Eating swine & other unclean animals is a work of the flesh

SteveCaruso said:

I respectfully ask that you take a closer look at what I typed: "Fantastical" not "fanatical". It is quite a difference and I could see how such a mis-read would mar your opinion of my words.

I'll take the time in a bit to read over your edit, as I did not see it before I submitted my response.

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Yep... says fantastical... far less demeaning. Sorry...

Dkh587 said:

we could eat whatever we wanted. We could also have sex with animals.

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No, what it GOD say man could eat before the Law of Moses?

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Ken Rank said:

Even Peter, when confronted by other Jews... said the vision was about PEOPLE not what we eat. The vision was using the animals as SYMBOLS... just as God does throughout Scripture. Should we take Pharaoh's dream literally and make sure our sick cattle can't eat our healthy cattle? No... the dream wasn't about cattle, was it? Yet we have this dream where Peter tells God "NO!" to His face 3 times and then tells everyone that the vision was about people... and we somehow twist that into a mandate to eat bottom dwelling poop eaters?

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Hi Ken, have you ever read Leviticus 20:25-26. It shows the real reason why God chose animals as an object lesson.

25 You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean, between unclean birds and clean, and you shall not make yourselves abominable by beast or by bird, or by any kind of living thing that creeps on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26 And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.

Jesus came to give the gospel to the House of Israel, but because they rejected Him, the gospel was then given to the Gentiles and they were no longer unclean. Therefore, the object lesson was no longer viable either because God made the people clean, and no longer needed an object lesson saying they were unclean.

Does that mean it is healthy to eat shrimp with all that cholesterol? No. But it no longer against the law. Paul tells us in Romans 6 that it is just food now, and no longer against the law. He said, "12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power."

Therefore, it is not any kind of food that can make your body unclean, but sexual immorality.

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Dkh587 said:

God didn't really reveal that incest was a sin until He told Moses.

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Are you saying that Abraham was living in sin with Sarah?

Dkh587 said:

Why advocate eating swine when God revealed in His law that it's detestable to Him?

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It was against God's law for the Israelites to eat certain foods.

So you are admitting the God changes the laws that He gave to men depending on the time, circumstances, and what His intentions were in that part of His plan for mankind? Would you agree that the New Testament is the final word that we have from God?

But why pork and not for example lamb ?
Everything that God has order them to follow was to distinc Jews form gentiles . Gentiles had pyramid-like buildings for sacrifices to idols , God said that they should not have altar high up with steps to it Exodus 20:26 . Same goes for pork , they did not eat pork because pork was mostly main meat for sacrifices to idols , and they eat pork after that sacrifice , but Israel was ordered to sacrifice baby lamb and goats , and burn them fully , to distinct them from gentiles.

Same goes for mariage , while gentiles were having sex with each other and practicing homosexuality , Jews had to be virgin untill mariage and homosexuality was punished by death .

Dkh587 said:

Christ did not die so that we are free to break God's law and do whatever we want.

I'm sorry to sound harsh but most people are going to Gehenna(Hell) for living a life contrary to God & his commandments. Remember; there are many commands, and many ways to make ourselves unclean, but this thread is specifically about eating unclean animals.

And besides, who cares what 99.9% of
The world is doing? The book of Revelation says the devil deceives the whole world and that the whole world lies in wickedness. That's not really a valid measuring stick

The whole world eats pork... and does many other things contrary to God. That doesn't mean it's okay. I have eaten unclean animals before, but I don't anymore. There's a difference if you stop eating unclean animals versus continuing to pig out on pig.

Just like If there's any other sin or uncleanness in our lives - if we repent & stop, we will find forgiveness, grace & mercy. But not if we continue all of our lives doing whatever that sin or unclean thing may be, especially when we find out that it's against God's commands.

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The sin back then in the Old Testament was to NEVER eat pork or any unclean meat. God gave these rules to the Israelites to make known to them that if they broke any of their laws they are cut off from the family. If this applied today, anyone that would eat any unclean meat at any point in their life would go to Hell (cut off from God's family). I'm sorry but I don't think God measures life by what kind of food you eat anymore, Jesus died for that very fact.

I'm confused as to why you believe this if you are a Christian. That's the whole point of becoming a Christian so that you can go to Heaven. It's a gift of Salvation and it's a gift that's eternal. Now, I understand if you believe you can lose your salvation as many christians do, but to have this belief that you can't eat unclean meat? It's a wrong way to look at it, but honestly if it keeps you close to God, then by all means. He may be telling you that so that you don't stray away, it would keep you away from a lot of social events that might end up being sinful, so God may be telling you this personally because He knows it might make you stray.

All I'm saying is, you can't make a thread telling everyone that it's wrong and they should follow your example, that's judgmental and also not the way God intended when He said to witness to the people of the world.

We should all be spreading the Word of God and trying to bring people to Jesus, not telling them what food they should and shouldn't eat, Jesus took care of that LONG ago.

Dkh587 said:

I've already addressed this earlier in the thread:

Eating swine & other unclean animals is a work of the flesh

We don't live in the time prior to Moses. We know that eating swine is abominable to God. He revealed that to Moses. We have no excuse now.

God didn't really reveal that incest was a sin until He told Moses. so since that was prior to Moses, is it okay to have sex with our family? Do you advocate incest? No? Why advocate eating swine when God revealed in His law that it's detestable to Him?

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Read Acts 10:9-16 then Acts 11:1-18. You are clearly at fault in saying eating unclean animals is a work of the flesh. God made them unclean under the OT law for the Jews but showed Peter that He had made them clean. It clearly says "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean" and that is exactly what you are doing.

Dkh587 said:

The truth is the truth even if only 1 person believes it

A lie is a lie even if people believe it for 2,000 years

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Christ promised that His Church would never teach doctrinal error. You say that it did. I reckon I know who to believe.

Dkh587 said:

How do you know that you're not one of them?

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I'm not the one coming up with theological novelties on his own, thinking that I know better than the entire church.

Well, considering that eating is designed to fuel the physical body, making it an inherently flesh-centered undertaking, eating anything at all would, technically, be considered a work of the flesh. Nothing new there. Sustenance of the physical body is not evil.