Who/what are the four horsemen of the apocalypse?

Revealing Times

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Revealing Times,

This is what I want you to prove. I want to see where that's found in our bible, and what verses CLEARLY and specifically imply...

1. Harlot = ALL FALSE RELIGION...God Judges her in Rev. 17 by DESTROYING HER, He uses the Anti-Christ to JUDGE HER, she is not more after Rev. Ch. 6.

2. Babylon = False Governance via Satan who IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD !! The Statue will be Destroyed, by Jesus/God/The Rock cut out of the Mountain in Daniel ch. 2.


Show me how you arrive at you're conclusions. Not just what they are. NOT ONCE does Babylon imply what you said.
I gave you the link to a post in THIS SITE, I am not going to repost it on this thread that is not about Babylon but its about the Four Horsemen. Click the LINK...How did you miss it? Besides I explained much above, so maybe you need to reread it.
 
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I gave you the link to a post in THIS SITE, I am not going to repost it on this thread that is not about Babylon but its about the Four Horsemen. Click the LINK...How dis you miss it? Besides I explained much above, so maybe you need to read it.
This is where you showed me your conclusions. Problem is, all you did was tell me what you believe, NOT how you arrive at your conclusions. You can quote history all you want, and then a verse to support it, but show me HOW any VERSE supports what you believe! All people tend to do is TELL you what they believe, but NOT how they sxripturally arrive at their conclusion!

You said,
I explained above. The Same Beasts are Mentioned in Revelation 13. The Bible is about Israel. The Beasts are Beasts to ISRAEL, if that were not the case then why wouldn't the USA be a BEAST? Why not the USSR, China, the British Empire or even the Ottoman Empire? Because its about ISRAEL. Nations that have Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel, can we name them? YES, OF COURSE, they are Egypt, (Israel were in Bondage there and were freed by God Himself) Assyria, took away the 10 Tribes, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all Ruled/Conquered Israel. That is the Six Heads. From Daniel forth there are Five Heads counting the Little Horn/Beast/Anti-Christ. Adding in the other two give us all Seven Heads. There is no one else who have Conquered/Enslaved Israel.

From 125 AD until 1948 Israel was what? Ezekiel stated in his Prophecy they would be AS DEAD MEN'S BONES !! That is why the British Empire and Ottoman Empire can not be considered a BEAST, there was no Israel in the Land, they were dispersed the world over. BUT....What happened in 1948? Ezekiel's Prophecy was FULFILLED !! Son of Man, can these Bones Live Again Son of Man? YES...There can, and they have been REBORN as a Nation, now and only now can the SEVENTH HEAD of the Beast be loosed, the Anti-Christ/Little Horn.

My computer isn't charging, I play with it and it starts charging if I hold it just right so maybe I am a little impatient, I apologize if I come across as a little flabbergasted at times, I see so many people who have so many different ideas, and they can not all be of God, and that saddens me. We can't put forth interpretations of prophecy and say we hope its right, either we should say we understand or we are guessing.
 
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This is where you showed me your conclusions. Problem is, all you did was tell me what you believe, NOT how you arrive at your conclusions. You can quote history all you want, and then a verse to support it, but show me HOW any VERSE supports what you believe! All people tend to do is TELL you what they believe, but NOT how they sxripturally arrive at their conclusion!
I gave you a link, it has the minutia in it. Here is what gets me, you say its Islam without any proof at all. Then I explain why it IS ISLAM, but MUCH MORE with details.

What I have found with people like you is you are not really interested in fact, it seems you have predetermined ideas and nothing can change your opinion.
 
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I do not believe that the first horseman was the Antichrist. The Antichrist would not be given a crown, a white robe or be riding on a white horse. White signifies unblemished holiness. The first horsemen is no other than a newly crowned king: Jesus Christ.-Revelation 1:14; 4:4; 19:11, 14; 20:11.
 
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I do not believe that the first horseman was the Antichrist. The Antichrist would not be given a crown, a white robe or be riding on a white horse. White signifies unblemished holiness. The first horsemen is no other than a newly crowned king: Jesus Christ
what do you make of the bow?
 
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I admit I did not read every word of every post but I have skimmed the entire thread. Why is it I found only one short reference to Zechariah 6? How can this not be relevant?



Zechariah 6:1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.

2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;

3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?

5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.

7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.

8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

It is a bit amusing that there can be so many different interpretations of who or what the 4 horses are stated with absolute certainty.

I have my own ideas as well, but to state this or that is absolutely correct on this topic IMHO is a mistake.

3 horses match exactly and it can be argued that all 4 do with just different terminology used on the 4th.

If Zechariah and John saw the same thing and I believe they did , one thing is certain. “These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth”

The horses represent spirits which are in the presence of the Lord and go forth to do His bidding I would assume. I would start there, now what do they do and what do they accomplish?

IMHO this rules out the white horse being the antichrist or even Christ Himself.

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Hal A Peno:

Referencing these scriptures carefully should further support my interpretation of the original post. Revelation 19:11-16. See: Psalms 2:9; Isaiah 11:1, 4; Revelation 1:14, 16; 2:27; 3:14; 12:5.

Opinions are a snare if we are not careful. Regardless of how we all try to control or avoid them, they come out because of human imperfection. The use of scriptural references are my foundation and support of my posts-as evidenced.
 
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The 7 seal will be opened within 3.5 years of tribulation, but the 5th trumpets will sound at the end of 3.5 years.

This is because the 2 Witnesses shall be killed after 3.5 years of testimony by the angel from bottomless pit which shall be released by the 5th trumpet. thats why we know that the 5th trumpets shall be sounded after the 2 Witnesses testimony comes to 3.5 years.
 
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