Banning -- I want Democrats to talk about racism everyday

Phil 1:21

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Perhaps many do not understand the meaning involved with false equivalence. On one side you have those who promote anti-Semitism, racism, and white superiority whereas on the other side you have those who oppose such hateful ideology. So fundamentally one side promotes hatred and one side opposes hatred. One might with justification condemn violence on either side but clearly there exists a distinct difference between the two sides...

Let me try to explain the error of your assertion with pictures.

This is what people who oppose hatred look like...

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...not this...

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...or this...

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...or this.

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Do you see the difference yet?
 
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Let me try to explain the error of your assertion with pictures. Do you see the difference yet?

JayW - It may be worth a little time in reading one's post before simply responding. I wrote "One might with justification condemn violence on either side but clearly there exists a distinct difference between the two sides..." Is that not clear enough?

So in effect you disregarded my justification of condemning violence and totally ignored the point of equivalency. So I will ask you the question ... do you see the difference?
 
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JayW - It may be worth a little time in reading one's post before simply responding. I wrote "One might with justification condemn violence on either side but clearly there exists a distinct difference between the two sides..." Is that not clear enough?

Trust me, your point is very clear. You condemn hatred on one side of the aisle while justifying it on the other. Got it.

So I will ask you the question ... do you see the difference?

Between my first and following three photos? Yes. The first opposes hate. The rest promote it.

Between the neo-nazis/skinheads/white supremacists and the Antifa/BLM folks in Charlottesville? Yeah, one group of hateful terrorists is on the extreme right while the other is on the extreme left. The difference between you and me is I condemn them both.
 
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Racist organizations (like the KKK) seek to promote the inferiority of certain people (in the case of the KtsKK, anyone who is not a white Christian).

Groups like BLM seek equality.
That is why they demand segregated facilities for blacks and call publicly for the murder of policemen, eh?

It isn't even possible to look with favor upon what BLM says while overlooking what they do. :doh:
 
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That is why they demand segregated facilities for blacks and call publicly for the murder of policemen, eh?

It isn't even possible to look with favor upon what BLM says while overlooking what they do. :doh:

Perhaps there are some extremists who claim those positions, but I just checked the BLM website, and do not see where they call for segregated facilities or murdering police.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/
 
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Perhaps there are some extremists who claim those positions, but I just checked the BLM website, and do not see where they call for segregated facilities or murdering police.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/
I can imagine that they are careful not to paint an unappealing picture of themselves to people who are checking a website for information.

I have never looked myself, but I would be willing to bet that if you checked a KKK website, you will find them saying that they uphold Christianity and the Constitution, are patriotic, and etc.

What either of them actually supports is not defined by a website that essentially exists as advertising for the organization.
 
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I can imagine that they are careful not to paint an unappealing picture of themselves to people who are checking a website for information.

I have never looked myself, but I would be willing to bet that if you checked a KKK website, you will find them saying that they uphold Christianity and the Constitution, are patriotic, and etc.

What either of them actually supports is not defined by a website that essentially exists as advertising for the organization.

So why don't you supply some evidence that demonstrates that, as a movement, BLM supports racist policies. I am not talking about individual extremists, I am talking about leaders in the movement or policies that permeate the movement as a whole.

Other than conservative anti-BLM propaganda, I could not find any.
 
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Trust me, your point is very clear. You condemn hatred on one side of the aisle while justifying it on the other. Got it.

Thanks JayW, obviously you simply extract what you choose from discussions. Though I pointed out a number of times where you falsely attributed comments to me that were not made, and by extension refuse to address the point of equivalency.

If I follow your line of reasoning then people who promote Nazi ideology are the same as those who condemn Nazi ideology. So that the fundamental ideology is unimportant only whether there exists an assent to violence... got it, Thanks. (Can you show where I wrote supporting the use of violence on either side? Can you show me where you even addressed the ideologies involved?)
 
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Yes, one is a hate of Jews, Blacks, etc. and one is a hate of that mentality...quite a difference isn't it?

You're only half right. The fact that our president denounced racism and it's still not good enough for you should help guide you to the real issue. People who hate will always look for reasons to hate....racial or otherwise.

Again, here's a demonstration of people who actually oppose hatred. No fires, no bricks being thrown...just peace and love. And it changed our nation. If the alt-left was really interested in fighting hate, they already have the perfect example (aside from Jesus Christ himself).

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You're only half right. The fact that our president denounced racism and it's still not good enough for you should help guide you to the real issue. People who hate will always look for reasons to hate....racial or otherwise.

"...guide me to the real issue"? It is not I who don't understand the difference between hate and hating the ideology of that hater. Clearly the reason that republicans, the military, and even Fox news disavowed Trump's chaotic news conference was because he walked back his condemnation of white supremacy, Nazi beliefs, and racism.

If you choose to believe that people who hold the tenets of neo-Nazism, white supremacy, and racism are the same as people who protest and hate such ideology then so be it. John 2: 13-17 might be of interest...there is a place for righteous anger.

In the midst of Trump's incessant false statements and lies one thing he said appears true..."I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
 
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He's right the Democrats are losing a lot of support and yet they think they are gaining some.
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Bannon: I want Democrats to talk about racism every day
I think that it is never a good policy for a political party to assume that the large majority of Americans are racist, and run your political party on those grounds.
In the end it was not particularly surprising that race was always in the foreground of what the Obama presidency was. His was a real watershed presidency on that issue, and people were willing to listen to his point of view on that.

But if the Democratic party thinks that rich white liberals from their gated rich white neighborhoods hectoring and lecturing the unwashed masses about their micro-aggressions and racist attitudes is their way to eternal power, there are probably a preponderance of Americans who see that message as getting very old and stale very fast.
 
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John 2: 13-17 might be of interest...there is a place for righteous anger.

John 2:13-17? Is that the part where Jesus walks down the street chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon!"? Or is it the passage where he smashes store fronts, overturns police cars, and beats people in the streets because he doesn't like the outcome of a presidential election?

Like I said, people who hate will always look to justify their hate...even by perverting scripture.
 
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John 2:13-17? Is that the part where Jesus walks down the street chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon!"? Or is it the passage where he smashes store fronts, overturns police cars, and beats people in the streets because he doesn't like the outcome of a presidential election? Like I said, people who hate will always look to justify their hate...even by perverting scripture.

As usual avoid the questions and the issue... always good to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the discussion. You might consider reading John again because if you think Jesus was passive...perhaps you have another translation!!! Without avoiding another question please explain how scripture was "perverted"????
 
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Without avoiding another question please explain how scripture was "perverted"????

You used Jesus' righteous anger that God's temple was turned into a "den of thieves" to justify the actions of people who advocate for the killing of police officers and start violent riots because they lost a presidential election...and you're asking me to explain to you how you perverted scripture? Please tell me you're not serious. :doh:
 
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You used Jesus' righteous anger that God's temple was turned into a "den of thieves" to justify the actions of people who advocate for the killing of police officers and start violent riots because they lost a presidential election...and you're asking me to explain to you how you perverted scripture? Please tell me you're not serious. :doh:

JayW - Nice try...have you been following this discussion at all? We are discussing Neo-nazi, white supremacy, and racism and Trump's failure to address it...well to backtrack from his forced and prompted one statement. The point you either fail to understand or won't address is the fundamental ideology between hate and anti-hate.

Please look up Straw man fallacy, it is what you have been using to avoid real discussion. Since you haven't explained anything but suffice to say just more of your tangents...answer this: Where did I "justify the actions of people who advocate for the killing of police officers and start violent riots because they lost a presidential election." Please let me know the post where I stated such... if you can't then obviously my point on your methodology stands.
 
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We are discussing Neo-nazi, white supremacy, and racism and Trump's failure to address it...

But President Trump did address it. He denounced it sternly and specifically. And yet that's not good enough for you. Why? Your repeated justification of extreme leftist hatred and violence makes your motivations abundantly clear.

Where did I "justify the actions of people who advocate for the killing of police officers and start violent riots because they lost a presidential election."

Asked and answered by your justifying these groups' conduct by equating it to Jesus clearing the temple courts. You took a swing and missed...horribly.
 
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But President Trump did address it. He denounced it sternly and specifically. And yet that's not good enough for you. Why? Your repeated justification of extreme leftist hatred and violence makes your motivations abundantly clear. Asked and answered by your justifying these groups' conduct by equating it to Jesus clearing the temple courts. You took a swing and missed...horribly.

Yes, he denounced it on Monday and backtracked on Tuesday. If you didn't notice even a majority of the Fox news people denounced his resort to his original message of 8/12. Even if it was "good enough" for me or his ossified supporters obviously as I stated a number of times without response it wasn't good enough for republicans, the military, and even Fox news.

In other words you are incapable of showing me a post where I justified "killing of police officers and start violent riots because they lost a presidential election." Rather you attempt, quite poorly, to equate Jesus righteous anger example and then leap over myriad fallacies to some how equate a statement I never made? You are the one not only "took a swing and missed ... horribly" but have been quite dishonest in this discussion. Look back at how many times you've accused me of things that were never said... We Christians should be held to a higher standard.
 
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In other words you are incapable of showing me a post where I justified...

You're the one who threw out John 2:13-16 as justification for BLM (who has called for the killing of police officers at their marches) and Antifa (who started violent riots on election night and the following day because Hillary lost). The thing you've proven is that you don't have a problem with hate, just hate on the other side of the political aisle.

We Christians should be held to a higher standard.

I urge you to use that as a springboard for introspection the next time you feel inclined to equate a violent mob of domestic terrorists with the righteous anger of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
 
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