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Verse 12 where Paul seems to be saying "All things are lawful for me", he is actually quoting the people he is writing to. If you look at other translations, like the NIV, you will see that he is quoting people and responding.

Besides: even if Paul was saying all things are lawful(which he wasn't, he was quoting and responding), do you really think adultery, murder, witchcraft, idolatry, lying, murdering, blaspheming God, inappropriate behavior with animals are lawful?

If all things are lawful, why would Paul then turn around and say that the body is not for fornication? All things are lawful, right? See, that's not what he's saying at all.

Context, context, context...

Show me another version that implies that is just a quote as the NIV claims. If you are not under the law, all things are lawful for Spirit filled Christian because they cannot sin. 1 John 3:9
 
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True - and one of those sins the law reveals is eating pork and unclean animals.:amen:

You want to be under the Old Covenant.

1 Timothy 4:4-5 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
 
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Show me another version that implies that is just a quote as the NIV claims. If you are not under the law, all things are lawful for Spirit filled Christian because they cannot sin. 1 John 3:9
There's a wealth of information out there. Why don't you try researching for yourself? That's how I came to the realization that Paul's letters are being perverted to teach believers in Christ to sin by eating unclean animals.
 
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You want to be under the Old Covenant.

1 Timothy 4:4-5 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
Swine and unclean animals are not sanctified by the word of God. Leviticus 11 contains the sanctified animals :)

Guess what? Swine ain't one of them ;)
 
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Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.
 
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Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.

Yet it is amazing how some want to live under the law rather under Christ
 
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Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.
You already quoted this, and I already addressed it.

I noticed that you disappeared when I showed you that you were wrong regarding Romans 14:14 and how the word "common" should have been used instead of "unclean". So why come back and repeat a verse that has nothing to do with the topic?
 
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There's a wealth of information out there. Why don't you try researching for yourself? That's how I came to the realization that Paul's letters are being perverted to teach believers in Christ to sin by eating unclean animals.

God cleansed them telling Peter to kill and eat, and what God has cleansed we are not to call unclean. Because Leviticus 20 correlates unclean animals with pagan Gentiles as both being unclean, so now both are clean, and the Gentiles can now be grafted into true Israel.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board and think again. It's all right there in scripture if you don't just pick and choose from the Old Testament alone.
 
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God cleansed them telling Peter to kill and eat, and what God has cleansed we are not to call unclean. Because Leviticus 20 correlates unclean animals with pagan Gentiles as both being unclean, so now both are clean, and the Gentiles can now be grafted into true Israel.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board and think again. It's all right there in scripture if you don't just pick and choose from the Old Testament alone.
God didn't cleanse unclean animals - maybe it would help if you read my post from another thread where I went in depth about Peter's vision

What foods does the Father want us to eat?

If you seriously want to learn, then click the link above and check out my other post. I'm not typing all that again lol

The vision was not about animals - I have to be a broken record because y'all keep taking the vision out of context!

Peter plainly explained the vision in Acts of the Apostles 10:28. He didn't mention food.

"God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean"

And maybe you haven't been reading the thread, but I've been quoting God, Messiah, Paul & the Apostles. I'm not in the Old Testament only.
 
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You already quoted this, and I already addressed it.

I noticed that you disappeared when I showed you that you were wrong regarding Romans 14:14 and how the word "common" should have been used instead of "unclean". So why come back and repeat a verse that has nothing to do with the topic?
Yes, we will just ignore Romans 14.
 
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God didn't cleanse unclean animals - maybe it would help if you read my post from another thread where I went in depth about Peter's vision

What foods does the Father want us to eat?

If you seriously want to learn, then click the link above and check out my other post. I'm not typing all that again lol

The vision was not about animals - I have to be a broken record because y'all keep taking the vision out of context!

Peter plainly explained the vision in Acts of the Apostles 10:28. He didn't mention food.

"God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean"

And maybe you haven't been reading the thread, but I've been quoting God, Messiah, Paul & the Apostles. I'm not in the Old Testament only.

Peter's vision correlates to the Old Testament.

If you think God was lying when He said to kill and eat, that He was talking about people, well God doesn't want us killing people either. Unclean foods had a SPIRITUAL MEANING that has completely gone over your head. You are leaning on your own reasoning, and dishonoring what He SAID. If some meats are still unclean, then the gospel is NOT to be preached to the whole earth, but just to some.

You said previously: "The Yahudim would not associate with Gentiles for A similar reason - they thought Gentiles were unclean/common and should not be around them. This stems from tradition, not the Scriptures."

Wrong, here it is. You need to rethink your whole stance.

Leviticus 20:25-26 "You are therefore to make a distinction between the clean animal and the unclean, and between the unclean bird and the clean; and you shall not make a yourselves detestable by animal or by bird or by anything that creeps on the ground, which I have separated for you as unclean. 26 Thus you are to be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy; and I have set you apart from the peoples to be Mine."
 
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On the contrary, to tell one's fellow Christians what they can or can't eat by attempting to force upon them the yoke of the Torah which the Christian is under no obligation to observe--that is the work of the flesh and sin.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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On the contrary, to tell one's fellow Christians what they can or can't eat by attempting to force upon them the yoke of the Torah which the Christian is under no obligation to observe--that is the work of the flesh and sin.

-CryptoLutheran
I agree.
 
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On the contrary, to tell one's fellow Christians what they can or can't eat by attempting to force upon them the yoke of the Torah which the Christian is under no obligation to observe--that is the work of the flesh and sin.

-CryptoLutheran
Live by the yoke, die by the yoke.....

Deuteronomy 28:48
Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which Yahweh shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things:
and He shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee
. [Acts 15:10/Reve 6:5]

Matthew 23:4 "For They are binding burdens, weighty/barea <926> and ill-bearing. And they are on-placing upon the shoulders of the men, to the yet finger of them, not are willing to move them".

Acts 15:10 Now then why ye are trying the God, to put a Yoke/zugon <2218> upon the neck of the Disciples, which neither the fathers of us neither are we are able to bear? [Deut 28:48/Reve 6:5]

Reve 6:5 And when it up-opens the third seal , I hear of the third living one saying: "Be you coming"! And I am looking and I see and Behold!
A black horse and the one sitting down upon it having a Yoke/zugon <2218> in the hand of him.
[Deut 28:18/Acts 15:10]

Out with the OLD......

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover..............

After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves, or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ; whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.

Deu 28:68 “And the LORD will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you,‘You shall never see it again.'
And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.


Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made...........Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.
 
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Nevermind.
If you are seriously asking, why don't you go back to the post earlier in the thread where I linked the Strong's concordance for you? I gave you several resources to help you truly understand

Common is basically the opposite of holy, or set-apart.

Our clothing that we wear is common, it's not set-apart. Aaron and the priests had set-apart/holy garments, which is the opposite of common. Set-apart means exactly what it says. It's set-apart for special use. It's consecrated. It's holy/set-apart.

When Aaron and the priests would take off their set-apart/holy garments, they would put on what you could consider "common" clothing.

They had a tradition in Peter's day, where they would not eat clean animals that had been around unclean animals. That was not a sin according to the law. They were rejecting what God had cleaned(the clean animals), and were calling it unclean. Peter did this during the vision. He called the clean animals common & unclean.

They considered clean animals that had been around unclean animals "common", and that they were not fit for consumption, but that was not true - that's not according to the law of God. Their tradition was that the clean animal that they considered "common" was also unclean. Not so. Remember, God only cleaned certain animals. These were the beasts Peter could have eaten, but he rejected all of them. It was okay to eat the clean animals, even though they had been touching the unclean.

The law says we can eat clean animals - it doesn't say that we can't eat clean animals if they've been around unclean animals. The tradition in Peter's day was that they refused clean animals(because they had been around unclean animals), which was WRONG, you shouldn't refuse clean animals, just like Peter shouldn't have been rejecting the Gentiles who were coming to faith. Obviously Peter would not be accepting and hanging out with people who don't believe and reject Messiah. He would be accepting Gentile Believers of Messiah.

This is what Peter's vision is all about. God is correcting him on his understanding of accepting Gentiles, by teaching him that first, it is acceptable to eat clean animals that had been around unclean animals. And that Peter should also accept the cleaned gentiles, which represent cleaned animals on the sheet, just like he should eat the clean meat that was around the unclean.

Peter was not accepting believing Gentiles(a clean animal) that had come out from around the unbelieving gentiles(unclean animals).

Hope this helps

ETA: the word used for common in Peter's vision is (koinos), which is the same word Paul used in Roman's 14:14 all 3 times: common. Not the word as unclean(akathartos)
 
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