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SUNDAY, 29 MAY 2016 18:34 K B NAPIER

Enemies of God and Christians love to denigrate our faith and always look for supposed reasons to ridicule us. One such accusation, is that Christians are only believers because they fear what God would do to them if they did not believe. Is this true? Or, is it just a taunt?

It is true (but not in the unbelieving sense)!

Anyone who KNOWS God is real and does NOT fear Him is out of his mind! Also, fear of God is the beginning of the genuine Christian life. Look at the representative texts below that spell out the importance of this fear. As all of scripture is given by God, the texts are about God telling us what is required:

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.” (Psalm 111:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” (Proverbs 9:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Proverbs 1:7)

Many pastors and teachers today water-down what ‘fear’ mean in these texts, by saying it simply means to have reverence for God. By doing this they change what God has said and produce lethargy in God’s people. The Old Testament Hebrews knew exactly what this ‘fear’ was, because the whole structure of their nation and the sacrifices spoke of it in detail. Today, there is no fear of God, even amongst Christians! If anything they laugh and irreverently speak of ‘Daddy’!

The true fear of God, the feminine noun yir’ah, means to have fear, terror, the recognition of something we should be in awe of, something dreadful (that is, inducing dread in the heart and mind). It also includes respect and reverence. The adjective-root, yare’, only underlines the main meaning of fear, and its second root, (also yare’) means to be afraid, to stand in awe. The idea of being respectful is secondary, for if one does not have fear of what will be done if he rebels, he will not stand in awe, or respect the Lord Once we fear the Lord God we will obey and honour Him, and pay Him due reverence. If not, we stand to be terrified, which is the proper main meaning of ‘fear’... quaking terror. Teachers who teach others that the word means less, are being sinful and misleading. They also make out that God is just ‘loving’ and has no wrath in Him. The result is always a weakened Church and badly taught believers whose view of God is small and trite.

Note the textual counsel – we cannot attain to wisdom UNLESS we have this fear of the Lord. Indeed, once we have this fear it begins our road of faith. Without it we are unwise and cannot make proper judgments about anything. After all, if we do not have wisdom we cannot understand what God says, because we are disobedient and do not follow His commandments as we should. This means we do not praise Him as we ought. One error quickly causes a landslide or many errors.

Those who reject this meaning are fools (Proverbs 1:7)! Fools hate wisdom and are guilty before God, they quarrel with genuine teachers and are often licentious when it comes to applying truth to everyday life. The word for ‘fool’ has a root meaning: to be perverse. This is probably why so many modern believers tend to have sympathy for homosexuals and Muslims. Indeed, scripture tells us that these people despise true fear of God and hold it in contempt (buwz - which means God is held in contempt). Such ‘Christians’ do not like being taught the truth by other men, even when those other men are called by God to their office. They actually hate true knowledge and so deliberately reject fear of God (Proverbs 1:29).

Without this actual fear, we cannot hope to have true knowledge of Him (Proverbs 2:5). This fear even allows us to live longer (Proverbs 10:27) and gives us confidence as believers (Proverbs 14:26). Fear is like a fountain of spiritual life (Proverbs 14:27). Scripture contains many allusions to this proper fear.

Does this mean that Christians must live in quaking fear of God daily? To ask such a question is to admit to ignorance! We must rightly fear a God Who can take our lives on the spot! Should an atheist fear a killer who hates him? Of course he should! He would otherwise be a fool. But, the fear of God is different, for it is a basis for obedience, and obedience to God has rewards of holiness, purity, love and peace in this life. The fear we should have is the same fear of crossing the line with parents, or with police. If we behave, we will not be punished! God requires this fear so that we will not just obey, but that we will have a real regard for His majesty and might, which, in turn, gives us benefits. How can we say we love God when we do not envisage His power and awesomeness? It is not possible!

The fear is what should always be in our minds, but when we live as we ought it recedes, giving way to love and peace. However, it must always be there, to stop us sinning as unbelievers do. God wants our good, not to discipline us! Even so, if we rebel or sin He WILL discipline - He is obliged to. And when He does, it is NOT to crush us, but to enable us to come back to a full relationship with Him again. That is what a Father’s judgment is supposed to do. And the less we rebel, the greater is our relationship and the more intimate it is. It all begins with fear. Have you read of God’s earthly judgments on the Hebrews and other nations? Does this not bring fear to your heart? If it does not, then you do not understand and still have no wisdom.

© December 2015

Source:
Do We Obey God Out of Fear?

I am curious what you think.
 

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SUNDAY, 29 MAY 2016 18:34 K B NAPIER

Enemies of God and Christians love to denigrate our faith and always look for supposed reasons to ridicule us. One such accusation, is that Christians are only believers because they fear what God would do to them if they did not believe. Is this true? Or, is it just a taunt?

It is true (but not in the unbelieving sense)!

Anyone who KNOWS God is real and does NOT fear Him is out of his mind! Also, fear of God is the beginning of the genuine Christian life. Look at the representative texts below that spell out the importance of this fear. As all of scripture is given by God, the texts are about God telling us what is required:

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.” (Psalm 111:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” (Proverbs 9:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Proverbs 1:7)

Many pastors and teachers today water-down what ‘fear’ mean in these texts, by saying it simply means to have reverence for God. By doing this they change what God has said and produce lethargy in God’s people. The Old Testament Hebrews knew exactly what this ‘fear’ was, because the whole structure of their nation and the sacrifices spoke of it in detail. Today, there is no fear of God, even amongst Christians! If anything they laugh and irreverently speak of ‘Daddy’!

The true fear of God, the feminine noun yir’ah, means to have fear, terror, the recognition of something we should be in awe of, something dreadful (that is, inducing dread in the heart and mind). It also includes respect and reverence. The adjective-root, yare’, only underlines the main meaning of fear, and its second root, (also yare’) means to be afraid, to stand in awe. The idea of being respectful is secondary, for if one does not have fear of what will be done if he rebels, he will not stand in awe, or respect the Lord Once we fear the Lord God we will obey and honour Him, and pay Him due reverence. If not, we stand to be terrified, which is the proper main meaning of ‘fear’... quaking terror. Teachers who teach others that the word means less, are being sinful and misleading. They also make out that God is just ‘loving’ and has no wrath in Him. The result is always a weakened Church and badly taught believers whose view of God is small and trite.

Note the textual counsel – we cannot attain to wisdom UNLESS we have this fear of the Lord. Indeed, once we have this fear it begins our road of faith. Without it we are unwise and cannot make proper judgments about anything. After all, if we do not have wisdom we cannot understand what God says, because we are disobedient and do not follow His commandments as we should. This means we do not praise Him as we ought. One error quickly causes a landslide or many errors.

Those who reject this meaning are fools (Proverbs 1:7)! Fools hate wisdom and are guilty before God, they quarrel with genuine teachers and are often licentious when it comes to applying truth to everyday life. The word for ‘fool’ has a root meaning: to be perverse. This is probably why so many modern believers tend to have sympathy for homosexuals and Muslims. Indeed, scripture tells us that these people despise true fear of God and hold it in contempt (buwz - which means God is held in contempt). Such ‘Christians’ do not like being taught the truth by other men, even when those other men are called by God to their office. They actually hate true knowledge and so deliberately reject fear of God (Proverbs 1:29).

Without this actual fear, we cannot hope to have true knowledge of Him (Proverbs 2:5). This fear even allows us to live longer (Proverbs 10:27) and gives us confidence as believers (Proverbs 14:26). Fear is like a fountain of spiritual life (Proverbs 14:27). Scripture contains many allusions to this proper fear.

Does this mean that Christians must live in quaking fear of God daily? To ask such a question is to admit to ignorance! We must rightly fear a God Who can take our lives on the spot! Should an atheist fear a killer who hates him? Of course he should! He would otherwise be a fool. But, the fear of God is different, for it is a basis for obedience, and obedience to God has rewards of holiness, purity, love and peace in this life. The fear we should have is the same fear of crossing the line with parents, or with police. If we behave, we will not be punished! God requires this fear so that we will not just obey, but that we will have a real regard for His majesty and might, which, in turn, gives us benefits. How can we say we love God when we do not envisage His power and awesomeness? It is not possible!

The fear is what should always be in our minds, but when we live as we ought it recedes, giving way to love and peace. However, it must always be there, to stop us sinning as unbelievers do. God wants our good, not to discipline us! Even so, if we rebel or sin He WILL discipline - He is obliged to. And when He does, it is NOT to crush us, but to enable us to come back to a full relationship with Him again. That is what a Father’s judgment is supposed to do. And the less we rebel, the greater is our relationship and the more intimate it is. It all begins with fear. Have you read of God’s earthly judgments on the Hebrews and other nations? Does this not bring fear to your heart? If it does not, then you do not understand and still have no wisdom.

© December 2015

Source:
Do We Obey God Out of Fear?

I am curious what you think.

Then there's the book called "The Joy of Fearing God" by Jerry Bridges (and Bible verses about delighting in the "fear of the Lord" such as "The fear of the Lord is a life-giving fountain." ~Proverbs 14:27), which is rather delightful, in that it mentions that it is a DELIGHTFUL and life-giving blessing to "fear the Lord", who is a DELIGHTFUL God.

Then there's also the many verses that say quite profoundly that the "fear of the Lord" keeps us from sinning.

As you stated above:

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Proverbs 9:10

"Fearing the Lord" is very wise.
 
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Then there's the book called "The Joy of Fearing God" by Jerry Bridges (and Bible verses about delighting in the "fear of the Lord" such as "The fear of the Lord is life-giving fountain." ~Proverbs 14:27), which is rather delightful, in that it mentions that it is a DELIGHTFUL and life-giving blessing to "fear the Lord", who is a DELIGHTFUL God.

Then there's also the many verses that say quite profoundly that the "fear of the Lord" keeps us from sinning.

As you stated above:

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Proverbs 9:10

"Fearing the Lord" is very wise.

Thank you brinny.

I am still searching for truth. This is an article that I found and I thought I share it.

I mean I know that I found truth in the word of God. But it's the interpretation of scripture that I struggle with sometimes.
 
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Thank you brinny.

I am still searching for truth. This is an article that I found and I thought I share it.

I mean I know that I found truth in the word of God. But it's the interpretation of scripture that I struggle with sometimes.

Jesus Himself said that He is the Truth. Most scripture is quite clear.

And as you posted above, this verse spells out what wisdom is:

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Proverbs 9:10
 
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SUNDAY, 29 MAY 2016 18:34 K B NAPIER

Enemies of God and Christians love to denigrate our faith and always look for supposed reasons to ridicule us. One such accusation, is that Christians are only believers because they fear what God would do to them if they did not believe. Is this true? Or, is it just a taunt?

It is true (but not in the unbelieving sense)!

Anyone who KNOWS God is real and does NOT fear Him is out of his mind! Also, fear of God is the beginning of the genuine Christian life. Look at the representative texts below that spell out the importance of this fear. As all of scripture is given by God, the texts are about God telling us what is required:

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.” (Psalm 111:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” (Proverbs 9:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Proverbs 1:7)

Many pastors and teachers today water-down what ‘fear’ mean in these texts, by saying it simply means to have reverence for God. By doing this they change what God has said and produce lethargy in God’s people. The Old Testament Hebrews knew exactly what this ‘fear’ was, because the whole structure of their nation and the sacrifices spoke of it in detail. Today, there is no fear of God, even amongst Christians! If anything they laugh and irreverently speak of ‘Daddy’!

The true fear of God, the feminine noun yir’ah, means to have fear, terror, the recognition of something we should be in awe of, something dreadful (that is, inducing dread in the heart and mind). It also includes respect and reverence. The adjective-root, yare’, only underlines the main meaning of fear, and its second root, (also yare’) means to be afraid, to stand in awe. The idea of being respectful is secondary, for if one does not have fear of what will be done if he rebels, he will not stand in awe, or respect the Lord Once we fear the Lord God we will obey and honour Him, and pay Him due reverence. If not, we stand to be terrified, which is the proper main meaning of ‘fear’... quaking terror. Teachers who teach others that the word means less, are being sinful and misleading. They also make out that God is just ‘loving’ and has no wrath in Him. The result is always a weakened Church and badly taught believers whose view of God is small and trite.

Note the textual counsel – we cannot attain to wisdom UNLESS we have this fear of the Lord. Indeed, once we have this fear it begins our road of faith. Without it we are unwise and cannot make proper judgments about anything. After all, if we do not have wisdom we cannot understand what God says, because we are disobedient and do not follow His commandments as we should. This means we do not praise Him as we ought. One error quickly causes a landslide or many errors.

Those who reject this meaning are fools (Proverbs 1:7)! Fools hate wisdom and are guilty before God, they quarrel with genuine teachers and are often licentious when it comes to applying truth to everyday life. The word for ‘fool’ has a root meaning: to be perverse. This is probably why so many modern believers tend to have sympathy for homosexuals and Muslims. Indeed, scripture tells us that these people despise true fear of God and hold it in contempt (buwz - which means God is held in contempt). Such ‘Christians’ do not like being taught the truth by other men, even when those other men are called by God to their office. They actually hate true knowledge and so deliberately reject fear of God (Proverbs 1:29).

Without this actual fear, we cannot hope to have true knowledge of Him (Proverbs 2:5). This fear even allows us to live longer (Proverbs 10:27) and gives us confidence as believers (Proverbs 14:26). Fear is like a fountain of spiritual life (Proverbs 14:27). Scripture contains many allusions to this proper fear.

Does this mean that Christians must live in quaking fear of God daily? To ask such a question is to admit to ignorance! We must rightly fear a God Who can take our lives on the spot! Should an atheist fear a killer who hates him? Of course he should! He would otherwise be a fool. But, the fear of God is different, for it is a basis for obedience, and obedience to God has rewards of holiness, purity, love and peace in this life. The fear we should have is the same fear of crossing the line with parents, or with police. If we behave, we will not be punished! God requires this fear so that we will not just obey, but that we will have a real regard for His majesty and might, which, in turn, gives us benefits. How can we say we love God when we do not envisage His power and awesomeness? It is not possible!

The fear is what should always be in our minds, but when we live as we ought it recedes, giving way to love and peace. However, it must always be there, to stop us sinning as unbelievers do. God wants our good, not to discipline us! Even so, if we rebel or sin He WILL discipline - He is obliged to. And when He does, it is NOT to crush us, but to enable us to come back to a full relationship with Him again. That is what a Father’s judgment is supposed to do. And the less we rebel, the greater is our relationship and the more intimate it is. It all begins with fear. Have you read of God’s earthly judgments on the Hebrews and other nations? Does this not bring fear to your heart? If it does not, then you do not understand and still have no wisdom.

© December 2015

Source:
Do We Obey God Out of Fear?

I am curious what you think.


Human thinking declares the above..

The Bible declares the truth below..

Psalms 111: KJV
10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever."

Note it says fear is the beginning of wisdom... But what should be the state of a believer in Jesus after coming to know the gospel wisdom of God? Read On..

1 John 4: KJV
17 "Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. {18} There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. {19} We love him, because he first loved us."

So coming to the fullness of the knowledge of salvation casts out all fear because one who believes in the Gospel knows they are greatly loved and have assurance of their salvation.. :D
 
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Hi again, Introverted. Glad to see you are getting around CF well. :)

Many things in the Christian faith are about a balance, sometimes between two things that seem opposite. And this particular question can be a difficult one to find that balance.

God is of course all-powerful, creator of the cosmos and all beings, completely perfect and Holy, and so "other" that we as created beings can't really even comprehend Him. Even angels who have been in His direct presence since sometime before we were created and have never sinned, and are far superior to us in understanding - are still in constant awe of Him. I suspect none of us as humans are really as filled with awe for God as we would be if we really understood.

But if we live only in abject terror of God, that would mean that we expect Him to hate us, we make Him into a monster. I think this is not helped by some wrong theologies out there.

Besides being so awe-inspiring, God is also love. His desire in creating us was to have us live in loving fellowship with Him. There is a reason we compare Him to a father - most human parents have children at least partly out of a desire to love them and expect to take care of them. God is like this, but to a perfection that we miss ourselves.

Obedience is worth mentioning, but if it is the focus, we still miss the right kind of fear. It is very often a starting place though, and nothing is wrong with that. We all grow in our relationship with God, which means we start somewhere less than that. But having too great a care only for obedience will usually push us into depending too much on our own efforts.

When we begin to grow in love for God, and begin to understand His desire for communion and intimacy with us, it will start to inspire a desire for obedience not motivated by fear of punishment, but because we desire not to lose that degree of intimacy we have so far. At the same time, we are being changed, and as a result, there is joy in doing those things we would call obedience - because God does not just lay heavy burdens on us, but rather He asks us to do those things that are good for us anyway. So once we become changed just a bit, we begin to realize that we are much happier doing what He tells us to do, and more and more sin loses its allure.

It's all a process, we are in different places from one another, and can be in different places with different temptations.

It's ok that it takes time to figure out. I suspect it's a lifelong (or nearly so) process, that can require little corrections as we continue to grow in Him, though they will hopefully become smaller and less frequent. :)

God be with you!
 
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Christians are only believers because they fear what God would do to them

While I'm sure this article was shared in good faith, it makes some serious mistakes from a outreach, philosophical, and exegetical perspective.

It starts off with a sweeping generalization directed at non-believers. Hardly a method one might find in say Acts 13-19 when Paul engages non-believers.
He engages them with adjectives like "very religious people," when referring to pagans in Athens.

Further, "Fear," is not a way of knowing, anymore than, "Faith," is a way of knowing.

We are "Beleivers," for a whole host of reasons including:

1 - examining conceptual evidence presented in scripture
2 - examining philosophical arguments like the cosmological, teleological, moral, and various transcendent arguments for God
3 - combining the above evidence with rich experiences of God's existence
4 - being taught by parents and not encountering any strong defeaters for that knowledge
5 - in all cases we believe through an inner witness of the HS that God is real.

Fear of hell comes once one holds other beliefs such as Jesus is God, the scriptures are accurate, Jesus taught those who reject him will go to a place of torment, etc.

Even when it is the final straw to compel acion it is part of a cumulative set of beliefs that have various degrees of justification and warrant.

Finally, fear of the Lord is something that comes with years of Chistian experience. while I agree that the emotion of fear tells us something about the external world and more importantly our relation to a holy and all-powerful creator, it is not the first thing I introduce a non-believer to, anymore than it is the first thing I introduce my baby granddaughter to.

The analogy is apt as a baby is limited in their perception of their world as I am of God. If the whole message of scripture is God's sacrificial love of man and his seeking man out to draw him into this love relationship, FEAR is not the first thing one reveals.

Now I don't want to make a sweeping geralization the other direction, "God never..."

I came to Christ at 14 due to a hearing of the four spiritual laws and fear of hell. I didn't know what was true and just decided to write and insurance olive as it were, to make sure I didn't go to hell. However, God judges men's hearts. He gave me evidence in a few minutes through an inner witness of the HS, of peace with God.

So of all people I can't say never, but my belief was quickly corrected from a false view of a wrathful and petty God to a loving father.
 
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SUNDAY, 29 MAY 2016 18:34 K B NAPIER

Enemies of God and Christians love to denigrate our faith and always look for supposed reasons to ridicule us. One such accusation, is that Christians are only believers because they fear what God would do to them if they did not believe. Is this true? Or, is it just a taunt?

It is true (but not in the unbelieving sense)!

Anyone who KNOWS God is real and does NOT fear Him is out of his mind! Also, fear of God is the beginning of the genuine Christian life. Look at the representative texts below that spell out the importance of this fear. As all of scripture is given by God, the texts are about God telling us what is required:

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.” (Psalm 111:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” (Proverbs 9:10)

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Proverbs 1:7)

Many pastors and teachers today water-down what ‘fear’ mean in these texts, by saying it simply means to have reverence for God. By doing this they change what God has said and produce lethargy in God’s people. The Old Testament Hebrews knew exactly what this ‘fear’ was, because the whole structure of their nation and the sacrifices spoke of it in detail. Today, there is no fear of God, even amongst Christians! If anything they laugh and irreverently speak of ‘Daddy’!

The true fear of God, the feminine noun yir’ah, means to have fear, terror, the recognition of something we should be in awe of, something dreadful (that is, inducing dread in the heart and mind). It also includes respect and reverence. The adjective-root, yare’, only underlines the main meaning of fear, and its second root, (also yare’) means to be afraid, to stand in awe. The idea of being respectful is secondary, for if one does not have fear of what will be done if he rebels, he will not stand in awe, or respect the Lord Once we fear the Lord God we will obey and honour Him, and pay Him due reverence. If not, we stand to be terrified, which is the proper main meaning of ‘fear’... quaking terror. Teachers who teach others that the word means less, are being sinful and misleading. They also make out that God is just ‘loving’ and has no wrath in Him. The result is always a weakened Church and badly taught believers whose view of God is small and trite.

Note the textual counsel – we cannot attain to wisdom UNLESS we have this fear of the Lord. Indeed, once we have this fear it begins our road of faith. Without it we are unwise and cannot make proper judgments about anything. After all, if we do not have wisdom we cannot understand what God says, because we are disobedient and do not follow His commandments as we should. This means we do not praise Him as we ought. One error quickly causes a landslide or many errors.

Those who reject this meaning are fools (Proverbs 1:7)! Fools hate wisdom and are guilty before God, they quarrel with genuine teachers and are often licentious when it comes to applying truth to everyday life. The word for ‘fool’ has a root meaning: to be perverse. This is probably why so many modern believers tend to have sympathy for homosexuals and Muslims. Indeed, scripture tells us that these people despise true fear of God and hold it in contempt (buwz - which means God is held in contempt). Such ‘Christians’ do not like being taught the truth by other men, even when those other men are called by God to their office. They actually hate true knowledge and so deliberately reject fear of God (Proverbs 1:29).

Without this actual fear, we cannot hope to have true knowledge of Him (Proverbs 2:5). This fear even allows us to live longer (Proverbs 10:27) and gives us confidence as believers (Proverbs 14:26). Fear is like a fountain of spiritual life (Proverbs 14:27). Scripture contains many allusions to this proper fear.

Does this mean that Christians must live in quaking fear of God daily? To ask such a question is to admit to ignorance! We must rightly fear a God Who can take our lives on the spot! Should an atheist fear a killer who hates him? Of course he should! He would otherwise be a fool. But, the fear of God is different, for it is a basis for obedience, and obedience to God has rewards of holiness, purity, love and peace in this life. The fear we should have is the same fear of crossing the line with parents, or with police. If we behave, we will not be punished! God requires this fear so that we will not just obey, but that we will have a real regard for His majesty and might, which, in turn, gives us benefits. How can we say we love God when we do not envisage His power and awesomeness? It is not possible!

The fear is what should always be in our minds, but when we live as we ought it recedes, giving way to love and peace. However, it must always be there, to stop us sinning as unbelievers do. God wants our good, not to discipline us! Even so, if we rebel or sin He WILL discipline - He is obliged to. And when He does, it is NOT to crush us, but to enable us to come back to a full relationship with Him again. That is what a Father’s judgment is supposed to do. And the less we rebel, the greater is our relationship and the more intimate it is. It all begins with fear. Have you read of God’s earthly judgments on the Hebrews and other nations? Does this not bring fear to your heart? If it does not, then you do not understand and still have no wisdom.

© December 2015

Source:
Do We Obey God Out of Fear?

I am curious what you think.
about your post about evidence for god check this thread:

My favorite argument for the existence of God
 
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