Is it okay to be a Christian and support same sex marriage?

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Irrelevant. The "hate" thing was directed at ME.

WRONG!!!! But thanks for playing. For a consolation prize you get a free "get out of Purgatory" card. I was not railing against you, I was railing against the attitude, and the "Christians" that did such things.
 
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WRONG!!!! But thanks for playing. For a consolation prize you get a free "get out of Purgatory" card. I was not railing against you, I was railing against the attitude, and the "Christians" that did such things.
No, sir. YOU didn't start the "hate" comment. SilverBear did in #145, and he was accusing me of "spewing hatred".
 
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But answer my question: How does this lead my brother to a Christian Walk? He's lived with his partner for 50 years. Do YOU want to break them up?
Replace homosexuality with some other sin in that scenario.

"How does this my brother to a Christian Walk? He's mugged people for 50 years. Do YOU want to tell him he has to stop?" Should we really hesitate to point out he should stop mugging people?

Can you make a list of what sins we should tell people to stop doing if they want to live a Christian life, and which ones we have to be silent about?
 
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Replace homosexuality with some other sin in that scenario.

"How does this my brother to a Christian Walk? He's mugged people for 50 years. Do YOU want to tell him he has to stop?" Should we really hesitate to point out he should stop mugging people?

Can you make a list of what sins we should tell people to stop doing if they want to live a Christian life, and which ones we have to be silent about?

That's always a good test.

Insert, "racist" in place of homosexuality. How patient would our Liberal friends be with that one???
 
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yes, you are right about that, and the problem comes, first of all, from the kingdom of spiritual unrighteousness, i mean many spiritual servants didn't take good care of their neighbors/cohabitants, of course by saying that i am not trying to say that i defend anyone else's iniquity

maybe yes, in the army they put some kind of bromide in our food

Blessings

I was in the marines.
 
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But answer my question: How does this lead my brother to a Christian Walk? He's lived with his partner for 50 years. Do YOU want to break them up?
Yes. And now I know that we don't agree. And now I know that you wish to 'Compromise' with the word of God. But again, I'm not saying if the 2 of them were in my church I'm throwing them out to the curb, I'm saying if they ask me if they should still be together I'm going to give them God's answer, and not the politically correct answer.
 
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Let me start off by apologizing if I'm putting this in the wrong part of the forum. This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I'm hoping to get some opinions. I support not only same sex marriage, but also the LGBT community in general. Can I still be a Christian despite this? I know that something such as same sex marriage directly goes against what's in the Bible (marriage being between one man and one woman). I'm really conflicted here. I feel guilty, but I can't change how I feel. Thanks for reading.

The Bible does not encourage us to enforce a Christian lifestyle on others but actually discourages it:

Revelation 22:
Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


Matthew 13:
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way...
...The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

We should look at sinners with compassion as we would want to be treated ourselves because we are all sinners. We should not openly support them in their error. But that's another subject.
 
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The Bible does not encourage us to enforce a Christian lifestyle on others but actually discourages it:

Revelation 22:
Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


Matthew 13:
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way...
...The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

We should look at sinners with compassion as we would want to be treated ourselves because we are all sinners. We should not openly support them in their error. But that's another subject.

Is that what Christianity is, a "lifestyle"?
 
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As a writer of fantasy fiction, I resent that!
Hopefully you can tell the difference between good and bad fantasy
fiction. Because that theory my friend IS reaching. LOL.

My brother, I am not trying to put you out or make myself seem more righteous than you or anyone else. But with the Bible in order to be called a Christian you either believe in its word or you don't. How I wish the zeal the LGBT community had for their cause we Christians would
inculcate. They do not waver and are unashamed.
 
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Goodness, I hope you said that with a smile on your face.
do you think I would tell a child molester the same thing with a smile on my face???

Well maybe, child molesters at least have the decency to not be committing an abomination.

Nevertheless, I will not judge you, obviously, the demon of perversion that has possessed you is causing you to choose to mix your fabrics.
 
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Is that what Christianity is, a "lifestyle"?
"Lifestyle", "worldview", and "values": Those are words used to describe specific aspects of the Christian faith but are not representative of the whole. Not sure what brought that comment...
 
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and it got booted off the list when no one could find any shred of evidence that it was a mental disorder

even evilness is a mental deviation, why?!, because God made the man good in the beginning putting goodness in his heart and mind, and evilness was not inherent for the man until the serpent(satan) seduced him into sinning, which is why Jesus says:

Matthew 9:12-13 "They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

so if Jesus called mobsters and criminals sick needing cure, how much more is it certain that such people as homosexuals are sick?!

Blessings
 
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Christians spent generations preaching that African's had black skin because they had been cursed. How widely held is that doctrine today?
My point is that when you start tossing out words like cursed and perversion and demonic when talking about entire minorities as a means to justify prejudice you alienate every rational person around you especially that minority. You can't encourage any doctrine while spewing that sort of filth.

You're assuming I am prejudiced, which I am not.
You're also assuming that everyone who speaks of demons is "spewing filth," which would have you accusing the Lord Jesus Christ Himself of doing so as well (Luke 11:18-20, Luke 13:32).
And if you are trying to convert "every rational person" to a God who speaks regularly in His word about Satan, demons, Heaven, Hell, angels, supernatural gifts, and a whole host of other things that rational men cannot explain, no wonder you actually end up opposing the word of God rather than upholding it.
 
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Let me start off by apologizing if I'm putting this in the wrong part of the forum. This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I'm hoping to get some opinions. I support not only same sex marriage, but also the LGBT community in general. Can I still be a Christian despite this? I know that something such as same sex marriage directly goes against what's in the Bible (marriage being between one man and one woman). I'm really conflicted here. I feel guilty, but I can't change how I feel. Thanks for reading.
I think you know the answer...
 
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So you would cast out your brother in Christ because he doesn't reflect your "well bred" morality?

This question is poorly worded at best, and I think you know that in your heart of hearts. MY "well bred" morality? Are you kidding me? We all struggle with sin. The temptations to sin come in various forms, but they all come from the same fallen angels and demons. The Church becomes the Church triumphant in the fullness of time because she remains the Church militant during the passage of time. Morality comes from God alone. It was established by Him, and since the incarnation has been written in our hearts rather than on tablets. Jesus challenges us to pick up our crosses and follow Him daily. There is nothing wrong, per say with same sex attraction. It is a temptation that comes to some percentage of persons. Just as the temptation for pre-marital relations, adultery, and even unspeakable things come into the minds of some persons. These impulses don't separate a person from Christ. But intentionally acting on the impulses, and then accepting the bad catechesis of a fallen secular society as truth and justification, is sin. It is sin for the society to say that it is NOT sin. (Nations will also be judged in the fullness of time).

It's not for me to judge anyone. But with our professed Christian brothers and sisters who persist in sin, and then justify the reasoning for this based on man made laws so that they can "feel" more comfortable with themselves is the essential problem with the fall of Christendom. It is the reason why Jesus tells us that the road to perdition is wide, and many are those who are on it. He beckons us to choose the narrow gate. To eschew the temptations. At no time in God's relationship with man has he ever promised or even hinted that the current mortal life that we are living should by necessity bring you comfort. This life constitutes a trial. It is a trial of faith, and a trial of love. Christians are to be known for the love of one another. If we love each other as the Christ wants us to, then we must also help each other get to Heaven. This is why there is a procedure in scripture for helping a brother or sister who is falling away from the flock by giving in to sin, and calling it okay. Acquiescence and acceptance of sinful behavior between professed Christians is NOT love. It is only tolerance for the sake of temporal peace, and not wishing to work through challenges and difficulties. The easiest path is always the path of least resistance. G.K. Chesterton famously quoted: “A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.” The Christian has been marked out for living. For being a force swimming up stream. For graciously picking up our cross each day and following our Lord. For following the paths of righteousness even at our own peril during this short mortal life. And if we love, we want to see all of our brothers and sister in Christ both with us in heaven as the Church triumphant, but also here in this life fighting by our side as the Church militant towards that end. When we just give in to sin, by normalizing our concupiscence, we are just joining the masses on the road to hell, instead of encouraging our brothers and sisters to enter heaven through the narrow way.

In any event, it's not "My morality" which sets any standard whatsoever. And I am not well bred. I'm as proletariat as they come. But I, and my Christian brothers and sisters were chosen out of the world. We no longer belong to ourselves. We are supposed to have died in our Baptisms, and allowed Christ to live in us. When we coddle and give into our temptations we are damaging our relationship with God. I worry more for the soul of the person telling a sinner it's okay to go on sinning, then for the sinner committing the sin. I pray for both. And I ask for prayers from you, in dealing with my demons, temptations, and for the strength to pick up my cross daily to follow our Lord as well.

May God bless,

Steve
 
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I do not accept same sex marriage as a function of Christianity.

You shouldn't be looking under peoples skirts or down their pants.
I don't find that acceptable behavior.

A. In everything then,
B. do unto others
C. as you would have them do unto you.
D. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.
 
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