Critique of Amillennialism

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The Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology is responsible for the pitiful attempts to evangelize the Jewish people, during our time.

In this way it is one of the most "anti-Semitic" doctrines ever devised, since is claims modern Jews have a special relationship to God through their bloodline, in direct opposition to 1 Timothy 1:4.

Literally, millions of modern Jews have died without hearing a clear presentation of the Gospel.
The doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America, is at least partially responsible for this fact.
Darby claimed that Jews will one day come to salvation outside of the Church.


The failure to recognize that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 has lead to this corruption of the Bible.

In this way "Dual Covenant Theology" has "loved" many Jews to a death without Christ.
Based on 1 John 2:22-23, this is a sad commentary for the modern Church.




Below is a sermon on the reality of "Replacement Theology".




I have tried very hard to address your posts that totally misrepresent what I have written together with bearing false witness against it. I have tolerated your false personal attacks on me and what I post as long as I intend to do so. I have told you to either quote what I write as it is written, or NOT AT ALL! You are a liar!

Nothing you have written in the above has a shres of truth to it! Let me see you support any of it with the facts!


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The Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology is responsible for the pitiful attempts to evangelize the Jewish people, during our time.

In this way it is one of the most "anti-Semitic" doctrines ever devised, since is claims modern Jews have a special relationship to God through their bloodline, in direct opposition to 1 Timothy 1:4.

Literally, millions of modern Jews have died without hearing a clear presentation of the Gospel.
The doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America, is at least partially responsible for this fact.
Darby claimed that Jews will one day come to salvation outside of the Church.


The failure to recognize that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 has lead to this corruption of the Bible.

In this way "Dual Covenant Theology" has "loved" many Jews to a death without Christ.
Based on 1 John 2:22-23, this is a sad commentary for the modern Church.




Below is a sermon on the reality of "Replacement Theology".




The ongoing errors you continue to propegate is attempting to put believers, the Church - in the same barrel with non-believers, Israel - BEFORE THEIR TIME!

The church that started at Pentecost is not symbolically or spiritually called Israel, according to the Scriptures. Neither has the church replaced Israel so that it will receive the promises that God gave to Israel. There are some verses that could be twisted, by those lacking spiritual discernment or liberals, making it look like the name Israel means the church. Israel is never replaced by the church! Some “Christians”, like those at “Christ at the Checkpoint” conferences, falsely believe that the church has taken the place of Israel so that God can use them to solve the Israeli and Palestinian conflict! They take Scriptures out of context to prove their point and throw Old Testament prophesies in the fire, like Jehoiakim, king of Judah did, Jeremiah 36.

Romans 9:6-8 “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

Here, Paul may be addressing those who thought they were entitled to the Promised Land, no matter what they believed. This is not addressing the church as Israel. God did not count those Jews who rejected Him as the true Israel. To be entitled to the Promised Land as a Jew in the Messiah’s Kingdom, the individual Jew has to believe on Jesus, just as Abraham and Isaac did. Even though they did not know Jesus by name at that time, they trusted that God would send a Saviour, as He promised! The true Israelite must be born in the flesh, and in their spirit, by the Spirit of God. True Israel is only the saved Jewish remnant!

Romans 11:2-5 “God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.”

God is all knowing. He will not force Jews to be saved, but He did know that there would be a remnant who would freely accept Him as their Saviour. These are real Jews, not the church replacing Israel! Elias (Elijah) had a pity party, and God told Him that there were still other Jews serving Him. The people who Elijah was told about were Jews according to the flesh, just like those being saved in Paul’s time. Paul said that even during his time there was still a remnant of Israel who was being saved. This Scripture is evidence that God will continue to have a remnant of Jews to receive the promises made to Abraham!

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
The big-brained liberals who teaches Replacement Theology says that Romans 11 is talking about the church when it says Israel. So, am I to believe Israel, “the church” had to be blinded so that the Gentiles could be saved? That would not make any sense to a school boy. No! Israel is Israel and the church is the church! When God completes His goal to win many Gentiles, He will open the eyes of the Jews once again. Many liberal “Christians” allow their brains to puff up with pride. They think that they have replaced Israel. But, God is not through with Israel.He still needs to add to the Jewish remnant, who will see the fulfillment of the promises to Abraham.

Galatians 6:16 “And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
This simply means that God owns Israel, and they certainly do need peace and mercy. God formed Israel in the beginning, and He has molded and refined Israel ever since.

If you read the book of Acts, you will find that both the words Israel and church appear many times. They are never interchangeable. They are two separate things. The church will never replace Israel and receive the Promised Land as an inheritance. The church is not promised by God to even share the Promised Land with the Jews. The church is not Israel, and they have no guarantee to inherit the land that God promised Israel. But, God uses the church to glean the Jewish remnant from the fields of the world. In the future, the church will come with Jesus when He carries out God’s final solution for the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Meanwhile, the church can help God with the future final solution by winning Jews to Jesus, praying for them, supporting them financially, and by standing up for them instead of against them!

HIBM Editorial by Avi Goldstein * The Church Is Not Spiritual Israel! – Dr. K. Daniel Fried, Editor in Chief – hopeofisrael.net


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The ongoing errors you continue to propegate is attempting to put believers, the Church - in the same barrel with non-believers, Israel - BEFORE THEIR TIME!

The church that started at Pentecost is not symbolically or spiritually called Israel, according to the Scriptures. Neither has the church replaced Israel so that it will receive the promises that God gave to Israel. There are some verses that could be twisted, by those lacking spiritual discernment or liberals, making it look like the name Israel means the church. Israel is never replaced by the church! Some “Christians”, like those at “Christ at the Checkpoint” conferences, falsely believe that the church has taken the place of Israel so that God can use them to solve the Israeli and Palestinian conflict! They take Scriptures out of context to prove their point and throw Old Testament prophesies in the fire, like Jehoiakim, king of Judah did, Jeremiah 36.

Romans 9:6-8 “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

Here, Paul may be addressing those who thought they were entitled to the Promised Land, no matter what they believed. This is not addressing the church as Israel. God did not count those Jews who rejected Him as the true Israel. To be entitled to the Promised Land as a Jew in the Messiah’s Kingdom, the individual Jew has to believe on Jesus, just as Abraham and Isaac did. Even though they did not know Jesus by name at that time, they trusted that God would send a Saviour, as He promised! The true Israelite must be born in the flesh, and in their spirit, by the Spirit of God. True Israel is only the saved Jewish remnant!

Romans 11:2-5 “God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.”

God is all knowing. He will not force Jews to be saved, but He did know that there would be a remnant who would freely accept Him as their Saviour. These are real Jews, not the church replacing Israel! Elias (Elijah) had a pity party, and God told Him that there were still other Jews serving Him. The people who Elijah was told about were Jews according to the flesh, just like those being saved in Paul’s time. Paul said that even during his time there was still a remnant of Israel who was being saved. This Scripture is evidence that God will continue to have a remnant of Jews to receive the promises made to Abraham!

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
The big-brained liberals who teaches Replacement Theology says that Romans 11 is talking about the church when it says Israel. So, am I to believe Israel, “the church” had to be blinded so that the Gentiles could be saved? That would not make any sense to a school boy. No! Israel is Israel and the church is the church! When God completes His goal to win many Gentiles, He will open the eyes of the Jews once again. Many liberal “Christians” allow their brains to puff up with pride. They think that they have replaced Israel. But, God is not through with Israel.He still needs to add to the Jewish remnant, who will see the fulfillment of the promises to Abraham.

Galatians 6:16 “And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”
This simply means that God owns Israel, and they certainly do need peace and mercy. God formed Israel in the beginning, and He has molded and refined Israel ever since.

If you read the book of Acts, you will find that both the words Israel and church appear many times. They are never interchangeable. They are two separate things. The church will never replace Israel and receive the Promised Land as an inheritance. The church is not promised by God to even share the Promised Land with the Jews. The church is not Israel, and they have no guarantee to inherit the land that God promised Israel. But, God uses the church to glean the Jewish remnant from the fields of the world. In the future, the church will come with Jesus when He carries out God’s final solution for the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Meanwhile, the church can help God with the future final solution by winning Jews to Jesus, praying for them, supporting them financially, and by standing up for them instead of against them!

HIBM Editorial by Avi Goldstein * The Church Is Not Spiritual Israel! – Dr. K. Daniel Fried, Editor in Chief – hopeofisrael.net


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You have done another excellent job of claiming that the scriptures do not mean what they say.

Your doctrine is destroyed by the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

The hope of modern Jews is found in the New Covenant Church. There is no Plan B.

Jer_31:31  "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28  For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24  And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20  Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25  In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6  who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8  Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13  In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15  And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24  to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

(NKJV)

In the video below a modern Jew found the promise of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) in his Hebrew scriptures.
He is now my Brother in Christ.



 
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You have done another excellent job of claiming that the scriptures do not mean what they say.

Your doctrine is destroyed by the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

The hope of modern Jews is found in the New Covenant Church. There is no Plan B.

Jer_31:31  "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28  For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24  And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20  Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25  In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6  who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8  Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13  In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15  And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24  to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

(NKJV)

In the video below a modern Jew found the promise of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) in his Hebrew scriptures.
He is now my Brother in Christ.





What I post is fully supported by the Scriptures, such as my post #22, which fully refutes your above empty opinions. It will never be destroyed by you, or others who fail to support their views with scripture to verify it by.


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Amillennialism is one of the many views regarding the Millennial Kingdom—the thousand-year reign of Christ during the end times. The names of these beliefs (including premillennialism and postmillennialism) do not refer to when the Millennial Kingdom will occur, but to when Christ will return to earth in relation to the kingdom. "Amillennialism" is a bit of a misnomer. Linguistically, the word means there will be no ("a") thousand-year ("millennial") kingdom. In actuality, those who ascribe to amillennialism believe that the millennial kingdom is not literal. That is, it is neither one thousand years nor a physical reign of Christ. Amillennialism was championed by St. Augustine and is the view held by the Roman Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, and many Protestants.

The point of the Millennial Kingdom has always been to establish Christ's rule on earth and to fulfill the prophecies of God's blessings on His people that have yet to be fulfilled (Deuteronomy 29:1-29; 1 Chronicles 17:11-14; Jeremiah 31:31, 33). Like postmillennialism, amillennialism "spiritualizes" the prophecies regarding the end times—refuses to take them literally. This leads to two specific characteristics.

To whom the prophecies refer: Like postmillennialists, amillennialists believe in replacement theology or supersessionism. This theology teaches that the unfulfilled prophecies promising peace under Christ's reign and blessings to His people do not apply to Israel. They believe Israel's work in God's plan is finished and all unfulfilled prophecies have been transferred to the church. This is a common view despite the fact that no literal interpretation of the Bible supports it.

How the prophecies will be fulfilled: Amillennialism goes even further than postmillennialism in spiritualizing the prophecies by claiming they will not be fulfilled literally. The peaceful kingdom (Micah 4:2-4), the lion laying down with the lamb (Isaiah 11:6-9), and the borders of the Palestinian covenant (Genesis 17:7-8) are all considered metaphors along with the thousand-year time period (Revelation 20:2-7). Instead, amillennialism teaches that the millennial kingdom is manifest either in the hearts of the saints who have died and now rest with Him (the minority view) or in the hearts of all who follow Him on earth (the most common belief). This point of view, and the scholars who originated it, is informed more by Greek philosophy than biblical truth. The popular view of Gnosticism taught that the physical was corrupted, and only the spiritual was capable of good. It was a short slide to then believe that the perfect Son of God could not rule over a physical kingdom, so His reign must be over the immaterial hearts and souls of mankind.

Amillennialism alters the timeline of the end times to fit these two views. Christ's kingdom was established at His resurrection. The "first resurrection" (Revelation 20:4-6) does not refer to the physical resurrection of the saints, as premillennialism teaches, but to a spiritual resurrection, that is, the point in history when the Holy Spirit became available to dwell in the hearts of the believers. The "kingdom," then, is a kingdom in spirit only and lasts until Jesus' second coming. The second coming is concurrent with the rapture of the believers. Everyone will be judged, and then the second resurrection will return physical bodies to souls. The eternal state will immediately follow.

Like many theological beliefs, amillennialism was born from a combination of human cultural influence and a reluctance to believe God meant His Word as literal truth. Despite the many ways scholars try to convince us otherwise, God did not create the physical to be bad. Adam and Eve had physical bodies on a physical world, He and God called it "very good" (Genesis 1:31). God came down to earth as a physical being (Luke 2). When Jesus was resurrected, it was with a physical body (Luke 24:42-43). And the prophecies that have been fulfilled were done so literally and physically. There is no need for a different method of interpretation—God's power is not dependent upon our ability to understand how He will manifest it.

Amillennialism - What is it?


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Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, wrote Ecclesiastical History in the early fourth century before Augustine. He recorded objections to the Book of Revelation in his history of the church between the time of Jesus and the reign of Constantine. Some church officials in Egypt had stated the book of Revelation was a forgery written by Cerenthius and not by the Apostle John. There are two early fourth century Bibles extant. One is Codex Vaticanus That does not include the book of Revelation. The second is Codex Sinaiticus found in St. Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai Desert That does contain Revelation.

I reject the Book of Revelation. I stopped trying to decipher the Book of Revelation years ago.
 
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And the prophecies that have been fulfilled were done so literally and physically.
No takers yet for my invitation to provide a literal physical interpretation of the very first prophecy in Scripture, Genesis 3:15.

Where have all the literalites gone?
 
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The doctrine of amillennialism is couched in the Catholic Church's denial of the existence of a literal and physical 1,000 year earthly reign of Christ on the earth, after the Church age.
Interesting. How many other Christian Denominations subscribe to the Amill view besides the RCC?
 
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Jesus is returning to reign on earth.

1) The Psalms

  • Psalm 2:6-9 — David says the Messiah will reign over “the very ends of the earth” from Mount Zion in Jerusalem.

  • Psalm 22:27-31 — David again affirms that the Messiah will be given dominion over “the ends of the earth” at the time when He “rules over the nations.”

  • Psalm 47 — The sons of Korah rejoice over the day when the Lord will be “a great King over all the earth,” and they state that this will take place when the Lord subdues the “nations under our feet.”

  • Psalm 67 — An unidentified psalmist speaks prophetically of the time when the nations of the world will “be glad and sing for joy.” This will be when the Lord comes to “judge the peoples with uprightness.” At that time the Lord will “guide the nations on the earth” so that “all the ends of the earth may fear Him.”
  • Psalm 89:19-29 — The psalmist, Ethan, speaks of the Davidic Covenant and proclaims that it will be fulfilled when God makes His “first-born the highest of the kings of the earth.”

  • Psalm 110 — David says a time will come when God will make the enemies of the Messiah a footstool under His feet. This will occur when the Messiah stretches forth His “strong scepter from Zion.” At that time He will “rule in the midst of His enemies,” for… “He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath, He will judge among the nations.”

  • Psalm 132:13-18 — An unnamed psalmist speaks of God’s fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant. He says this will occur at a time when “the horn of David” springs forth to reign from Zion. He says “His crown will shine,” and He will make Zion His “resting place forever” for He will dwell there.
2) Isaiah
  • Isaiah 2:1-4 — Isaiah says that “in the last days” the Messiah will reign from Mount Zion in Jerusalem and the entire world will experience peace.

  • Isaiah 9:6-7 — The Messiah will rule from the throne of David, giving the world a government of peace, justice, and righteousness. (Note: The throne of David is not in Heaven. It is located in Jerusalem — see Psalm 122. Jesus is not now on the throne of David. He sits at the right hand of His Father on His Father’s throne — see Revelation 3:21.)

  • Isaiah 11:3b-9 — The Messiah will bring “righteousness and fairness” to the earth when He returns to “slay the wicked.” At that time, the curse will be lifted and the plant and animal kingdoms will be restored to their original perfection.

  • Isaiah 24:21-23 — When the Messiah returns, He will punish Satan and his demonic hordes in the heavens and then will punish “the kings of the earth, on earth.” He will then “reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem” for the purpose of manifesting His glory.
3) Jeremiah
  • Jeremiah 23:5 — “‘Behold, the days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I shall raise up for David a righteous Branch; and He will reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land.'” (Note: The term, “Branch,” is a Messianic title.)

  • Jeremiah 33:6-18 — A day will come when the Lord will regather the dispersed of both Judah and Israel and will save a great remnant. At that time the Lord “will cause a rigthteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth.”
4) Ezekiel
  • Ezekiel 20:33-44 — The Lord says a day will come when He will regather the Jews to their land and will “enter into judgment” with them. He says that at that time “I shall be king over you.” He then adds that “the whole house of Israel, all of them, will serve Me in the land.”

  • Ezekiel 37:24-28 — The Lord says that He will dwell in the midst of Israel after a remnant of the Jews is regathered to the land and saved, and He promises that “David My servant shall be their prince forever.”

  • Ezekiel 39:21-29 — The Lord says that following the battle of Armageddon (verses 17-20), “I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them.”
  • Ezekiel 43:7 — While being given a tour of the future Millennial Temple, Ezekiel is told by the Lord: “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet; where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever.”
5) Daniel
  • Daniel 7:13-14,18,27 — Daniel says he was given a vision in which he saw the Messiah (“Son of Man”) given dominion over all the earth by God the Father (“the Ancient of Days”). And then he adds in verses 18 and 27 that the kingdom is shared “with the saints of the Highest One,” and they are allowed to exercise sovereignty with Him over “all the kingdoms under the whole heaven.”
6) Hosea
  • Hosea 3:4-5 — The Jews will be set aside “for many days,” but a time will come “in the last days” when they “will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king.”
7) Joel
  • Joel 3:14-17,21 — Joel says that following the battle of Armageddon (verses 14-16), the Lord will dwell “in Zion, My holy mountain.” He repeats this in verse 21. And in verse 17 He identifies Zion as the city of Jerusalem.
8) Micah
  • Micah 4:1-7 — Micah repeats in greater detail the prophecy contained in Isaiah 2. Like Isaiah, he says the Lord will make Jerusalem the capital of the world. The world will be flooded with peace and prosperity. All believing Jews will be regathered to Israel, and “the Lord will reign over them in Mount Zion.”
9) Zephaniah
  • Zephaniah 3:14-20 — This entire book is devoted to a description of the day the Lord will return to the earth in vengeance. The prophet says that at the end of that day, when the Lord’s enemies have been destroyed, the Jewish remnant will shout in triumphant joy because “the King of Israel, the Lord,” will be in their midst.
10) Haggai
  • Haggai 2:20-23 — The Lord says that a day will come when He will “overthrow the thrones of kingdoms and destroy the power of the kingdoms of the nations.” Then, using Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, as a type of the Messiah, the prophet adds: “‘On that day,’ declares the Lord of hosts, ‘I will take you, Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, my servant,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will make you like a signet ring, for I have chosen you,’ declares the Lord of hosts.” The reference to the signet ring means the Father will grant His Son ruling authority.
11) Zechariah
  • Zechariah 2:10-13 — The Lord says that when He comes, He will “dwell in the midst” of the Jews, possessing Judah as “His portion in the holy land” and again choosing Jerusalem.


  • Zechariah 6:12-13 — When the Messiah (“the Branch”) returns, He will build a temple and “rule on His throne,” and the offices of priest and king will be combined in Him. Thus, “He will be a priest on His throne.”

  • Zechariah 8:2-3 — The Lord promises that when He returns to Zion, He will “dwell in the midst of Jerusalem,” and Jerusalem will be called “the city of Truth.”<

  • Zechariah 9:10 — The Messiah will bring peace to the nations and “His dominion will be from sea to sea.”

  • Zechariah 14:1-9 — The Messiah will return to the Mount of Olives. The Mount will split in half when His foot touches it, and the Jewish remnant left alive in Jerusalem will flee the city and hide in the cleavage of the Mount. Verse 9 says that on that day, “the Lord will become king over all the earth.”
.1) Peter
  • Acts 3:21 — In his sermon on the portico of Solomon, Peter says Jesus must remain in Heaven “until the period of the restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.” The period of restoration spoken of here will occur during the Millennium when the curse is partially lifted and nature is restored (Romans 8:18-23).
2) Paul
  • 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 — Paul says that when Jesus returns “dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel,” He will also come for the purpose of being glorified before His saints. The return of Jesus to be glorified before His saints and all the nations of the world is one of the persistent themes of Old Testament prophecy (Isaiah 24:23, Isaiah 52:10,13, Isaiah 61:3, and Psalm 46:10).

  • 2 Timothy 2:12 — Paul says “if we endure, we shall also reign with Him.”
3) John
  • Revelation 12:5 — John sees a vision in which a sun clothed woman (Israel) gives birth to a male child (Jesus) “who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron.”

  • Revelation 19:15-16 — In his description of Jesus returning to earth, John says He bears the title, “King of kings and Lord of lords,” and John says He will “rule the nations with a rod of iron.”

  • Revelation 20:4,6 — John says that after the return of Jesus to the earth, He will reign with His saints (“those to whom judgment has been given”) for a thousand years.
1) Gabriel
  • Luke 1:26-38 — When the archangel Gabriel appeared to Mary, he told her that she would bear a son named Jesus who would be called “the Son of the Most High.” He then added three promises that are yet to be fulfilled: “the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”
2) The Four Living Creatures and the 24 Elders
  • Revelation 5:9-10 — When John is raptured to Heaven and finds himself standing before the throne of God (Revelation 4), he hears “the four living creatures” (special angelic creatures called seraphim in Isaiah 6) and “the twenty-four elders” (probably representative of the redeemed) singing a song of praise to Jesus. In this song they say that Jesus is a Worthy Lamb who has made His redeemed a kingdom, “and they will reign upon the earth.”
3) The Angels of God
  • Revelation 11:15 — Voices from Heaven make a proleptic proclamation in the midst of the Tribulation: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” (Note: A proleptic statement is one that speaks of a future event as if it has already occurred. This is a common form of expression in prophecy because all future events are settled in the mind of God as if they had already happened in history.)
4) The Tribulation Martyrs
  • Revelation 15:3-4 — At the end of the Tribulation, right before the final pouring out of God’s wrath in the form of the bowl judgments, all the Tribulation martyrs who are in Heaven join together in singing “the song of Moses… and the song of the Lamb.” In that song, they declare the Lamb (Jesus) to be the “King of the nations,” and they proclaim that “all the nations will come and worship before Thee.”
Jesus is returning to reign on the earth because Jesus said so.
  • Matthew 19:28 — Jesus said that during “the regeneration” (the same time as “the period of restoration” referred to by Peter in Acts 3:21), He will “sit on His glorious throne,” and the Apostles will join Him in judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
  • Matthew 25:31 — Jesus said that when He returns in glory, “the Son of Man… will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him” for judgment. The throne of Jesus is the throne of David which has always been located in only one place — in Jerusalem (see Isaiah 9:6-7 and Psalm 122).

  • Acts 1:3-6 — Luke says that Jesus spent 40 days teaching His disciples about the kingdom of God. Then, as He was ready to ascend into Heaven, one of the disciples asked, “Lord is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” The question indicates that Jesus taught a time would come when the kingdom would be restored to Israel. Jesus’ response to the question indicated the same thing. He did not rebuke the question. Rather, He simply said it was not for them to know the times and seasons when the kingdom would be restored to Israel.

  • Revelation 2:26-27 — Jesus says that He has a special reward for any “overcomer” who keeps His deeds until the end: “To him I will give authority over the nations; and he shall rule them with a rod of iron.”
  • Revelation 3:21 — Jesus makes it clear that the overcomers will reign jointly with Him: “He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Again, the throne of Jesus is the throne of David (Luke 1:32 and Revelation 3:7). The throne of David is in Jerusalem, not in Heaven (Psalm 122). Jesus currently shares His Father’s throne. He is not sitting on His own throne and will not do so until He returns to this earth. Then He will allow the redeemed to share His throne with Him.


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Ya, the new earth.
 
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Nothing you have written in the above has a shred of truth to it! Let me see you support any of it with the facts!

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Actually, what he posted there is 100% true. I don't understand how you can claim it's not. Have "the jews" come to salvation in the last 2000 years? Yes, or no.
 
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Actually, what he posted there is 100% true. I don't understand how you can claim it's not. Have "the jews" come to salvation in the last 2000 years? Yes, or no.
No takers yet for my invitation to provide a literal physical interpretation of the very first prophecy in Scripture, Genesis 3:15.

Where have all the literalites gone?
I have already gone over this material of Genesis in an earlier post. The Genesis prophecy is followed by a genealogy and then expanded as we get to major players Abraham and David. The seed of the woman is the virgin birth the coming Messiah Jesus Christ our Lord. There is only two seeds you can be born into and we are either of our father the devil or born again through faith. The promise was expanded at Abraham in your seed all the nations of the world will be blessed and when we follow this line to David we see his seed is to be king forever. This line is followed in the gospels through Mary and Joseph to Jesus who was bruised by the serpent and has crushed his head.

Now this line of events is not proof or disproof of which view of the millennium is correct. I supplemented many passages showing the new covenant in the only one which we must be saved by and also followed clearly marked passages of chronological events that show Jesus must reign from Jerusalem. In Rev it speaks of Satan being bound 1000 years and also that those who died will live and reign with Jesus these same 1000 years. In Revelation the angles announce the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ and he shall reign forever. Jesus defeated Satan at the cross but has not yet removed his earthly authority. It is obvious the world is under the sway of dark principalities. Daniel shows that the the kingdoms of man are finished in ch 2 and no trace of them is left as the stone cut without hands descends and crushes them and becomes a mountain a kingdom that covers the earth and shall not end. I showed that Zech 14 depicts the 2nd coming of Jesus and is the day the angels sing that phrase and the day that Daniel saw of the stone coming down. Zech 14 shows the LORD coming with his saints and melting his enemies and that the landscape has changes. the Mt of Olives splits in two and a new river is formed that flows year round. It says in that chapter that The LORD is king over all the earth and it shows a continuation of events on earth after this 2nd coming as the nations must now keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no rain. Satan it says i loosed after the 1000 years which Daniel 7 describes as
11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
13 “I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.

You see the dominion of the beast is taken away and yet their lives are prolonged for a season and a time. This dominion is taken away at teh 2nd coming where the kingdom is on earth for the 1000 years. Satan is then released without dominion and put down quickly and cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are. Then the great white throne judgement comes and then the new heaven and earth come down.

Throughout these discussions I point out that the mid point of dispensational eschatology requires Israel to be a nation and Jerusalem to be a troublesome stone to all the world and the middle of the 7 years the daily sacrifices are stopped again. I point out that against incredible odds these things are on the table right now. The temple institute has replicated everything necessary to resume the daily sacrifices. All the other signs such as rising world government and moral decline and eccumenical allingment are also happening.

The law of the prophets said if a prophet speaks in God's name and the thing does not happen then he is a false prophet and that was punishable by death. Peter says no prophecy is of any private interpretation. Gen 3 is the initial plot line for the whole Bible. The plot is expanded throughout the book. Col 1 gives a thesis statement that is parallel.

He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,[fn] the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
 
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I have already gone over this material of Genesis in an earlier post. The Genesis prophecy is followed by a genealogy and then expanded as we get to major players Abraham and David. The seed of the woman is the virgin birth the coming Messiah Jesus Christ our Lord. There is only two seeds you can be born into and we are either of our father the devil or born again through faith. The promise was expanded at Abraham in your seed all the nations of the world will be blessed and when we follow this line to David we see his seed is to be king forever. This line is followed in the gospels through Mary and Joseph to Jesus who was bruised by the serpent and has crushed his head.

Now this line of events is not proof or disproof of which view of the millennium is correct. I supplemented many passages showing the new covenant in the only one which we must be saved by and also followed clearly marked passages of chronological events that show Jesus must reign from Jerusalem. In Rev it speaks of Satan being bound 1000 years and also that those who died will live and reign with Jesus these same 1000 years. In Revelation the angles announce the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ and he shall reign forever. Jesus defeated Satan at the cross but has not yet removed his earthly authority. It is obvious the world is under the sway of dark principalities. Daniel shows that the the kingdoms of man are finished in ch 2 and no trace of them is left as the stone cut without hands descends and crushes them and becomes a mountain a kingdom that covers the earth and shall not end. I showed that Zech 14 depicts the 2nd coming of Jesus and is the day the angels sing that phrase and the day that Daniel saw of the stone coming down. Zech 14 shows the LORD coming with his saints and melting his enemies and that the landscape has changes. the Mt of Olives splits in two and a new river is formed that flows year round. It says in that chapter that The LORD is king over all the earth and it shows a continuation of events on earth after this 2nd coming as the nations must now keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no rain. Satan it says i loosed after the 1000 years which Daniel 7 describes as
11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
13 “I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.

You see the dominion of the beast is taken away and yet their lives are prolonged for a season and a time. This dominion is taken away at teh 2nd coming where the kingdom is on earth for the 1000 years. Satan is then released without dominion and put down quickly and cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are. Then the great white throne judgement comes and then the new heaven and earth come down.

Throughout these discussions I point out that the mid point of dispensational eschatology requires Israel to be a nation and Jerusalem to be a troublesome stone to all the world and the middle of the 7 years the daily sacrifices are stopped again. I point out that against incredible odds these things are on the table right now. The temple institute has replicated everything necessary to resume the daily sacrifices. All the other signs such as rising world government and moral decline and eccumenical allingment are also happening.

The law of the prophets said if a prophet speaks in God's name and the thing does not happen then he is a false prophet and that was punishable by death. Peter says no prophecy is of any private interpretation. Gen 3 is the initial plot line for the whole Bible. The plot is expanded throughout the book. Col 1 gives a thesis statement that is parallel.

He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,[fn] the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
There is no literal appearance of the virgin birth, Messiah, Jesus Christ, or the Lord, in Genesis 3:15. Those require a spiritualized interpretation.
 
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its funny how the genealogies follow the line of the promise and Isaiah7 adds

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. This is predicting the virgin birth and the genealogy goes from Eve to Mary who had this baby by the Holy Spirit I disagree with you and the seed of the woman is Jesus; a woman has no seed this is the virgin birth.
 
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Actually, what he posted there is 100% true. I don't understand how you can claim it's not. Have "the jews" come to salvation in the last 2000 years? Yes, or no.


Would you care to tell me how many of the 8.5 million Jews have obtained salvation through their Messiah, whom they rejected? There are Jews who have, but they are a very poor minority of the nation of Israel. That is why Hod let their temple and city of Jerusalem be destroyed by the Romans in 70 A,D, and send Israel into an 1.878 year diaspora. In addition, Israel is decreed by God to go through the tribulation as recorded in Jer.30:7 and Dan,9:27, while the Church does not.

Israel has not accepted the New Covenant, and received Jesus as their Messiah, and won't until Jesus second coming, as recorded in Zech.12:10 and 14:4-5.


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Ya, the new earth.


Jesus is returning to this earth to reign on the throne of David for 1,000 years as recorded in Rev.19:11-21 and 20:6, fulfilling Mt.6:9-13; Acts 1:6' 2:29-30; 15:16 Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47 and Zech.14:4-5.

He will also reign in the New Heaven and Earth.


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its funny how the genealogies follow the line of the promise and Isaiah7 adds

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. This is predicting the virgin birth and the genealogy goes from Eve to Mary who had this baby by the Holy Spirit I disagree with you and the seed of the woman is Jesus; a woman has no seed this is the virgin birth.
I presume this a response to my post, so I repeat:
The words virgin, birth, Mary, Holy Spirit, and Jesus; do not literally appear in the verse. Without them, the prophecy is not literal. It is spiritual, requiring spiritual insight and understanding. The assertion that "the prophecies that have been fulfilled were done so literally and physically" thus fails on Scripture's first prophecy.
 
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I presume this a response to my post, so I repeat:
The words virgin, birth, Mary, Holy Spirit, and Jesus; do not literally appear in the verse. Without them, the prophecy is not literal. It is spiritual, requiring spiritual insight and understanding. The assertion that "the prophecies that have been fulfilled were done so literally and physically" thus fails on Scripture's first prophecy.
no i was not disagreeing with you my post was in defending my answer on Gen 3 when asked what is that prophecy mean which opened up the discussion. I affirm the virgin birth and the the seed of the woman is Jesus.
 
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its funny how the genealogies follow the line of the promise and Isaiah7 adds

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. This is predicting the virgin birth and the genealogy goes from Eve to Mary who had this baby by the Holy Spirit I disagree with you and the seed of the woman is Jesus; a woman has no seed this is the virgin birth.


Prophecied in Isa.7:14 and fulfilled in in Mt.1:20-23.


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Israel is decreed by God to go through the tribulation as recorded in Jer.30:7 and Dan,9:27, while the Church does not.

The Capital "C" Church as we use the word today is not found in the entire Book of Revelation.
Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found.



Rev 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 

Those above cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church revealed by Christ in Matthew 16:18 and Matthew 26:28.



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I presume this a response to my post, so I repeat:
The words virgin, birth, Mary, Holy Spirit, and Jesus; do not literally appear in the verse. Without them, the prophecy is not literal. It is spiritual, requiring spiritual insight and understanding. The assertion that "the prophecies that have been fulfilled were done so literally and physically" thus fails on Scripture's first prophecy.
recognizing the verses that amplify Gen 3 is pretty easy since the genealogy connects them directly. I am not sure what you mean in your view of Gen 3. apart from further revelation it makes little sense but after further revelation it makes perfect sense. Like Melchizedek who shows up in Gen to meet Abraham and then again in the psalms and waits for Paul in the book of Hebrews to explain it.
 
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It seems to me that there is confusion concerning the coming two kingdoms of God. It seems aattributes of the Millennial Kingdom are being confused with attributes of the Messianic Davidic Kingdom.

We must distinguish between these two coming kingdoms -- the heavenly Millennial Kingdom and the earthly Messianic Davidic Kingdom.


The 1000 year Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:1-6) is a coming heavenly kingdom which will usurp the heavenly kingdom now being held by Satan and his angels (Ephesians 6:12)

This Millennial heavenly kingdom must be established first before the earthly Davidic Kingdom. Following the coming war in heaven we shall hear this heavenly proclamation:

Revelation 12:10
Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God
and the authority of his Messiah,
for the accuser of our comrades has been thrown down,
who accuses them day and night before our God.




Contrast the heavenly Millinneal Kingdom with the earthly Messianic Davidic Kingdom which is not for 1000 years, but is FOREVER.

That is, it is guarantied for 1000 generations as per God's two sworn witnesses: Psalm 105:7-11 and 1 Chronicles 16:14-18

He is the Lord our God; his judgments are in all the earth. He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:


Isaiah 9:6
For a child has been born for us,
a son given to us;
authority rests upon his shoulders;
and he is named
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
His authority shall grow continually,
and there shall be endless peace

for the throne of David and his kingdom.
He will establish and uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
from this time onward and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.


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IMO the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

The 1000 year Millennial Kingdom immediately follows Revelation's 5th Seal.

Whereas, the 1000 generations of the Messianic Davidic Kingdom immediately follows Revelation's 6th Seal.

Fifth Seal - Revelation 12:9
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered for the word of God and for the testimony they had given; 10 they cried out with a loud voice, “Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long will it be before you judge and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?” 11 They were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number would be complete both of their fellow servants and of their brothers and sisters, who were soon to be killed as they themselves had been killed.

Immediately following the 5th Seal, comes the 1000 year heavenly Millennial Kingdom


Sixth Seal - Revelation 12:12
When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and there came a great earthquake; the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree drops its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll rolling itself up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Then, immediately following the 6th Seal, comes the 1000 generations of the Messianic Davidic Kingdom


Bob..
 
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