COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

LoveGodsWord · Aug 22, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
My friend, you cannot discuss the message of grace for you do not understand it.
Your problem is, you look to the letter of the law, that is why you live in error:

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

If you believe your post what is stopping you debating me in the debate section of the forum using God's Word? I am willing if you are? I am secure in my faith in God's Word. If you are come debate me there and we will open the topic together. Here is for the threads OP.

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
If you believe your post what is stopping you debating me in the debate section of the forum using God's Word? I am willing if you are? I am secure in my faith in God's Word

I asked you to start a thread on rom7:4-11, as you quoted much of it, and do an exegesis of it verse by verse. But you cannot do that can you. As soon as you veer away from reciting a literal selection of some verses you run into trouble.

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

Hence you appear to stick to just discussing Saturday sabbath and copy pasting certain verses concerning it

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

The op quotes the foundation of the NC, that on which it stands.

Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more.
When you question him on what he quoted he refuses to respond. Telling you, you must stick to four verses of scripture in the title of the thread.
How can you have a debate where the op can quote scripture, but he feels you cannot question him concerning scripture he quotes?
That isn't debate!!
That is not having confidence to defend your beliefs

LoveGodsWord · Aug 22, 2017

If you believe what you have posted is true you will debate me in the debate section of the forum with God's Word. Yes or No? This section is for the Col 2:14-17 OP. If you want to discuss the OP also very welcome.

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
If you believe what you have posted is true you will debate me in the debate section of the forum with God's Word. Yes or No?

I have put up a verse of scripture in this thread that proves your views are incorrect on the subject matter. Why would I have the need to go to another thread and quote the same verse?

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

Anyway, you responded to the verse yesterday in this thread, today you say it must be discussed in a different thread

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

So no one is allowed to quote any scripture in this thread other than you?

LoveGodsWord · Aug 22, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
I have put up a verse of scripture in this thread that proves your views are incorrect on the subject matter. Why would I have the need to go to another thread and quote the same verse?

You have not proven anything. This thread alone has 200+ scriptures that say the opposite of your interpretation of your verse. All that says to me is your building on sand because your interpretation of God's Word contradicts other scriptures. Here is for the OP friend. Please be respectful and share God's Word with the fruits of God's Spirit. Like I said earlier debate me in the debate section of the forum or put up another thread and lets share God's Word. Yes or No?

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
You have not proven anything. This thread alone has 200+ scriptures that say the opposite of your interpretation of your verse. All that says to me is your building on sand because your interpretation of God's Word contradicts other scriptures. Here is for the OP friend. Please be respectful and share God's Word with the fruits of God's Spirit. Like I said earlier debate me in the debate section of the forum or put up another thread and lets share God's Word. Yes or No?

I'm just responding to your post.
You do not have 200 scriptures that state gentile converts under the NC must observe a set Saturday sabbath. You have NO scripture at all from the NC that states gentile Christians must do that.
At least I do have a scripture from the NT that shows they don't!

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

Paul states:

Accept him who's faith is weak without passing judgement on DISPUTABLE matters
Rom14:1

A disputable matter is where you can hold to either view.
Paul gives two examples in the chapter of disputable matters:

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers everyday alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Verse5
As one who is in the Lord Jesus I am convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, for him it is unclean.
Verse14

All food is clean
Verse20

Neither of these things do sda accept as disputable matters. They insist you MUST abstain from the Levitical unclean foods, and you cannot consider every day alike.

Do we love Gods word enough to accept what it states concerning NC Christians?

listed · Aug 22, 2017

bugkiller said:
Well some. They are generally nice people until you try discussing the Bible and religious matters. My SDA neighbor tried to convert me for 10 years, cussed me. Another visiting SDA simply started yelling.

bugkiller

Interesting

listed · Aug 22, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
Dear All,

Once again if you have anything to share about the OP I will be more then happy to chat with you about the OP but if you do not please make another thread topic and I will be more then happy to share God's Word with you there. I was hoping to share God's Word in a loving and caring manner here. If we cannot than this would be very disappointing. So can we get back to the OP now which is about Col 2:14-17? No one has even come close to sharing an alternative view from God's Word. If you have something from God's Word to share I will be more than happy to talk with you. If not please open another thread somewhere else because I am not interested in arguing with you as much of your posting is accusing me of somethings I am not even doing or believing. However, I will leave this between you and God. Thanks for your understanding.

In Christ Always!

You want to discuss the OP. What is your purpose of the thread? Verse 16 is a list proved by the use of the coma and the word "or." That means holy day and sabbath aren't the same thing. This same list of days is found in Leviticus 23. I see your issue as not to judge about any of this. To me that means also not about not keeping the sabbath. That qualifies in how I regard the day.

What I really think is you want to by pass what is communicated in the verse demanding others to practice as you do. Why? Is it because you really believe your salvation hinges on it? If not it doesn't matter. Acts 15 says the Christian isn't obligated to the sabbath or the law.

Verse 16 is pretty straight forward in what it presents. I just don't see an argument to observe the sabbath.

listed · Aug 22, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
You have not proven anything. This thread alone has 200+ scriptures that say the opposite of your interpretation of your verse. All that says to me is your building on sand because your interpretation of God's Word contradicts other scriptures. Here is for the OP friend. Please be respectful and share God's Word with the fruits of God's Spirit. Like I said earlier debate me in the debate section of the forum or put up another thread and lets share God's Word. Yes or No?

What are you trying to prove with your 200+ Scriptures? What do they have to do with intent of your op Colossians 2:14-17? Nothing. You're not discussing the mentioned passage, you're demanding others keep the sabbath. The op passage won't support that argument.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 22, 2017

Hello Listed,

How are you today? Good I hope. Some comments for your consideration below.

listed said:
You want to discuss the OP. What is your purpose of the thread? Verse 16 is a list proved by the use of the coma and the word "or." That means holy day and sabbath aren't the same thing. This same list of days is found in Leviticus 23. I see your issue as not to judge about any of this. To me that means also not about not keeping the sabbath. That qualifies in how I regard the day. What I really think is you want to by pass what is communicated in the verse demanding others to practice as you do. Why? Is it because you really believe your salvation hinges on it? If not it doesn't matter. Acts 15 says the Christian isn't obligated to the sabbath or the law. Verse 16 is pretty straight forward in what it presents. I just don't see an argument to observe the sabbath.

I am just wondering if you read any of the Four Part OP? The OP simply shows that Colosians Chapter 2 is not talking about God's 4th commandment in God's Law as being a Shadow of things to come. Paul was referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses in relation to annual festivals that all pointed to Jesus that were a Shadow of things some come Col 2:17. The argument is that Col 2 has been used by others to try and say that God's 4th commandment in the 10 is a Shadow when it is not. If it is not a Shadow then it is just as important in God's eyes as stealing and murder. If you willfully and knowingly break any of God's commandments you commit sin and in danger of God's judgement. Why is this important? Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4) and if we continually knowingly and willfully continue doing it God's Word says the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Sunday worship is a man made tradition that has no basis in the Word of God. There is not one scripture in God's Word that says the 7th Day Sabbath of God's commandments is abolished and no scripture that says we no longer need to keep it as a Holy day. Just as there is no scripture that says we now need to keep Sunday as a Holy day. The question is do we believe and follow God or do we believe man? If knowingly breaking God's 4th commandment is sin, God's Word clearly tells us we do not know him and are not following Him (1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:3-10)

In Christ Always!

LoveGodsWord · Aug 22, 2017

listed said:
What are you trying to prove with your 200+ Scriptures? What do they have to do with intent of your op Colossians 2:14-17? Nothing. You're not discussing the mentioned passage, you're demanding others keep the sabbath. The op passage won't support that argument.

Nope I am not demanding others to do anything or do I judge you or others on what you do with your life. This is between you and God. It is the Word of God however, that will judge us in the last days for the things that we have done in this life and if we believe God's Word or not. Of course I am discussing Col 2:14-17 that is why I have put up the OP. The OP is highlighting that Col 2 is about the annual Jewish festivals the same as Romans 14 which have nothing to do with us no longer needing to keep God's 4th commandment as a Holy day. It is still one of the 10 and if we knowingly and willfully break it we commit sin. This is God's Word and not mine and we are all held accountable to it.

John 12:47-48
47 And if any man hear my sayings, and keep them not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejects me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judges him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day.

In Christ Always!

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

If you actually understand the NC, one of the most futile things you do is try and convince people according to the written code they must observe certain laws. That is if you understand the NC, and you are trying to convince born again Christians

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

And I will repeat. Scripture clearly shows us sda are wrong to insist everyone must avoid the Levitical unclean foods, therefore, under the NC they have no true understanding of applicable law

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

The op quotes correctly:

Sin is the transgression of the law.

Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin, if you fail to observe the law you do commit sin:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

But the op says the basis of your judgement is observance of the law

stuart lawrence · Aug 22, 2017

And Romans 14 says nothing about Jewish festivals in the entire chapter. A pure invention in order to cling to misguided beliefs

COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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