[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

CDF47 · Aug 17, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
You are not addressing the point I made. As I said. Everyone leaves these debates with the same views they joined them with.
Under the OC the Israelites had to be encouraged to set aside a specific day to worship and meditate on God. For as God told Moses, they were a stiff necked, heathen people who would soon desert him when they got to the promised land.
However, under the NC father and son live in us and we in them through the Holy Spirit who dwells in every Christian( john17:21)
Therefore everyday of the week you will instinctively dwell on Father and Son/ meditate upon them. And every day of the week you will give heartfelt thanks to God for what he did for you by sending His Son to die for you. The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is not ignored

Can you answer my question with a yes or a no. The question is clear. Do you believe Christians should follow the Ten Commandments when they know and understand them? I believe they should.

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

CDF47 said:
And the Spirit leads people to not steal, not murder, not commit adultery, not covet,...

I see no point in continuing this. No matter what I write you will virtually ignore it in order to keep the beliefs you started with.
The Christian in their heart wants to obey God for that is where the law has been placed. However, you do not obey by looking to the written code and trying your best to obey it( in that sense you die to the law) you look to Christ, and trust him through the spirit to bring you to live an ever holier life.
The more you do this, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in your life( gal5:22) that fruit will bring you into conflict with none of the law placed in your heart, for that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
Hence:
Against such things( fruit) there is no law
Verse23

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

CDF47 said:
Can you answer my question with a yes or a no. The question is clear. Do you believe Christians should follow the Ten Commandments when they know and understand them? I believe they should.

I have plainly answered your question concerning the fourth commandment. Under the NC the spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is followed daily. I do not believe Christians are asked to set aside a set Saturday as sabbath

CDF47 · Aug 17, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
I see no point in continuing this. No matter what I write you will virtually ignore it in order to keep the beliefs you started with.
The Christian in their heart wants to obey God for that is where the law has been placed. However, you do not obey by looking to the written code and trying your best to obey it( in that sense you die to the law) you look to Christ, and trust him through the spirit to bring you to live an ever holier life.
The more you do this, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in your life( gal5:22) that fruit will bring you into conflict with none of the law placed in your heart, for that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
Hence:
Against such things( fruit) there is no law
Verse23

That's fine, we can end the debate. Thanks for the discussion and things to consider on this topic my Christian brother.

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

CDF47 said:
That's fine, we can end the debate. Thanks for the discussion and things to consider on this topic my Christian brother.

I mean this most sincerely. You cannot accept me as your Christian brother for i have no consciousness I sin by not setting aside Saturday as a set sabbath day. It would be impossible for me to have no consciousness of sin concerning this if the law was placed in my heart I must observe a set Saturday sabbath. And you believe that is placed in all Christians.
It is better to face the truth of where our convictions lead than be in denial of them

CDF47 · Aug 17, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
I mean this most sincerely. You cannot accept me as your Christian brother for i have no consciousness I sin by not setting aside Saturday as a set sabbath day. It would be impossible for me to have no consciousness of sin concerning this if the law was placed in my heart I must observe a set Saturday sabbath. And you believe that is placed in all Christians.
It is better to face the truth of where our convictions lead than be in denial of them

You may have a false belief of the Sabbath and still be Christian. Do you consider yourself a Christian? Also, you never answered my question. Do you believe Christians should obey the Ten Commandments when they know and understand them? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

Sin is the transgression of the law1 John 3:4

Hence:

Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom3:20

So what is the result of the law being written in your mind and placed on your heart. What does the knowledge of that law bring?

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

Why is it so important to get this right?

Sin is the transgression of the law.

Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin. If you fail to observe the law you do commit sin:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing the law/ not committing sin. Rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

CDF47 · Aug 17, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
Sin is the transgression of the law1 John 3:4

Hence:

Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom3:20

So what is the result of the law being written in your mind and placed on your heart. What does the knowledge of that law bring?

That is why we need Jesus as our salvation because we are all sinners.

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

CDF47 said:
That is why we need Jesus as our salvation because we are all sinners.

So, do you agree with the statement:
You can only be in a saved state as long as you obey the law/TC

CDF47 · Aug 17, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
So, do you agree with the statement:
You can only be in a saved state as long as you obey the law/TC

No, salvation comes by grace through faith in Jesus.

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

CDF47 said:
No, salvation comes by grace through faith in Jesus.

Glad you don't agree

CDF47 · Aug 17, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
Glad you don't agree

See, we are kind of on the same page...LOL

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

CDF47 said:
See, we are kind of on the same page...LOL

I accept you as a Christian

Don't forget. There were believers in Acts who wanted gentile converts to be circumcised and obey the entire law(Acts15:5) And then there was Paul!
It was a very broad church!

LoveGodsWord · Aug 17, 2017

Uber Genius said:
Gal 3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[a] the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Hi Friend,

I do not think anyone is proposing that anyone is saved by keeping God's commandments. Simply if you love Jesus he will change your heart to follow him. This is the New Covenant (Eze 36:26-27; Heb 8:10-12). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10.

In Christ!

LoveGodsWord · Aug 17, 2017

Uber Genius said:
So what do you think Paul is talking about in Rom 8 about the ineffectiveness of the law? What about Gal 3 where he chastises the Galatians for having begun by the spirit and then continue by the law? Paul calls them,

New Covenant as above. God's Law written on the heart through the Spirit.

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Friend,

I do not think anyone is proposing that anyone is saved by keeping God's commandments.

In Christ!

But you do propose a person can only be in a saved state if they obey the TC

stuart lawrence · Aug 17, 2017

It's quite a pun:

I am not proposing anyone is saved by keeping Gods commandments

But

You can only be in a saved state if you obey the TC

LoveGodsWord · Aug 17, 2017

Hi Listed

Some comments below for your consideration.

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: It is important to worship God everyday but God has made the 7th Day of the week a Holy day for mankind and has asked his people to keep it as a Holy day (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27-28, Exodus 20:8-11; James 2:8-12; John 14:15). Some thoughts on Hebrews 4 and context

No. God demanded this from Israel only who are called his people. God also made a promise to those outside of Israel to call them His people. Nowhere does God indicate these other people would become Israel.

Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today anyone the is following Jesus is part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word.

Who does God’s Word say spiritual Israel (God’s people) are today?
Galatians 3:28-29 ; Colossians 3:11 ; Romans 10:11-13 ; Romans 2:28-29 ; Jeremiah 31:33-4 ; Hebrews 8:10-12 ; Galatians 3:29 ; Hebrews 10:14-17 ; Revelation 14:12 ; Revelation 22:14

In Christ Always!

LoveGodsWord · Aug 17, 2017

Hi Listed
Some comments below for your consideration.

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said:
HEB 4
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limited a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

This passage says nothing about keeping the sabbath which is obviously not the 7th day sabbath. Matthew 11:28-30 offers something the sabbath doesn't offer and is only found in Jesus.

Actually it is absolutely talking about the 7th Day rest of the week of creation which is the origin of the 7th Day Sabbath commandment as well as the Sabbath commandment as referenced in verse 9 (Hebrews 4:1-4; Hebrew 4: 9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (“rest” in verse 9, translates as Sabbath rest linked). Jesus is the Word. Those that did not enter into God’s Sabbath rest did not enter in because of their “Unbelief” which was not believing God which resulted in sin (breaking God’s Sabbath).

In Christ Always!

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Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

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