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That we see in Scripture...?Is it similar to something else...?
Or is symbolic or metaphorical of something else...?
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That we see in Scripture...?Is it similar to something else...?
Or is symbolic or metaphorical of something else...?
Over and over again perhaps...?That we see in Scripture...?
Is it similar to something else...?
Or is symbolic or metaphorical of something else...?
1) In the Bible God taught Adam and Eve to be vegan. In fact it was the same for animals too:
It was disobeying God. When they ate the fruit they disobeyed God and sin came into their lives. They had a perfect existence and all they had to do was obey God and not eat from a couple of tree's. What tree it was is, I think, unimportant. The tree and fruit wasnt the issue. Obeying God was. When they ate the fruit, the knowledge of good and evil was knowing they had disobeyed God so they became aware of their guilt in disobeying him (evil) which led to their understanding that obeying God is good and self awareness of their bodies and their nakedness.
It was disobeying God. When they ate the fruit they disobeyed God and sin came into their lives. They had a perfect existence and all they had to do was obey God and not eat from a couple of tree's. What tree it was is, I think, unimportant. The tree and fruit wasnt the issue. Obeying God was. When they ate the fruit, the knowledge of good and evil was knowing they had disobeyed God so they became aware of their guilt in disobeying him (evil) which led to their understanding that obeying God is good and self awareness of their bodies and their nakedness.
I do not read the Genesis myth as a fall from an original state of perfection into sin and death. The first couple were completely innocent and naive creatures. They were certainly capable of making a mistake but, without knowing good from evil, they lacked even the ability to sin. That ability came only with them eating of the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil". To me the story is a "coming of age story". Our mythical first couple graduated from animal status into to fully self aware human beings capable of making moral judgments. This is not an Original Sin story but rather an Original Blessing story that should be celebrated. We are not a people fallen from an original state of perfection into sin and death. What we are is a people that is still evolving. We are no longer "just animals" but something more.
Why the expulsion from Eden? In the mythology, I believe it to be symbolic that mankind was no longer a naïve creature living in moral ignorance but had become real men and women living in a world where there was real good and evil.
The fish fry was in the gospels and Christ ate meat after His resurrection and had no problem with his disciples being meat eaters. That last is the main point.The fish fry concept was covered in Revelation, at some point meat is done away with, supporting Christ giving out bread and wine:
Are you Mormon?.........Then how, we have spirits kept in heaven awaiting bodies here on earth, surely it didn't change the spirits in heaven, what Adam and Eve did..........
The fish fry was in the gospels and Christ ate meat after His resurrection and had no problem with his disciples being meat eaters. That last is the main point.
Not that I believe we'll eat meat in the new world - but exactly where does it say that meat eating is done away with? I don't see it anywhere.
Are you Mormon?
I though you were likely Catholic because of your previous comment about Jesus feeding us on bread and wine in the future.I follow Catholic unless God has directed me otherwise,
What do you mean technically?No I am not Mormon technically
Yes.........do you find spirits in heaven a Mormon belief?
There are many Mormon and anti Mormon publications on paper and online that will tell you all about it.And if so or if not, either way, what exactly is Mormon to you?
Adam and Eve ate of "The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil", but was that a metaphoric tree representing lineage of animals? I will attempt to explain and offer scientific evidence that supports that the fruit of knowledge of good and evil was meat from animals.
1) In the Bible God taught Adam and Eve to be vegan. In fact it was the same for animals too:
Genisis: {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good.
2) But man didn't obey the Good, and they ate of "the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil". And then God instituted burnt offerings which were meat.
3) Which led eventually to the sacrament of Jesus the Christ and the doing away of burnt offerings. And Jesus the Christ gave out bread as his body which is made from seed, and wine for his blood which is made from fruit. He didn't give out meat.
If we are to say we are born into sin, from Adam and Eve, then what is it if not being born into a body? And what is our body if not genetically different from Adam and Eve, remember they weren't born into sin, but our bodies are.
We have recent science that suggests that meat may have changed us genetically over the years and caused us to grow in knowledge of good and evil, intelligence:
Here's a science article section:
"As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it's entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn't even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are."
It's from the article here:
Sorry Vegans: Here's How Meat-Eating Made Us Human
I though you were likely Catholic because of your previous comment about Jesus feeding us on bread and wine in the future.
Then I thought perhaps you were Mormon because of the spirits in Heaven awaiting physical bodies comment.
What do you mean technically?
Yes.
There are many Mormon and anti Mormon publications on paper and online that will tell you all about it.
Although I do believe that many Mormons will be saved in spite of what they have been involved in - what Mormonism is to me is a cult which preaches a different gospel than the one delivered to me in the scriptures.
My thoughts are the same concerning Roman Catholicism as practiced by many people.
Leeriness about different gospels is why I tried to pin you down earlier about whether all this talk about unclean eating tied into your concept of either gaining or retaining salvation in the basic sense.
I never did get that clear.
Does not eating meat have any connection to being saved in your understanding? Can one lose their salvation by eating unclean things?
Don't just quote passages again about the desirability of not being unclean. Answer the salvation question directly if you would.
Thanks!
Good IMO. That's about where I stand.I don't have any beliefs of about clean or unclean meats, I think unclean refers to the possibility to catch disease from animals, but that's just my OT opinion. Technically I eat meat! And I don't consider if it's clean or unclean biblically. Christ took care of that.
You are correct as I see it to say that the Bible says nothing about the mechanisms of our spirit creation. IMO, that being the case, it is best to not assume anything other than that when physical life begins spirit life begins as well.I used to be LDS, so maybe there are some residual beliefs from that religion, so please correct me if I stated something that was not a Christian belief. In that regard, there is clearly from the bible a body and spirit, so if we get a body here on earth, when is our spirit created? since the bible seems to say nothing about spirit creation I can only assume our spirits reside with God before this life here on earth. Is that incorrect to you?
Good IMO. That's about where I stand.
Often times folks who come from a background with what I would call a convoluted view of the salvation process easily fall into beliefs which add certain stipulations to the gospel message.
It's nice to see you are not linking any "uncleanness" which may occur from eating certain meats to salvation. A couple of things you said made me question that.
You are correct as I see it to say that the Bible says nothing about the mechanisms of our spirit creation. IMO, that being the case, it is best to not assume anything other than that when physical life begins spirit life begins as well.
Most see God creating us "wonderfully" through knitting us together in our mother's womb to include somehow producing both body and spirit. Of course it could be different and we'll see when we get to look at things more clearly.
Anastasia has informed us that spirit beings awaiting a body is also an Eastern Orthodox view. I'll bow to her expertise in the matter.
But in the west that is most often associated with Mormon teaching. Of course with them there is a lot more to it than that. There is a teaching about our becoming "Gods" in the process. Also that Satan and Jesus were spirit brothers etc. is a teaching which compounds an error in thinking along the lines of spirits being generated by God through union with a "Mrs. God" and other such Mormon non-sense.
This is one of the questions we will all enjoy getting the answer to on the other side of things.That's an interesting view I never conceived before: That "I am" of people, the eye of the soul, didn't exist before being conceived in the womb. So in your view, technically I didn't exist before I was a single cell becoming a fetus. Interesting.