Eating swine & other unclean animals is a work of the flesh

1stcenturylady said:

Hi Ken, have you ever read Leviticus 20:25-26. It shows the real reason why God chose animals as an object lesson.

25 You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean, between unclean birds and clean, and you shall not make yourselves abominable by beast or by bird, or by any kind of living thing that creeps on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26 And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.

Jesus came to give the gospel to the House of Israel, but because they rejected Him, the gospel was then given to the Gentiles and they were no longer unclean. Therefore, the object lesson was no longer viable either because God made the people clean, and no longer needed an object lesson saying they were unclean.

Does that mean it is healthy to eat shrimp with all that cholesterol? No. But it no longer against the law. Paul tells us in Romans 6 that it is just food now, and no longer against the law. He said, "12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power."

Therefore, it is not any kind of food that can make your body unclean, but sexual immorality.

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There is far more to it that "Israel rejected him." I can show you that 1/4 of the Jewish population in Jerusalem in that day believed he was messiah. And, I can show you that when the bible refers to Israel, it isn't always talking about Jewish people. But, this is a thread about food... I will start another thread after the eclipse. Lots to do between now and then. Blessings.

Ken Rank said:

There is far more to it that "Israel rejected him." I can show you that 1/4 of the Jewish population in Jerusalem in that day believed he was messiah. And, I can show you that when the bible refers to Israel, it isn't always talking about Jewish people. But, this is a thread about food... I will start another thread after the eclipse. Lots to do between now and then. Blessings.

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Be interested to read your proof documents, particularly the 1/4 of the people in Israel believed He was the Messiah.

GeorgeJ said:

I'll just have to cross that bridge IF I ever get to it....

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You'll probably come to that bridge this Sunday (or Saturday) when you head to church.

If you kindle a fire in your car engine to get there, you have failed to keep the law. Now that you have been warned about it you are without excuse.

Of course you may walk to church and that's really good for your health.

Me?

I'm having a big breakfast of sausage and eggs with leavened bread, firing up the old Bentley and heading out to worship.

I may even have a nice cigar in the evening while I listen to some praise music on the stereo.

But that's just me. You let your conscience be your guide.

Ken Rank said:

There is far more to it that "Israel rejected him." I can show you that 1/4 of the Jewish population in Jerusalem in that day believed he was messiah. And, I can show you that when the bible refers to Israel, it isn't always talking about Jewish people. But, this is a thread about food... I will start another thread after the eclipse. Lots to do between now and then. Blessings.

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Yes, God told Noah that everything that moves is good for food. But He separated Israel. I know that Gentiles are grafted in, but the point on food is that everything is now good for food. It is lawful, but not everything is healthy. It is just no longer a sin.

ToBeLoved said:

Be interested to read your proof documents, particularly the 1/4 of the people in Israel believed He was the Messiah.

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That is simple... Acts 21:20 says that "many thousands of Jews believed and remained zealous for the Torah." The word for "many thousands" is murias, which is the Greek word for 10,000, and it is in plural form which means no less than 20,000. The estimated Jewish population in Jerusalem in the first century was 80,000 (Estimating the Population of Ancient Jerusalem, Magen Broshi, BAR 4:02, Jun 1978) so that is "at least" 1/4.

And I have a perfectly good explanation as to why many others did not accept him. So because they were just stiffnecked... but the others we looking for something else... something their sages had taught about. That can be for another day... I do have to run. Blessings.

1stcenturylady said:

Yes, God told Noah that everything that moves is good for food. But He separated Israel. I know that Gentiles are grafted in, but the point on food is that everything is now good for food. It is lawful, but not everything is healthy. It is just no longer a sin.

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I don't agree... bat dung soaked in weasel urine is not food. God does not change... and pig, for example, was never considered food. Jesus came to reverse the curse of sin (death/decay) not do away with God's commandments. His character and reputation are revealed through what He sees as holy... and what He sees as unholy and the commandments are that collection of that which defines both.

Got to run.. be blessed.

Marvin Knox said:

You'll probably come to that bridge this Sunday (or Saturday) when you head to church.

If you kindle a fire in your car engine to get there, you have failed to keep the law. Now that you have been warned about it you are without excuse.

Of course you may walk to church and that's really good for your health.

Me?

I'm having a big breakfast of sausage and eggs with leavened bread, firing up the old Bentley and heading out to worship.

I may even have a nice cigar in the evening while I listen to some praise music on the stereo.

But that's just me. You let your conscience be your guide.

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I think you've misunderstood my position in this whole thing. Go back and read my other posts in this thread.

Ken Rank said:

I don't agree... bat dung soaked in weasel urine is not food. God does not change... and pig, for example, was never considered food. Jesus came to reverse the curse of sin (death/decay) not do away with God's commandments. His character and reputation are revealed through what He sees as holy... and what He sees as unholy and the commandments are that collection of that which defines both.

Got to run.. be blessed.

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LOL Of course not! dung is not alive, neither is urine.

The commandments are holy, and we, without Christ, are unrighteous. There are many unrighteous in the world who need the commandments. But Christ did away with sin in the flesh, which the commandments revealed. He gave us his own Spirit that does not sin to dwell in us as we walk in the Spirit. But it is up to us to die to the flesh, daily. Paul said, "I die daily." That is our cross on which we crucify the flesh.

Dkh587 said:

Shalom!

This thread is only about the subject of eating unclean animals, and how they make us unclean. Paul wrote to the Galatians that uncleanness is a work of the flesh. What is one of the things we can do to make ourselves unclean? Eat unclean animals.

Galatians 5:19-21

Keep in mind, this is in regards to what God says, and not man-made traditions.

Now, we know what animals are clean and unclean because the Scriptures record God telling Moses what animals are clean and unclean. HalleluYah!

The swine, or pig, is specifically mentioned:

Leviticus 11:7

Leviticus 11:43 shows us that eating unclean animals, birds, sea creatures, bugs etc defiles us and makes us unclean.

God specifically says that we should not defile ourselves and make ourselves unclean by eating unclean animals. Even touching their dead flesh makes us unclean.

No matter which unclean animal we eat, they all have the same effect: they make us abominable, they make us unclean, and they defile us(according to God)

There are other things that make us unclean, but considering that Paul wrote more than once about uncleanness, we should heed his words in light of what the Law of God says in regards to things that make us unclean, such as eating unclean animals(which is what this topic is about)

Ephesians 5:1-5

Again, there are many more things that make us unclean, but this thread is only about how eating unclean animals makes us unclean, per the word of God.

Shalom!

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first, in the old covenant there had been things used as a copy and shadow of very spiritual things (Hebrews 8:5, Hebrews 10:1); such was the case also with the clean and unclean animals; not that there has ever been a creature of God unclean by itself, but animals were used as a copy and shadow of spiritual things, because many of the worshipers had not been able to practice the faith entirely at the heavenly level in the times before the establishment/enactment of the New Covenant, for satan had had a very great power in the "heaven" for those times (Hebrews 9:6-10, Colossians 2:14-17, John 12:31, Matthew 27:50-51)...

on the other hand, for the same reason the eating of the meat of some animals had not been healthy (even) for worshipers, which is why in the old covenant there had been commandments regulating the consumption of animal meat...

Blessings

GeorgeJ said:

I think you've misunderstood my position in this whole thing. Go back and read my other posts in this thread.

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Quite so.

Wrong post to address my quips to.

1stcenturylady said:

LOL Of course not! dung is not alive, neither is urine.
The commandments are holy, and we, without Christ, are unrighteous. There are many unrighteous in the world who need the commandments................

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Reminds me of this passage:

Ezekiel 4:
13 Then said Yahweh, "In like manner, shall the sons of Israel eat their bread defiled,--among the nations whither I will drive them"
14 Then said I, "Ah! My Lord Yahweh, behold! my person hath not been defiled, neither of what hath died of itself, nor of what hath been torn in pieces have I eaten from my youthful days even unto now, neither hath come into my mouth the flesh of a foul thing".
15 So then He said unto me "see, I have granted thee cows dung for mans dung,--and thou shalt prepare thy bread thereupon.

According to Josephus, that prophecy appears to have been fulfilled in ad70:

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!

.........The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover...........

.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.
In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ......................

Matt 24:7
"For shall be being roused nation upon nation, and kingdom upon kingdom.
And shall be famines, pestilences, and quakes in various places. [Mark 13:8, Luke 21:11]

Luke 21:23
"Woe to the ones in belly having and the ones suckling in those Days!
For shall be great distress upon the Land[Judea] and wrath upon this people, this.

Reve 18:8
by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine
and in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her

Gonna have a spiral ham sandwich between two pieces of ham and bacon.

1stcenturylady said:

Yes, God told Noah that everything that moves is good for food. But He separated Israel. I know that Gentiles are grafted in, but the point on food is that everything is now good for food. It is lawful, but not everything is healthy.
It is just no longer a sin.

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I agree....

Tutorman said:

Gonna have a spiral ham sandwich between two pieces of ham and bacon.

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Gonna grab me a Baconator.....Bacon, beef and cheese go good together...

Premium Double Bacon Burger with Fresh Hamburger Meat - Wendy's

There are 950 calories in 1 cheeseburger of Wendy's Baconator Cheeseburger. You'd need to walk 248 minutes to burn 950 calories.
Carbohydrates: 40 g Protein: 60 g Fat: 27 g Sodium: (11%) 165 mg Cholesterol: 210 mg Dietary fiber: 2 g

LittleLambofJesus said:

Reminds me of this passage:

Ezekiel 4:
13 Then said Yahweh, "In like manner, shall the sons of Israel eat their bread defiled,--among the nations whither I will drive them"
14 Then said I, "Ah! My Lord Yahweh, behold! my person hath not been defiled, neither of what hath died of itself, nor of what hath been torn in pieces have I eaten from my youthful days even unto now, neither hath come into my mouth the flesh of a foul thing".
15 So then He said unto me "see, I have granted thee cows dung for mans dung,--and thou shalt prepare thy bread thereupon.

According to Josephus, that prophecy appears go have been fulfilled in ad70:

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!

.........The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover...........

.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.
In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ......................

Matt 24:7
"For shall be being roused nation upon nation, and kingdom upon kingdom.
And shall be famines, pestilences, and quakes in various places. [Mark 13:8, Luke 21:11]

Luke 21:23
"Woe to the ones in belly having and the ones suckling in those Days!
For shall be great distress upon the Land[Judea] and wrath upon this people, this.

Reve 18:8
by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine
and in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her

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Yikes!!!

LittleLambofJesus said:

I agree....
Gonna grab me a Baconator.....Bacon, beef and cheese go good together...

Premium Double Bacon Burger with Fresh Hamburger Meat - Wendy's

There are 950 calories in 1 cheeseburger of Wendy's Baconator Cheeseburger. You'd need to walk 248 minutes to burn 950 calories.
Carbohydrates: 40 g Protein: 60 g Fat: 27 g Sodium: (11%) 165 mg Cholesterol: 210 mg Dietary fiber: 2 g

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Not enough bacon

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There is something you may wish to consider,
The TRUE GOSPEL(good news!)[condensed version]


Consider this; believe as you will.

ALL HUMANS, after Adam and Eve, ARE BORN AS TRANSGRESSORS.



Later, the FINGER OF GOD gave us TRANSGRESSORS the 10 Commandments which(according to Scripture) IS THE ETERNAL LAW IN HEAVEN.



When the HEBREWS were walking in the desert 40 years, they were given ANOTHER LAW;
- the Law of Moses a.k.a.(Mosaic Law / Levitican Law)

Levitican Law was NOT GIVEN BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, but BECAUSE OF SINFULNESS!
Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.




IF you OBSERVE ONE Levitican Law, then one has bound oneself TO DO ALL.

Break JUST ONE and you are guilty of breaking all!

Galatians 3:10 (KJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things(including sacrifices for sin) which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.




Have you ever TRIED TO LIVE by LEVITICAN LAW?

NO HUMAN can live up to Levitican Law.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:



God DESIGNED Levitican Law AS Human's chance to demonstrate unto the universe
human being's INABILITY To ATTAIN SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.



One must remember THIS WAS BEFORE CHRIST'S Sacrifice

HAD humans been able to live up to Levitican Law, there would have been no need for Jesus' Sacrifice.


God designed Levitican Law STRICTLY to count ALL AS GUILTY
Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.



To exalt Christ's sacrifice TO THE FULLEST MEASURE
Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:


So now,

AFTER Christ's sacrifice,

establishing GRACE

which did what Levitican Law COULD NOT DO,

To RETURN BACKWARD to binding ones self to Levitican Law results in REJECTION OF GRACE and death.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.




LEVITICAN LAW was nailed to the cross, NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS!

HUMANS COULD NOT KEEP THE LETTER of THE LAW,

So what is the SPIRIT OF THE LAW?

IF you LOVE someone, would you;
Kill them?
Steal from them?
Take their wife?
Lie about them?


If God is love,

1 John 4:7-8 (KJV)
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.



Would not love fulfill the SPIRIT OF THE LAW?
Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love. . . . . . .


But THROUGH LOVE,

WE KEEP THE SPIRIT of the law.


Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.



Galatians 5 (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised(Levitican Law), Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the (Levitican)law; ye are fallen from grace.


Only those that have TRIED to NOT BREAK ONE LEVITICAN LAW can appreciate the TRUE VALUE of Christ's Sacrifice.

Dkh587 said:

You can call it a novelty all you want - unclean animals are still unclean and and they make us unclean to eat them. I've shown that all throughout the thread. Have you read everything in here?

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I understand what you're saying. But you have no authority to teach in opposition to Christ's Bride, the Church, and it's absurd to do so and yet think that you're obeying Christ who told you to submit to the teaching of those he put in authority over you. There's not a scrap of evidence since the earliest days of Christianity that the Church has ever believed as you do, and there's mountains of positive evidence that it believed the opposite of what you do; you might as well stand up in a room full of the people who learned the faith directly from the Apostles and tell them that you know better than they what was originally taught. In fact, thats exactly what you're doing.

I'm done here.