Antichrist, Beast, False Prophet

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Thank you so much for the link. It's going to take a while to get through it because of taking notes but it is very valuable.
Hey by the way, don't just tell us what your struggling with, I'd be interested in any insights your coming up with.
 
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Even the great staute in Daniel 2, which is the main passage Protestants use to label Rome the legs of iron and as the harlot is an interpretation gone bad, full of holes.

There's NOT ONE verse of end-time prophecy that associates or implicates Rome in any way. It's all about ISLAM, the region of the Middle-East, evil Muslim clerics, the formation of two Islamic caliphates, and worldwide Islamic terrorism, i.e. the last and final round of the Crusades.
At least the protestants used a method of interpretation that allowed over 50 of them to accurately predict the French Revolution over 200 years in advance when they associated the beasts horns with the 10 kingdoms of the Western/Holy Roman Empire. They said a lot of other crazy stuff that didn't happen but they certainly got that one right.
 
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Not once that I know of dose the word imply the whole world.

It does brother, you just aren't hip to it. There is no Babylon City and never will be, thus God's servant stated as much, Babylon will never be inhabited again, so you just have to understand Revelation is a BIG CODE BOOK, and the Old Testament is the CODE to it.
 
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do you understand why john would seemingly introduce himself three times within nine verses of the first chapter? -
no one does -
no one even tries to explain it -
when I first heard it suggested that john the baptist wrote the first apocalypse, I thought it was ridiculous
-but-
after many years of research, I find it is the only thing that explains all the confusion over what the apocalypse is all about -
my blog has all the details on this
No-one tries to explain it - because it doesn't need explaining - as it doesn't remotely suggest three John's.

verse 1 John says he is the servant of Jesus.
verse 4 John sends his love to the seven churches - grace and peace be unto you
verse 9 John identifies himself with his fellow Christians of the seven churches - your brother and companion in tribulation - being part of the kingdom of God. And gives the circumstances of where he was at the time of being presented Revelation.

Victorinus, the three John's theory is too far out there for me. But thanks for explaining your view about it.
 
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Even the great staute in Daniel 2, which is the main passage Protestants use to label Rome the legs of iron and as the harlot is an interpretation gone bad, full of holes.

There's NOT ONE verse of end-time prophecy that associates or implicates Rome in any way. It's all about ISLAM, the region of the Middle-East, evil Muslim clerics, the formation of two Islamic caliphates, and worldwide Islamic terrorism, i.e. the last and final round of the Crusades.
Its about NEITHER.....The passages are very clear. Babylon and the Harlot are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

The HARLOT is False Religion........Babylon is World Governance under Satan. Babylon is the Head of Gold, what does the STATUE STAND FOR ? World Governments !! Why does God call Israel a Harlot? She served False gods.

Islam will be destroyed, thus Rev. 17:16 is PARTLY about Islam. The HARLOT is DESTROYED.
 
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Obviously you have not read what is posted on that site, because I have yet to find anyone saying the things presented at that site.

I do not debate.

I do not take it upon myself to explain to people what they should believe.

I simply provide Scripture and verifiable facts.

If you wish to believe Babylon is not a place, that is your prerogative.

But you may wish explain why would every ship master weep and wail over a non-existent place that was destroyed in one hour.

And how a non-existent place could stop purchasing merchants physical goods.

And how the sound of workman would never be heard at all ever again in a non-existent place.

Or how everyone would stand afar off from a non-existent place for fear of her torment.

Respectfully,
Lee

Lee, you have a point about the city possibly being metaphoric - but it is metaphoric to something real, which would be, imo, Satan's kingdom - antithetical to the kingdom of God.

At some point Satan's kingdom which intertwines itself with the world is going to suffer a huge financial and commerce blow. Could be when in the trumpet judgements, one of them, the second trumpet, has a third of the ships being destroyed.
 
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Obviously you have not read what is posted on that site, because I have yet to find anyone saying the things presented at that site.
Yes sir, in 30 years I have seen all of the America is Babylon books, YOUTUBE Videos etc. and America has absolutely nothing to do with Babylon. I have been to that site and over viewed it, but I do not waste time on America is Babylon sites or on Islam is the Harlot sites or on the RCC is the Harlot/BEAST sites, because they just are not factual.

I do not debate.

I do not take it upon myself to explain to people what they should believe.

I simply provide Scripture and verifiable facts.
Anyway you so desire, I find that two people talking through things can sometimes lead to breakthroughs on the ways we think, but to each his own.

If you wish to believe Babylon is not a place, that is your prerogative.

But you may wish explain why would every ship master weep and wail over a non-existent place that was destroyed in one hour.

And how a non-existent place could stop purchasing merchants physical goods

What is being hit with the Plagues of God? Is it a "City" or is it the Worlds Governments/The World? The Seals cause 1/4 of all men to die, then there is a Great Earthquake and Asteroids damage the Earth.

The Trumpets do what? 1/3 of all the Trees burn and all of the Grasses burn. Then a Mountain is cast into the Sea and a 1/3 of the Sea turns to blood, a 1/3 of the Sea Creatures die and a 1/3 of the Ships are destroyed. Then "Wormwood happens, a 1/3 of all the drinking waters are poisoned. Then we have the Three Woes, the Demon Hordes attack mankind but can only maim and harm, not kill them. Then the 2nd Woe is a 200 Million Horseman Army (IMHO, an Angelic Army bringing Plagues and Death on men) slays 1/3 of all mankind that's left. We then have the 3rd Woe (7th Trumpet) which is the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath.

The Seven Vials: The Numbers represent the Angels pouring their Vial out.

1. The first Angel pours out his Vial and grievous sores come upon all men who have taken the Mark of the Beast. 2. Then the whole Sea became as Blood and EVERY living Creature in the Sea died. 3.Then ALL the Waters of the whole world were made as blood. 4. Men were then scorched by the Sun. 5. Then the whole world becomes as DARK.

The Sixth Angel of course brings forth the Armies to Armageddon, the Kings of the East who IMHO, are Arab Countries join up with the European Kings of the Anti-Christ.

Then the Seventh Angel of Course is poured out and Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives, a GREAT EARTHQUAKE HAPPENS, of course the Mt of Olives is split into, and then Jesus defeats the Anti-Christ and his kings/armies WITHOUT HANDS or by the Holy Spirit. He SPOKE IT, of course.

So the point is, these PLAGUES are coming against the whole world brother. Of course COMMERCE is destroyed, in the Seals we had a 1/4 of all mankind killed, that's 1.5 Billion to 2 Billion people killed in Wars, that's on top of One Billion Christians who IMHO, are Raptured. Then we have the trees and grasses Burning, all the grasses burn up, and 1/3 of the trees. (This is Babylon Burning). We have Creatures of the Sea dying, 1/3 the first time and the All the Creatures die when the Vial is poured out, you have a 1/3 of the Ships destroyed in the Trumpet and all the ships destroyed when the Vial is poured out.

So Commerce is Destroyed, there are NO PEOPLE LEFT, the 2nd Woe again kills off 1/3 of the people that's left. So we go from 7 Billion to 6 Billion with the Rapture, then down to 4.5 Billion after the Anti-Christ comes forth, then the 2nd Woe kills another 1.5 Billion so we will be down to 3 Billion people. Ships are destroyed, the Sea is turned to Blood and there is no fish, no shrimp, etc. etc. The Suns light is reduced by a 1/3 then it turns totally dark, there is NO PRODUCE, things need sun to grow. The Drinking waters are all poisoned.

This is why Babylon is the WHOLE WORLD, the Commerce of the Whole World is beset by these Plagues, God is NOT PUNISHING ONE CITY !! God is punishing this World, the Babylon that is burning is the WHOLE WORLDS Trees and Grasses. The Commerce is no doubt destroyed, that is what Plagues do to the Earth.

These are Metaphors, Babylon is seen as the Head of Gold to the Statue that Represents World Governance. Babylon will never be Inhabited again, Babylon is used because if Rome sees Babylon will be under attack, they will laugh (back then) thinking Babylon is a dead city, but in fact Babylon means the WHOLE WORLD, if John said God was going to destroy the Whole World, Rome would have seen this as threatening. There are reasons Babylon was used. All of Revelation is a big CODE BOOK.

People standing afar off is people trying to hide their faces from Gods Wrath. Also, Rev. 18 begins with the Seals and gets progressively worse, the Seal, followed by the Trumpets followed by the Deadly Vials.

Peace be unto all...........God Bless.
 
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Your whole theory relies on your own supernatural experience and the assumption that the seven hills ARE the seven kings. The text itself says there are seven hills and EIGHT kings and it does not say that the seven hills and seven plus one king are the same 'thing'... I'm not saying it's not true though, but it's a speculative theory just like everyone else who ever speculated about revelation. To claim to know it as a certain fact is like claiming to be the author lol.

The verses are VERY CLEAR here. If the Seven Headed Beast stands for Seven Kingdoms then how do you come up with ONE CITY on Seven Hills? This blows the whole Theory of a City on Seven Hills to smithereens.

The facts are the seven heads are SEVEN KINGDOMS meaning there can NEVER BE a City with Seven Hills. Its a LEGEND/Tradition of men.

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (OROS one who arises above the Plains), on which the woman sitteth. (So she sat on all Seven Kingdoms that Means she sat on Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and ROME and will sit on the Anti-Christ, who will destroy her)

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece) , and ONE IS (Rome), and the other is not yet come (Anti-Christ/Little Horn); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Apollyon) 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.(10 European Kings)

So the Seven Mountains are not Mountains but Kings who have arisen. You can not have a Seven Headed Beast of SEVEN DIFFERENT KINGDOMS, turn into Seven Mountains or Hills in ONE CITY.......That is an impossibility.
 
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Lee, you have a point about the city being metaphoric - but it is metaphoric to something real, which would be, imo, Satan's kingdom - antithetical to the kingdom of God.

At some point Satan's kingdom which intertwines itself with the world is going to suffer a huge financial and commerce blow. Could be when in the trumpet judgements, one of them, the second trumpet, has a third of the ships being destroyed.

Thank you for your input, it is appreciated and respected.

I have enjoyed your perspectives after reading your posts on many threads!

You know, the whole world has many theories. Most then spend their time trying to prove their theories correct.

The problem with that is, that if it takes pounding a square peg into a round hole to support the theory, they do.

All I can tell you is that my experience is completely opposite.


I ask God just one thing; to know truth, so that I could follow truth.

I thought it would be a light thing, as I thought if I learned one or two more things, I would have it all,

What I found out was that I did not know anything.

What is hidden by God, can only be revealed by God.

I was shown a breadcrumb, so I picked it up. It led to the next breadcrumb. I followed the trail of breadcrumbs.

I had no theory. I did not know where it would lead. When I looked up, this is where I found myself.


The whole world insists that we believe as they do. They are so very sure they are right.

Let me ask one thing if I could;

Were the people that thought the world was flat stupid people, or was the real culprit a lack of available information to base their understanding upon?


Do you believe the "great deceiver" would just as soon you not see certain things he has tried to cover over with lies?


All I offer is the TESTIMONY of FIVE WITNESS'S

-Daniel
-John(revelation)
-Jesus Christ
-God Himself
-Verifiable Documented Human History.


No theories, no speculation, no denominational doctrines. Just the TESTIMONY of FIVE WITNESS'S


It is my hope you test this for truth, and show me the error in what I was led to, if it were present.

That is all I have ever asked of anyone.

May God bless you and yours!
Lee

IS AMERICA - Great City Harlot Mystery Babylon Revelation 17? The Evidence is Overwhelming!
 
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The verses are VERY CLEAR here. If the Seven Headed Beast stands for Seven Kingdoms then how do you come up with ONE CITY on Seven Hills? This blows the whole Theory of a City on Seven Hills to smithereens.

The facts are the seven heads are SEVEN KINGDOMS meaning there can NEVER BE a City with Seven Hills. Its a LEGEND/Tradition of men.

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (OROS one who arises above the Plains), on which the woman sitteth. (So she sat on all Seven Kingdoms that Means she sat on Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and ROME and will sit on the Anti-Christ, who will destroy her)

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece) , and ONE IS (Rome), and the other is not yet come (Anti-Christ/Little Horn); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Apollyon) 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.(10 European Kings)

So the Seven Mountains are not Mountains but Kings who have arisen. You can not have a Seven Headed Beast of SEVEN DIFFERENT KINGDOMS, turn into Seven Mountains or Hills in ONE CITY.......That is an impossibility.

You are right that the 7 heads are 7 kingdoms.

You just have simply misidentified the first 6.

But if you already have it figured out, I wouldn't want to throw a wrench in your gears my brother.
 
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The facts are the seven heads are SEVEN KINGDOMS meaning there can NEVER BE a City with Seven Hills.
they could be seven dynasties -
the roman empire had seven dynasties -
the roman empire had two cities with seven hills -
one is fallen and can be found no more at all
 
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You are right that the 7 heads are 7 kingdoms.

You just have simply misidentified the first 6.

But if you already have it figured out, I wouldn't want to throw a wrench in your gears my brother.
Well lets go through the first laws of prophecy, let the bible interpret the bible first and foremost when possible. What is a Seven Headed Beast? Seven Kingdoms, and as we see in Rev. 13 the Lion, (Babylon), Leopard (Greece) and Bear (Persia) is found to be a part of the Seven Headed Beast, so again What is a BEAST?

A Beast of Daniel 7 is of course a Kingdom that Conquers, Enslaves or Rules Israel, that is what makes it a BEAST to the Kingdom of Israel. So then we must determine who are the Seven Heads. We know that Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome are the Four Beasts mentioned in Daniel 7, and we also know the Little Horn arises out of the Fourth Beast 2000 some odd years after the Fourth Beast ceased to exist as a Beast in that they Ruled Israel, and Israel was no more in basically 125 AD. So we have no BEAST...The Beast that Was....IS NOT (For 2000 years) YET IS. When Israel is dispersed around the world they are as Dead Men's Bones just as Ezekiel Prophesied. In 1948 those Bones came alive again, just as Ezekiel Prophesied would happen, "Son of Man, can these Bones live Again !!

So We Have Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the Coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn who is a BEAST for 42 Months when he Conquers Jerusalem. The other two are not that hard to figure out when we research history, the other two Kingdoms that Enslaved/Conquered/Ruled Israel were Egypt and Assyria.

So the bible interprets itself, we know Israel was Enslaved in Egypt, and that Assyria took the 10 Tribes away. The Seven Headed Beast can be none other than, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the Little Horn who becomes a BEAST when he conquers Jerusalem.

I used to have theories also, but they were all wrong. God is revealing these truths unto us in these last days. John/Jesus told us about the Lion, Leopard and Bear on purpose, to let us know who they are.
 
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We know that Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome are the Four Beasts
not so fast -
why is persia a beast? -
what did they do? -
the others messed with the temple
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that makes them beasts -
you need to find one more that is a real beast -
one diverse from all the others
 
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I am just so confused. I've read Revelation. Now I'm studying it. It's taken me a couple of months of daily study to get to chapter 6 and it's here that we encounter the Antichrist. I was surprised that the guy on the white horse that showed up when the first seal is broken is NOT Christ. The first time I read Revelation I just assumed that it was. Now that I'm reading again I can see that it's clear that he is the Antichrist.

Fine

So suddenly I get to thinking, there are 3 terrifying creatures in the book. There is the Antichrist, who I assume will be the political leader. Then there is the False Prophet that I thought would be the leader of the one world religion and finally the Beast. I never understood WHAT the Beast was except a terrifying creature.

Now I'm thinking, could they all be the same person (creature)? Like in small towns sometimes a shopkeeper might also be the mayor?

So apparently I just don't understand. Could somebody shed some light on this and please bear in mind that I haven't been a Christian for a long time so my understanding of the Bible is not as deep and profound as your's might be.

I've read the entirety of the Bible but now I'm going back for depth.

Thank you in advance

the wicked one itself is the main antichrist, i.e. the devil (Revelation 12:3-4), the second devil called "beast" (Revelation 13:1-2), and the "other beast" also called "false prophet" (Revelation 13:11-12) - these three are unsouled spirits and the three main delusive/deceitful manifestations of the "darkness"; they are the satanic equivalent(s) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the true Lord God, so the "dragon", the "beast" and the "other beast" are the "wicked/evil one", which is the main antichrist and man of sin i.e. the sinful self of every antichrist i.e. of every man that commits spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness, or as St John says:

1 John 2:18-19 "Little children, it is the last time(also: it is a perilous time): and as you have heard that antichrist shall come(i.e. because as you have heard the wicked/evil one works in the world so that he may increase his power), even now are there many antichrists(i.e. and, even now, there are many spiritual workers/servants of the "darkness"/unrighteousness); whereby we know that it is the last time(i.e. and this is one of the signs by which we can know that now is a perilous time). They went out from us(i.e. the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants became religious worshipers (by) using the great mercy and patience of God that manifests in/through us), but they were not of us(i.e. but they were only partially with us); for if they had been of us(i.e. because if they had really/truly been with us), they would no doubt have continued with us(i.e. then they would undoubtedly have stayed (all) with us): but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us(i.e. but they have contrasted with us, with which they (kind of) demonstrated that they are actually not with us)."

the wicked/evil one increases his power through people that commit spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness - the more numerous they are, the more the wicked/evil one may (God forbid) increase its power

the "dragon", the first "beast" and the "other beast" are known as "sat-cit-ananda" in hinduism

Blessings
 
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