COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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I stated that the 10 commandments were the foundation of the Old and New Covenant and also the Judgement to come. The context was that God's Law (10 commandments) points out sin and brings us to Christ so that we can be justified by faith. You tried to make it sound like something that was never said with your interpretation of it in post 325 when you said "So to LGW the foundation of the NC is not Christ but the TC."
More than the TC point out sin, not just the law written on stone! So why limit it to that particular law?
Why not include the second greatest commandment along with the TC in your basis for judgement, doesn't that one matter?
How can the basis for Christians judgement be obeying the law when they have no righteousness of obeying the law?
How can the TC be the foundation of the NC when the Christian is called to die to the law?

You follow after the written code my friend, scripture tells us we must die to following after it
 
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Can you tell us why obeying the TC will be the basis on which Christians are judged when they have no righteousness/ justification of observing the law?
Certainly. God's Law points out sin (Rom 3:30; Rom 7:17; and Gal 3:24). It is our schoolmaster that teaches us that we are all sinners and guilty before God (Rom 3:19). They help us to see ourselves as God sees us and shows us that all our righteousness is as filthy rags (Isa 64:6). Its leads us to the foot of the cross that we might be justified by faith in the promises of God's Word which is the same Word that created all things (Gen 2:1-3). Walking in the Spirit is having faith in the Word of God to do what it says it will do. Salvation is being saved from sin which is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). As we have faith in God's Words Jesus saves us it is a gift of God and he is the one who changes us into the divine nature so we can walk in his ways (2 Peter 1:3-4). Judgement will be by rejecting God's Word and His Salvation from sin

In Christ Always!
 
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I wasn't confused at all. I quoted your exact words. You may repeat what you often do concerning your being misinterpreted but you have not. Your words were quoted exactly as you wrote them

Your confusion was that you took my words out of context then put your own interpretation on what I was saying. It was your interpretation of what I was saying that was not true. Ok no use talking about this any further. If you would like to talk about God's Word and the OP I am more than happy to do so

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Certainly. God's Law points out sin (Rom 3:30; Rom 7:17; and Gal 3:24). It is our schoolmaster that teaches us that we are all sinners and guilty before God (Rom 3:19). They help us to see ourselves as God sees us and shows us that all our righteousness is as filthy rags (Isa 64:6). Its leads us to the foot of the cross that we might be justified by faith in the promises of God's Word which is the same Word that created all things (Gen 2:1-3). Walking in the Spirit is having faith in the Word of God to do what it says it will do. Salvation is being saved from sin which is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). As we have faith in God's Words Jesus saves us it is a gift of God and he is the one who changes us into the divine nature so we can walk in his ways (2 Peter 1:3-4).

In Christ Always!
The law that points out sin is not limited to the TC. The Christian is not declared righteous/ justified by obeying the law, so how can the law be the basis of their judgement?
 
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Your confusion was that you took my words out of context then put your own interpretation on what I was saying. It was your interpretation of what I was saying that was not true.
No I did.not. Why not try and answer the questions put concerning what you wrote, rather than make the same continued protestations?
 
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Why is the second greatest commandment not included alongside the TC concerning your basis in which all Christians will be judged?
How can the Christians judgement be based on obeying the law when they have no righteousness/ justification of observing the law?
How can the foundation of the NC be the TC when the Christian is called to die to the law?
 
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The law that points out sin is not limited to the TC. The Christian is not declared righteous/ justified by obeying the law, so how can the law be the basis of their judgement?

No one said anything about anyone being declared righteous through obeying God's Law only you have. You do not seem to be listening to what I am saying. Where did I ever say we are declared righteous or justified by obeying God's Law?
 
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Why is the second greatest commandment not included alongside the TC concerning your basis in which all Christians will be judged?
How can the Christians judgement be based on obeying the law when they have no righteousness/ justification of observing the law? How can the foundation of the NC be the TC when the Christian is called to die to the law?

Christians are not called to die to the Law they are called to die to sin which is transgression of God's Law by Faith in God's Word
 
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Why is the second greatest commandment not included alongside the TC concerning your basis in which all Christians will be judged?
How can the Christians judgement be based on obeying the law when they have no righteousness/ justification of observing the law?
How can the foundation of the NC be the TC when the Christian is called to die to the law?

Mat 22:36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38, This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus is quoting from the Old Testament (Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)
 
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No one said anything about anyone being declared righteous through obeying God's Law only you have. You do not seem to be listening to what I am saying. Where did I ever say we are declared righteous or justified by obeying God's Law?
I said to you. How can the Christians judgement be based on obeying g the law when they have no righteousness/ justification of observing the law
 
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CHRISTIANS ARE NOT CALLED TO DIE TO THE LAW they are called to die to sin which is transgression of God's Law by Faith in God's Word
Really?

So my brothers you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another, to him that was raised from the dead in order that you might bear fruit for God
Rom7:4
 
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Mat 22:36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38, This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus is quoting from the Old Testament (Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)
Yet you did not include the second greatest comnandment in your basis for being judged by observing the law. And haven't explained why not
 
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Really?

So my brothers you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another, to him that was raised from the dead in order that you might bear fruit for God
Rom7:4

To be dead unto the Law means to be dead guilty because God as a sinner so you might be justified by faith.

Rom 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter
Rom 7:7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust,3 except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8, But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9, For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10, And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Wait for it...... The context is Chapter 6

Rom 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5, For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6, Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7, For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8, Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9, Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10, For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11, Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13, Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15, What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Hope this helps

In Christ Always!
 
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So Paul is wrong in your view LGW? Christians are not called to die to the law?
Paul is right we can only be saved from our sins as we have Faith in God's Word. As we have Faith in God's Word we will die to sin
 
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To be dead unto the Law means to be dead guilty because God as a sinner so you might be justified by faith.

Rom 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter
Rom 7:7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust,3 except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8, But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9, For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10, And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Wait for it...... The context is Chapter 6

Rom 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5, For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6, Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7, For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8, Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9, Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10, For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11, Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13, Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15, What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Hope this helps

In Christ Always!
Paul is speaking of his life as a pharisee in rom 7:7-11:

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the d way of the written code.

We have got to the heart of yours, and the sda problem. As you stated, your belief is the Christian does not die to the law. You can only follow after the holy spirit if you do die to the law.
By refusing to die to the law. You cannot be led of the spirit of truth into spiritual truth.
It does not matter how much scripture you quote, that fact remains true. The Pharisees of jesus day could reel off the letter. As can jws, Mormons and Muslims. It doesn't prove they understand truth!
 
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You have not answered that question. If you believe you have copy/ paste the answer now, or repeat it

Certainly. God's Law points out sin (Rom 3:30; Rom 7:17; and Gal 3:24). It is our schoolmaster that teaches us that we are all sinners and guilty before God (Rom 3:19). They help us to see ourselves as God sees us and shows us that all our righteousness is as filthy rags (Isa 64:6). Its leads us to the foot of the cross that we might be justified by faith in the promises of God's Word which is the same Word that created all things (Gen 2:1-3). Walking in the Spirit is having faith in the Word of God to do what it says it will do. Salvation is being saved from sin which is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). As we have faith in God's Words Jesus saves us it is a gift of God and he is the one who changes us into the divine nature so we can walk in his ways (2 Peter 1:3-4). Judgement will be by rejecting God's Word and His Salvation from sin

In Christ Always!

Judgement will be by rejecting God's Word and His Salvation from sin

John 12:47-48,
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 
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Paul is right we can only be saved from our sins as we have Faith in God's Word. As we have Faith in God's Word we will die to sin
Paul states in rom 7:4&6 the Christian must die to the law, you disagree. As I said yesterday, I have never met an sda who understood Pauls message
 
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