to the cross?

redleghunter · Aug 23, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
Do people come to Christ realizing He died because of their sin?

For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. (1 Corinthians 7:10)

Hethatreadethit · Aug 23, 2017

bling said:
You say: “You could not have done anything different, because you were under sin.” Am I not responsible for my sins or are they all inevitable? How can I be and feel accountable for my sins if I could not do differently?

Are you saying a new born baby is a sinner?

I am not saying a person without the indwelling Holy Spirit could with his own personal powers keep from sinning sometime, but any individual can keep from committing a particular sin at a particular time, so you can feel personally responsible for your sins.

Jesus prayed His most intense pray while in the garden prior to the cross, yet all we have of that pray is “If there is another way that will allow me to avoid the cross please use it, but if not your will be done”. This was for us to hear, so what other possible way could there have been?

If God had looked down the corridor of time and saw that I fulfilled my earthly objective without sinning and thus I would not need Christ to go to the cross would that have also presented “another way”?

I did sin, so I did not provide another way, so does that make me personally responsible for Christ going to the cross?

Children are born into the world knowing nothing. So, Spiritually man is too. First, we acknowledge our sins, repent, and then through faith learn the way which is above. There is no more place for carnal man.

Hethatreadethit · Aug 23, 2017

redleghunter said:
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. (1 Corinthians 7:10)

The sorrow of the world is brought forth by the suffering of sin. Godly sorrow is from coming to the knowledge of the truth, and that starts from acknowledging that you sacrificed a righteous man because of your sin. If you claim no sin, you're a liar. Therefore confess you"re responsibility of the righteous sin offering, acknowledging Christ as your sin offering and turn thou from evil.

There is something missing though. That is believing Christ was resurrected. How are you so sure He was resurrected?

redleghunter · Aug 23, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
How are you so sure He was resurrected?

The same way we know He was crucified and died. Eyewitness testimony and the proclamation of the Gospel.

Hethatreadethit · Aug 24, 2017

redleghunter said:
The same way we know He was crucified and died. Eyewitness testimony and the proclamation of the Gospel.

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

And the Truth is the Word of God, but more precisely, where in the OT does it bear witness to the death and resurrection of the Christ? The NT was not written yet.

redleghunter · Aug 24, 2017

Hethatreadethit said:
1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

And the Truth is the Word of God, but more precisely, where in the OT does it bear witness to the death and resurrection of the Christ? The NT was not written yet.

You quoted 1 John 5:9 which is in the NT. Meaning you are relying on John's words to make your point.

Hethatreadethit · Aug 24, 2017

redleghunter said:
You quoted 1 John 5:9 which is in the NT. Meaning you are relying on John's words to make your point.

Actually I'm showing that the disciples used the Word Of God to bare witness of Christ, The Spirit of Truth follows the Word of Truth. Can the OT be negated from the Word of Truth? Get your new testament bible and find out.

Christ was resurrected on the third day according to the scriptures. What scriptures?

1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

For something as powerful as the Gospel, why do not the theologians mention these scriptures? Shouldn't they be at the forefront of the doctrine of Christ? The present day Gospel is no gospel at all but an empty box of nothing! Fake news, seems one hears a lot of that these days.

Do you believe Christ died because of sin? Do you believe your sin had anything to do with the death of Christ, the sin offering?

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