Muslim-only gated community with mosque, Islamic school, apartments and childcare centre rejected

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You mean like how white people used to have their own hospitals & gated communities? For a short while as a kid I went to a Christian school that had been founded specifically to get around desegregation laws, on the account that the law hadn't been enforced in private schools at that time, just public. It wasn't until the 1990s that a black student graduated from there.

This popped up in the news recently:

"in or around 1942, the Bay View board adopted a resolution rolling back almost 70 years of tolerance of religious diversity and stating: '... no person shall be accepted as a member of this association or be allowed to rent or lease property or a room, for longer than a period of one day, unless such person is of the white race and a Christian ... ," Prescott wrote.

The race requirement was removed in 1959 but the religion test remained, with "further restrictions on the precise sect of Christian owners" from the 1960s to 1980s, the lawsuit said.

During that period, Roman Catholics could only comprise 10 percent of ownership, the lawsuit said."
 
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You mean like how white people used to have their own hospitals & gated communities? For a short while as a kid I went to a Christian school that had been founded specifically to get around desegregation laws, on the account that the law hadn't been enforced in private schools at that time, just public. It wasn't until the 1990s that a black student graduated from there.
That is exactly why this kind of thing needs to be opposed.
This is the kind of world we opposed back then, and this is the kind of world that we need to oppose right now, and every time it rears its ugly head.
Tribalism is an anathema to the kind of pluralistic society that liberal minded people are striving to build.
 
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That is exactly why this kind of thing needs to be opposed.
This is the kind of world we opposed back then, and this is the kind of world that we need to oppose right now, and every time it rears its ugly head.
Tribalism is an anathema to the kind of pluralistic society that liberal minded people are striving to build.

Well sure, but we should be in strong opposition to the attitudes that drive folks towards wanting to be in segregated communities just so they don't have to live in fear of their kids being harassed biking around the neighborhood on account of their religion or skin color.
As a Christian I hate that the Muslim folks feel the need to separate themselves to live peacefully. That's just a shame.
 
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Well sure, but we should be in strong opposition to the attitudes that drive folks towards wanting to be in segregated communities just so they don't have to live in fear of their kids being harassed biking around the neighborhood on account of their religion or skin color.
As a Christian I hate that the Muslim folks feel the need to separate themselves to live peacefully. That's just a shame.

So it's not Islamic supremacy in your opinion? Instead they are victims?
 
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I notice a couple of people in this thread who have spoken out against multiculturalism in other threads seemingly supporting the idea here because it fits with a narrative.

When discussing immigration, it's "you have to drop all that baggage when you come here you have to give up the traditions and cultural aspects from back home and be like everyone else in our country", but when it's something like this, it's "no, you can't do that, because we want to promote multiculturalism"

...that does seem to be a bit of a double-standard on the part of some conservatives.


...But, with that out of the way, a religious-specific closed community can cause some issues. Sometimes it's relatively benign like with the Amish communities (though I do still feel like their doing harm to their Children by not properly educating them), other times it can be quite problematic like the FDLS who used their closed off communities as a way of both ignoring certain laws they didn't like (without prying eyes from external law enforcement), and keeping people inside from reaching to the outside for help or telling people on the outside what kinds of things are really going on in there.
 
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So it's not Islamic supremacy in your opinion? Instead they are victims?

Could very well be both, depending on the folks & their circumstances. Certainly there are Muslim folks who are the victims of discrimination & scared for their kids, wanting them to just have a peaceful childhood.
 
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I notice a couple of people in this thread who have spoken out against multiculturalism in other threads seemingly supporting the idea here because it fits with a narrative.

When discussing immigration, it's "you have to drop all that baggage when you come here you have to give up the traditions and cultural aspects from back home and be like everyone else in our country", but when it's something like this, it's "no, you can't do that, because we want to promote multiculturalism"

...that does seem to be a bit of a double-standard on the part of some conservatives.


...But, with that out of the way, a religious-specific closed community can cause some issues. Sometimes it's relatively benign like with the Amish communities (though I do still feel like their doing harm to their Children by not properly educating them), other times it can be quite problematic like the FDLS who used their closed off communities as a way of both ignoring certain laws they didn't like (without prying eyes from external law enforcement), and keeping people inside from reaching to the outside for help or telling people on the outside what kinds of things are really going on in there.
The three models available for pluralistic nations who have opted for global immigration are
  1. segregation
  2. assimilation
  3. integration.

Segregation has roundly been rejected in America since the defeat of the last prominent segregationist, George Wallace. It is Jim Crow. It has had a tawdry history. Assimilation is more of the model in which newcomers are expected to conform and adapt the values and mores of the dominant culture. The worse expressions of this model, one might suppose, might be in theocracies like Saudi Arabia, where anyone who does not submit is considered forever an outsider.
Integration is a melting pot model. Everybody brings themselves to the society, adds what they have that is unique and valuable, and takes from the larger society what they find most valuable. It is in the end a uni-cultural model in America for there are the base set of American values— life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and a common lingua franca, in this case English— that people are expected to adopt in order to integrate well with one another. Other than that valuing liberty means the freedom is real enough to think what one wishes, to live as one wishes, and to pursue their own happiness on their own terms.

To the extent that multiculturalism is criticized, from the American conservative point of view at any rate, is because it is ultimately a segregationist model that rejects that there are any core values to serve as the hub of any integration processes. In absolute multiculturalism models, the centre is missing. There is nothing to integrate with. It has gone so far that negative cultural appropriation has become the newest buzzword. People lose their jobs in liberal establishments for not agreeing to sign on to the anti-cultural appropriation cause. It is Identity Politics at its worse, with the parameters of each identity group set hard and fast, and no set of core principles that would make anything one culture might desire any better or any worse than what any other culture may desire or want.
In the end it is a self-defeating system in our pluralistic world. Or more succinctly, God help us if Whites start signing on to this model in America in large numbers.

Anyone who does not want a return to Jim Crow ought to reject this model. If an Anya Sorensen wants to wear dreadlocks and dance to rap, or an Akachi Mugabe wants to put on a cowboy hat and cowboy boots, this is not something to be scorned as cultural appropriation. And if they both discover that pickeled herring and couscous are to their taste, then so what? This is integration at work. That is the melting pot making one out of the many. Cultural appropriation is the very grease that allow the disparate wheels of a pluralistic society to cog together smoothly.

Multiculturalism at its worse is segregation, solitudes of people sharing the same space, and otherwise going their own separate ways. People are correct to condemn it.
 
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Multiculturalism at its worse is segregation, solitudes of people sharing the same space, and otherwise going their own separate ways. People are correct to condemn it.

At it's worst, indeed -- but to reject it all out of hand seems a case of tossing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
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