Eating swine & other unclean animals is a work of the flesh

W2L · Aug 18, 2017

Dkh587 said:
If you are seriously asking, why don't you go back to the post earlier in the thread where I linked the Strong's concordance for you? I gave you several resources to help you truly understand

Common is basically the opposite of holy, or set-apart.

Our clothing that we wear is common, it's not set-apart. Aaron and the priests had set-apart/holy garments, which is the opposite of common. Set-apart means exactly what it says. It's set-apart for special use. It's consecrated. It's holy/set-apart.

When Aaron and the priests would take off their set-apart/holy garments, they would put on what you could consider "common" clothing.

They had a tradition in Peter's day, where they would not eat clean animals that had been around unclean animals. That was not a sin according to the law. They were rejecting what God had cleaned(the clean animals), and were calling it unclean. Peter did this during the vision. He called the clean animals common & unclean.

They considered clean animals that had been around unclean animals "common", and that they were not fit for consumption, but that was not true - that's not according to the law of God. Their tradition was that the clean animal that they considered "common" was also unclean. Not so. Remember, God only cleaned certain animals. These were the beasts Peter could have eaten, but he rejected all of them. It was okay to eat the clean animals, even though they had been touching the unclean.

The law says we can eat clean animals - it doesn't say that we can't eat clean animals if they've been around unclean animals. The tradition in Peter's day was that they refused clean animals(because they had been around unclean animals), which was WRONG, you shouldn't refuse clean animals, just like Peter shouldn't have been rejecting the Gentiles who were coming to faith. Obviously Peter would not be accepting and hanging out with people who don't believe and reject Messiah. He would be accepting Gentile Believers of Messiah.

This is what Peter's vision is all about. God is correcting him on his understanding of accepting Gentiles, by teaching him that first, it is acceptable to eat clean animals that had been around unclean animals. And that Peter should also accept the cleaned gentiles, which represent cleaned animals on the sheet, just like he should eat the clean meat that was around the unclean.

Peter was not accepting believing Gentiles(a clean animal) that had come out from around the unbelieving gentiles(unclean animals).

Hope this helps

ok, im speechless.

Dkh587 · Aug 18, 2017

W2L said:
ok, im speechless.

In a good or bad way?

W2L · Aug 18, 2017

Dkh587 said:
In a good or bad way?

Bad way, but im cool.

Dkh587 · Aug 18, 2017

W2L said:
Bad way, but im cool.

Why? What did you think about my post? Did it help? Do you understand the difference between the 2: common(koinos) and unclean(akathartos)?

I'm seriously trying to help you & anybody else understand Peter's vision... that it's not teaching that it's okay to eat unclean animals..

W2L · Aug 18, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Why? What did you think about my post? Did it help? Do you understand the difference between the 2? Common and unclean?

I'm seriously trying to help you & anybody else understand Peter's vision... that it's not teaching that it's okay to eat unclean animals..

If "common" is the opposite of "Holy" then common is unclean. Thats the way i see it anyway.

Dkh587 · Aug 18, 2017

W2L said:
If "common" is the opposite of "Holy" then common is unclean. Thats the way i see it anyway.

It basically means unholy lol. It doesn't mean unclean though.

Leviticus 10:10
And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean

You see? 4 different words. Holy(set-apart), and unholy(common), and unclean and clean

1st Samuel 21:4
And the priest answered David, and said, There is no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women.

Common bread is not unclean bread. It's unholy, but it's not unclean.

Common, or unholy bread would not be acceptable where Holy bread was required. But common bread is not unclean just because it is "common".

ETA: common(unholy) bread and holy bread are both CLEAN, it's just that 1 is holy, and the other is common(unholy). the common bread is not unclean.

Do you see the difference?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 18, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Why? What did you think about my post? Did it help? Do you understand the difference between the 2: common(koinos) and unclean(akathartos)?

I'm seriously trying to help you & anybody else understand Peter's vision... that it's not teaching that it's okay to eat unclean animals..

Common: Man, this is a toughy....best to just let the Jews figure it out

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number G2839 matches the Greek κοινός (koinos), which occurs 12 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance
2839. koinos koy-nos' probably from 4862; common, i.e. (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane:--common, defiled, unclean, unholy.

Strong's Greek: 2839. κοινός (koinos) -- common

2839 koinós – properly, common, referring to what is defiled (stripped of specialness) because treated as ordinary ("common"). 2839 /koinós ("defiled") describes the result of a person reducing what God calls special (holy, set apart) – to what is mundane, i.e. stripping it of its sacredness.

2839 /koinós ("defiled because treated as common") is always used negatively, i.e. for what is profaned – except in Jude 1:3 where it refers to the gift of salvation shared (held in common) by all true believers.

[2839 /koinós ("common") typically refers to spiritual desecration. This happens when a person treats what is sacred (set apart to God) as ordinary ("not special").]

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2839: κοινός

κοινός, κοινῇ, κοινόν (from ξύν, σύν, with; hence especially in epic ξυνός for κοινός, whence the Latincena ((?); see Vanicek, p. 1065));
1. as in Greek writings from Hesiod (Works, 721) down (opposed to ἴδιος) common (i. e. belonging to several, Latincommunis): Acts 2:44; Acts 4:32; κοινῇ πίστις, Titus 1:4; σωτηρία, Jude 1:3.

2. by a usage foreign to classical Greek, common i. e. ordinary, belonging to the generality (Latinvulgaris); by the Jews opposed to ἅγιος, ἡγιασμένος, καθαρός; hence unhallowed, Latinprofanus, levitically unclean (in classical Greek βέβηλος, which see 2): Mark 7:2, 5 (where R L marginal reading ἀνίπτοις); Romans 14:14; Hebrews 10:29; Revelation 21:27 (Rec. κοινοῦν) (1 Macc. 1:47; φαγεῖν κοινά; 1 Macc. 1:62; κοινοῖ ἄνθρωποι, common people,profanum vulgus, Josephus, Antiquities 12, 2, 14; οἱ τόν κοινόν βίον προηρήμενοι, i. e. a life repugnant to the holy law, ibid. 13, 1, 1; οὐ γάρ ὡς κοινόν ἄρτον οὐδέ ὡς κονον πόμα ταῦτα (i. e. the bread and wine of the sacred supper) λαμβάνομεν, Justin Martyr, Apology 1, 66; (οἱ Χριστιανοι) τράπεζαν κοινήν παρατιθενται, ἀλλ' οὐ κοινήν, a table communis but not profanus, Ep. ad Diogn. 5 [ET], on which cf. Otto's note); κοινόν καί (R G ἤ) ἀκάθαρτον, Acts 10:14; κοινόν ἤ ἀκάθαρτον, Acts 10:28; Acts 11:8 (κοινά ἤ ἀκάθαρτα οὐκ ἐσθίομεν, Justin Martyr, dialog contra Trypho,

Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Greek 2839
14 Occurrences

κοινά — 2 Occ.
κοιναῖς — 2 Occ.
κοινὴν — 1 Occ.
κοινῆς — 1 Occ.
κοινὸν — 8 Occ.

Mark 7:2 Adj-DFP
GRK: αὐτοῦ ὅτι κοιναῖς χερσίν τοῦτ'
NAS: their bread with impure hands,
KJV: bread with defiled, that is to say,
INT: of him that with defiled hands that

Mark 7:5 Adj-DFP
GRK: πρεσβυτέρων ἀλλὰ κοιναῖς χερσὶν ἐσθίουσιν
NAS: their bread with impure hands?
INT: elders but with unwashed hands eat

Acts 2:44 Adj-ANP
GRK: εἶχον ἅπαντα κοινά
NAS: and had all things in common;
KJV: had all things common;
INT: having all things in common

Acts 4:32 Adj-NNP
GRK: αὐτοῖς ἅπαντα κοινά
NAS: but all things were common property to them.
KJV: had all things common.
INT: to them all things common

Acts 10:14 Adj-ANS
GRK: ἔφαγον πᾶν κοινὸν καὶ ἀκάθαρτον
NAS: eaten anything unholy and unclean.
KJV: any thing that is common or
INT: did I eat anything common or unclean

Acts 10:28 Adj-AMS
GRK: ἔδειξεν μηδένα κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον
NAS: any man unholy or unclean.
KJV: any man common or unclean.
INT: showed not common or unclean

Acts 11:8 Adj-ANS
GRK: κύριε ὅτι κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον
NAS: Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean
KJV: for nothing common or unclean
INT: Lord for common or unclean

Romans 14:14 Adj-NNS
GRK: ὅτι οὐδὲν κοινὸν δι' ἑαυτοῦ
NAS: that nothing is unclean in itself;
KJV: [there is] nothing unclean of
INT: that nothing [is] unclean of itself

Romans 14:14 Adj-ANS
GRK: λογιζομένῳ τι κοινὸν εἶναι ἐκείνῳ
NAS: anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
KJV: to be unclean, to him
INT: reckons anything unclean to be to that one

Romans 14:14 Adj-NNS
GRK: εἶναι ἐκείνῳ κοινόν
NAS: to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
KJV: unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
INT: to be to that one unclean [it is]

Titus 1:4 Adj-AFS
GRK: τέκνῳ κατὰ κοινὴν πίστιν χάρις
NAS: my TRUE child in a common faith: Grace
KJV: son after the common faith: Grace,
INT: child according to [our] common faith Grace

Hebrews 10:29 Adj-ANS
GRK: τῆς διαθήκης κοινὸν ἡγησάμενος ἐν
NAS: and has regarded as unclean the blood
KJV: he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and
INT: of the covenant common having esteemed in

Jude 1:3 Adj-GFS
GRK: περὶ τῆς κοινῆς ἡμῶν σωτηρίας
NAS: you about our common salvation,
KJV: of the common salvation,
INT: concerning the common of us salvation

Revelation 21:27 Adj-NNS
GRK: αὐτὴν πᾶν κοινὸν καὶ ὁ
NAS: and nothing unclean, and no
INT: it anything defiling and those

14 Occurrences

Dkh587 · Aug 18, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Common: Man, this is a toughy....best to just let the Jews figure it out

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number G2839 matches the Greek κοινός (koinos), which occurs 12 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance
2839. koinos koy-nos' probably from 4862; common, i.e. (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane:--common, defiled, unclean, unholy.

Strong's Greek: 2839. κοινός (koinos) -- common

2839 koinós – properly, common, referring to what is defiled (stripped of specialness) because treated as ordinary ("common"). 2839 /koinós ("defiled") describes the result of a person reducing what God calls special (holy, set apart) – to what is mundane, i.e. stripping it of its sacredness.

2839 /koinós ("defiled because treated as common") is always used negatively, i.e. for what is profaned – except in Jude 1:3 where it refers to the gift of salvation shared (held in common) by all true believers.

[2839 /koinós ("common") typically refers to spiritual desecration. This happens when a person treats what is sacred (set apart to God) as ordinary ("not special").]

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2839: κοινός

κοινός, κοινῇ, κοινόν (from ξύν, σύν, with; hence especially in epic ξυνός for κοινός, whence the Latincena ((?); see Vanicek, p. 1065));
1. as in Greek writings from Hesiod (Works, 721) down (opposed to ἴδιος) common (i. e. belonging to several, Latincommunis): Acts 2:44; Acts 4:32; κοινῇ πίστις, Titus 1:4; σωτηρία, Jude 1:3.

2. by a usage foreign to classical Greek, common i. e. ordinary, belonging to the generality (Latinvulgaris); by the Jews opposed to ἅγιος, ἡγιασμένος, καθαρός; hence unhallowed, Latinprofanus, levitically unclean (in classical Greek βέβηλος, which see 2): Mark 7:2, 5 (where R L marginal reading ἀνίπτοις); Romans 14:14; Hebrews 10:29; Revelation 21:27 (Rec. κοινοῦν) (1 Macc. 1:47; φαγεῖν κοινά; 1 Macc. 1:62; κοινοῖ ἄνθρωποι, common people,profanum vulgus, Josephus, Antiquities 12, 2, 14; οἱ τόν κοινόν βίον προηρήμενοι, i. e. a life repugnant to the holy law, ibid. 13, 1, 1; οὐ γάρ ὡς κοινόν ἄρτον οὐδέ ὡς κονον πόμα ταῦτα (i. e. the bread and wine of the sacred supper) λαμβάνομεν, Justin Martyr, Apology 1, 66; (οἱ Χριστιανοι) τράπεζαν κοινήν παρατιθενται, ἀλλ' οὐ κοινήν, a table communis but not profanus, Ep. ad Diogn. 5 [ET], on which cf. Otto's note); κοινόν καί (R G ἤ) ἀκάθαρτον, Acts 10:14; κοινόν ἤ ἀκάθαρτον, Acts 10:28; Acts 11:8 (κοινά ἤ ἀκάθαρτα οὐκ ἐσθίομεν, Justin Martyr, dialog contra Trypho,

Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Greek 2839
14 Occurrences

κοινά — 2 Occ.
κοιναῖς — 2 Occ.
κοινὴν — 1 Occ.
κοινῆς — 1 Occ.
κοινὸν — 8 Occ.

Mark 7:2 Adj-DFP
GRK: αὐτοῦ ὅτι κοιναῖς χερσίν τοῦτ'
NAS: their bread with impure hands,
KJV: bread with defiled, that is to say,
INT: of him that with defiled hands that

Mark 7:5 Adj-DFP
GRK: πρεσβυτέρων ἀλλὰ κοιναῖς χερσὶν ἐσθίουσιν
NAS: their bread with impure hands?
INT: elders but with unwashed hands eat

Acts 2:44 Adj-ANP
GRK: εἶχον ἅπαντα κοινά
NAS: and had all things in common;
KJV: had all things common;
INT: having all things in common

Acts 4:32 Adj-NNP
GRK: αὐτοῖς ἅπαντα κοινά
NAS: but all things were common property to them.
KJV: had all things common.
INT: to them all things common

Acts 10:14 Adj-ANS
GRK: ἔφαγον πᾶν κοινὸν καὶ ἀκάθαρτον
NAS: eaten anything unholy and unclean.
KJV: any thing that is common or
INT: did I eat anything common or unclean

Acts 10:28 Adj-AMS
GRK: ἔδειξεν μηδένα κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον
NAS: any man unholy or unclean.
KJV: any man common or unclean.
INT: showed not common or unclean

Acts 11:8 Adj-ANS
GRK: κύριε ὅτι κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον
NAS: Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean
KJV: for nothing common or unclean
INT: Lord for common or unclean

Romans 14:14 Adj-NNS
GRK: ὅτι οὐδὲν κοινὸν δι' ἑαυτοῦ
NAS: that nothing is unclean in itself;
KJV: [there is] nothing unclean of
INT: that nothing [is] unclean of itself

Romans 14:14 Adj-ANS
GRK: λογιζομένῳ τι κοινὸν εἶναι ἐκείνῳ
NAS: anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
KJV: to be unclean, to him
INT: reckons anything unclean to be to that one

Romans 14:14 Adj-NNS
GRK: εἶναι ἐκείνῳ κοινόν
NAS: to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
KJV: unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
INT: to be to that one unclean [it is]

Titus 1:4 Adj-AFS
GRK: τέκνῳ κατὰ κοινὴν πίστιν χάρις
NAS: my TRUE child in a common faith: Grace
KJV: son after the common faith: Grace,
INT: child according to [our] common faith Grace

Hebrews 10:29 Adj-ANS
GRK: τῆς διαθήκης κοινὸν ἡγησάμενος ἐν
NAS: and has regarded as unclean the blood
KJV: he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and
INT: of the covenant common having esteemed in

Jude 1:3 Adj-GFS
GRK: περὶ τῆς κοινῆς ἡμῶν σωτηρίας
NAS: you about our common salvation,
KJV: of the common salvation,
INT: concerning the common of us salvation

Revelation 21:27 Adj-NNS
GRK: αὐτὴν πᾶν κοινὸν καὶ ὁ
NAS: and nothing unclean, and no
INT: it anything defiling and those

14 Occurrences

You confirmed that koinos means common(which also means unholy)

In Romans 24:14, koinos, which means common, is used 3 times. The translators incorrectly used the English word "unclean", but the correct English word to use in Romans 14:14 would be common, because the Greek word for common, koinos, is used 3 times

The word for unclean, such as an unclean animal, in Greek is akathartos. A pig is akathartos. Akathartos(unclean) was not used in Romans 14:14

1stcenturylady · Aug 18, 2017

Dkh587 said:
@1stcenturylady

You can see a parallel of many different translations here, showing that Paul is indeed quoting people in 1 Corinthians 10:23

1 Corinthians 10:23 "I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but not everything is constructive.

^^^Click this link to see the parallel verses on BibleHub.com

We know all things aren't lawful... Let's use our God-given brains here...

Paul's message to Timothy confirms the 1 Corinthians 6 statement that Paul made himself, not a quote of another.

Dkh587 · Aug 18, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Paul's message to Timothy confirms the 1 Corinthians 6 statement that Paul made himself, not a quote of another.

Only if you twist all the verses out of context.

I've already shown you that Paul was quoting somebody else. He wasn't himself saying "all things are lawful". Just who do you think Paul is? Some flip-flopping, lawless hypocrite?

1stcenturylady · Aug 18, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Only if you twist all the verses out of context.

I've already shown you that Paul was quoting somebody else. He wasn't himself saying "all things are lawful". Just who do you think Paul is? Some flip-flopping, lawless hypocrite?

The NIV is not a word for word translation. It is a thought for thought translation and therefore is not inspired.

1stcenturylady · Aug 18, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Only if you twist all the verses out of context.

I've already shown you that Paul was quoting somebody else. He wasn't himself saying "all things are lawful". Just who do you think Paul is? Some flip-flopping, lawless hypocrite?

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed me from the law of sin and death. What does that mean to you?

What does this mean to you? Is Paul saying every creature, or every clean creature?

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving;

5 for it is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer.

Dkh587 · Aug 18, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Peter's vision correlates to the Old Testament.

If you think God was lying when He said to kill and eat, that He was talking about people, well God doesn't want us killing people either. Unclean foods had a SPIRITUAL MEANING that has completely gone over your head. You are leaning on your own reasoning, and dishonoring what He SAID. If some meats are still unclean, then the gospel is NOT to be preached to the whole earth, but just to some.

You said previously: "The Yahudim would not associate with Gentiles for A similar reason - they thought Gentiles were unclean/common and should not be around them. This stems from tradition, not the Scriptures."

Wrong, here it is. You need to rethink your whole stance.

Leviticus 20:25-26 "You are therefore to make a distinction between the clean animal and the unclean, and between the unclean bird and the clean; and you shall not make a yourselves detestable by animal or by bird or by anything that creeps on the ground, which I have separated for you as unclean. 26 Thus you are to be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy; and I have set you apart from the peoples to be Mine."

God was obviously not lying.

Please be sure to read post #280 in response to Peter's vision to understand the proper context. I expounded and elaborated much further than I did on my post in the other thread that I linked you earlier. I'm sure you'll find this one much more helpful. I went in depth about the difference between holy, common, clean and unclean, and how unclean and clean animals relate to Believers vs Unbelievers. You are on the right track, but off just a little bit

Again, unclean animals were not cleaned. They are still unclean. Peter never said that unclean animals were now clean. Jesus never said unclean animals were now clean. Paul never said unclean animals are now clean. None of the Apostles ever said unclean animals are now clean. Surely you get the picture?

I made a mistake, I should have elaborated further. In terms of fellowship, and hanging out with, the Yahudim, or the Israelites, would not associate with unbelieving/ungodly Gentiles. It was okay for them to fellowship and associate with the gentiles(or sojourners/strangers as they're called in the law of God) that believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.. Peter had to be corrected because he was rejecting the Gentiles coming to faith in the Messiah, and God used the vision to do so. PLEASE read post #280

So basically, the Israelites would not really hang around and fellowship like that with nonbelieving gentiles, however, if any gentile believed, and wanted to join the Israelites, they were more than welcome to! God has always had his arms open to the Gentiles who believe in Him and want to live amongst his people. HalleluYAH!

Do you not think that we as Christians are called to be set-apart, just like God called the Israelites to be set-apart?

Look what Peter wrote!

1 Peter 1:14-16
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Check out where that's written(not the only place):

Leviticus 11:45
For I am YAH that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

Amazing; Peter teaching Christians out of the "OLD TESTAMENT". What a LEGALIST! ha. Im sure someone is gonna shutter at the thought of that!

I jest.

Christians are called to be set-apart... we're not supposed to be like everybody else. We are different. According to Peter, the Christians are:

1 Peter 2:9-10
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy(set-apart) nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Remember, Israelites were called to be set-apart(holy), and as Christians, we are grafted into Israel, and we too, are called to be set-apart(Peter confirms this).

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 18, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
The NIV is not a word for word translation. It is a thought for thought translation and therefore is not inspired.

Young's Literal Translation and Rotherham's are excellent word for word and imho, they are fairly accurate.

But if you want to really get deep about translating, try this interlinear.
What I like about it is that it parses both the Hebrew and Greek words.

Here is an example of Acts 10:28. Just click on the picture to enlarge it.

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

1stcenturylady · Aug 19, 2017

Dkh587 said:
God was obviously not lying.

Please be sure to read post #280 in response to Peter's vision to understand the proper context. I expounded and elaborated much further than I did on my post in the other thread that I linked you earlier. I'm sure you'll find this one much more helpful. I went in depth about the difference between holy, common, clean and unclean, and how unclean and clean animals relate to Believers vs Unbelievers. You are on the right track, but off just a little bit

Again, unclean animals were not cleaned. They are still unclean. Peter never said that unclean animals were now clean. Jesus never said unclean animals were now clean. Paul never said unclean animals are now clean. None of the Apostles ever said unclean animals are now clean. Surely you get the picture?

I made a mistake, I should have elaborated further. In terms of fellowship, and hanging out with, the Yahudim, or the Israelites, would not associate with unbelieving/ungodly Gentiles. It was okay for them to fellowship and associate with the gentiles(or sojourners/strangers as they're called in the law of God) that believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.. Peter had to be corrected because he was rejecting the Gentiles coming to faith in the Messiah, and God used the vision to do so. PLEASE read post #280

So basically, the Israelites would not really hang around and fellowship like that with nonbelieving gentiles, however, if any gentile believed, and wanted to join the Israelites, they were more than welcome to! God has always had his arms open to the Gentiles who believe in Him and want to live amongst his people. HalleluYAH!

Do you not think that we as Christians are called to be set-apart, just like God called the Israelites to be set-apart?

Look what Peter wrote!

Check out where that's written(not the only place):

Amazing; Peter teaching Christians out of the "OLD TESTAMENT". What a LEGALIST! ha. Im sure someone is gonna shutter at the thought of that!

I jest.

Christians are called to be set-apart... we're not supposed to be like everybody else. We are different. According to Peter, the Christians are:

Remember, Israelites were called to be set-apart(holy), and as Christians, we are grafted into Israel, and we too, are called to be set-apart(Peter confirms this).

What does food have to do with love?

13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

Keep in Step with the Spirit
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Dkh587 · Aug 19, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Young's Literal Translation and Rotherham's are excellent word for word and imho, they are fairly accurate.

But if you want to really get deep about translating, try this interlinear.
What I like about it is that it parses both the Hebrew and Greek words.

Here is an example of Acts 10:28. Just click on the picture to enlarge it:

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

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Do you see how in Acts 10:28, that Peter used both KOINOS & AKATHARTOS? Would you agree that this indicates that they are 2 different words and mean 2 different things?

Here it is in Greek:

Acts 10:28
ἔφη τε πρὸς αὐτούς Ὑμεῖς ἐπίστασθε ὡς ἀθέμιτόν ἐστιν ἀνδρὶἸουδαίῳ κολλᾶσθαι ἢ προσέρχεσθαι ἀλλοφύλῳ καὶ ἐμοὶ ὁ θεὸς ἔδειξενμηδένα κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον λέγειν ἄνθρωπον

1stcenturylady · Aug 19, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Young's Literal Translation and Rotherham's are excellent word for word and imho, they are fairly accurate.

But if you want to really get deep about translating, try this interlinear.
What I like about it is that it parses both the Hebrew and Greek words.

Here is an example of Acts 10:28. Just click on the picture to enlarge it.

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

View attachment 205489

Yes, I have the Young's Literal Translation, and refer to it often.

Dkh587 · Aug 19, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
What does food have to do with love?

13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

Keep in Step with the Spirit
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Why are you ignoring my post? I brought up many points that addressed your post and you didn't address a single point. Did you even read my post? Why jump to another verse that has nothing to do with what we are talking about, when I provided you with accurate information?

Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

1stcenturylady · Aug 19, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Why are you ignoring my post? I brought up many points that addressed your post and you didn't address a single point. Did you even read my post? Why jump to another verse that has nothing to do with what we are talking about, when I provided you with accurate information?

Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

No, I read it. But your idea of holiness has to do with food, and mine has to do with love.

Those verses also addresses our "freedom" which is the same as lawful. We are not under the law, but under grace. Why? Because we are dead to sin, and have the power of the Holy Spirit that changes our carnal desires. Therefore, we cannot sin, so are not under thou shalt not kill, because we love instead. And those who do not have this power not to sin, do not belong to Christ.

dougangel · Aug 19, 2017

Dkh587 said:
No they didn't - this has been repeatedly debunked in this thread.

Unclean animals are still unclean. Christ didn't die & resurrect to make pigs and other unclean animals now clean

acts 10

12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

why is God telling Peter to break kosher ?(Leviticus food laws )

Eating swine & other unclean animals is a work of the flesh

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