The Laws Of The Universe

HeatRamosHidden said:

Of course, I think that this has to do with the "Laws of the Universe" or maybe "The Law" in a sense. This doesn't have to do with the Sabbath but it has to do with the Laws of the Universe.

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I wasn't the one complaining. I don't care... I agree with Bob that this might not have been the place for this but I really don't care.

Peace to you and yours.
Ken

HeatRamosHidden said:

Well Satan will never be a genuine deity. There's only one God. But Satan can and has caused changes in the laws of the universe. Any miracle is a change in the physical universe, at least. People will tell you that science is the observation of the laws of the universe and nature. If any genuine supernatural phenomenon exists from Satan's power, then it's a change in the laws of the universe.



If I'm wrong about him being "God of the Universe" he's still capable of doing things that counterfeit what God can do.

No matter what Satan's title is, he counterfeits God.

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Rods into serpents seems like a pretty good trick ... though theirs ended up getting swallowed by a chief serpent.

Ken Rank said:

Of course, it is your premise I "liked" (why this sub-forum?).... the word "defunct" I do not agree with at all. God called it olam... then it is olam. We can make the bible fit into our bias... or allow the bible to be what shapes our bias. But... that is for another thread... Shalom and Brakhot, Bob.

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Hi Ken, I am glad you asked. You are very perceptive. Are Christians under the old covenant. Didn't Jesus ratify the new covenant with His own blood at Calvary?

The old covenant was for one nation, Israel. No other nation or people were under the laws of that covenant. Biblical Israel ended at the Cross, but the Jews were not scattered all over the World until 70 years later when the Temple was destroyed. The Levitical system came to an end. The covenant no longer ruled the Jews. The 10 commandments were part of that covenant. Ex 19:5-6 In fact scripture tells us it was the covenant.

Paul, in the second letter to the Corinthians, stated the following:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 2Cor3:7-11

Those verses along with many more sure do prove to me that the 10 commandments are no longer in force. They were the guide for Israel and the Holy Spirit is the guide for us Christians. Transitory means temporary and the verses are written in the past tense. When addressing the 10 commandments I use the term "defunct" because most people believe we are subject to them. All they could do is point out some sins and tell the Israelites to keep the Sabbath every week. Everyone should know the real truth.

Bob S said:

Hi Ken, I am glad you asked. You are very perceptive. Are Christians under the old covenant. Didn't Jesus ratify the new covenant with His own blood at Calvary?

The old covenant was for one nation, Israel. No other nation or people were under the laws of that covenant. Biblical Israel ended at the Cross, but the Jews were not scattered all over the World until 70 years later when the Temple was destroyed. The Levitical system came to an end. The covenant no longer ruled the Jews. The 10 commandments were part of that covenant. Ex 19:5-6 In fact scripture tells us it was the covenant.

Paul, in the second letter to the Corinthians, stated the following:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 2Cor3:7-11

Those verses along with many more sure do prove to me that the 10 commandments are no longer in force. They were the guide for Israel and the Holy Spirit is the guide for us Christians. Transitory means temporary and the verses are written in the past tense. When addressing the 10 commandments I use the term "defunct" because most people believe we are subject to them. All they could do is point out some sins and tell the Israelites to keep the Sabbath every week. Everyone should know the real truth.

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I knew you were going to do this. I am not answering because this isn't the thread, YOU said so yourself. Bye.

Ken Rank said:

I knew you were going to do this. I am not answering because this isn't the thread, YOU said so yourself. Bye.

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Good point. Why then did you even bring up your disagreement?

Bob S said:

They were the guide for Israel and the Holy Spirit is the guide for us Christians.

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David seemed think he had the spirit ...

HeatRamosHidden said:

Yeah. Satan is infinitely less powerful than God.

He still has the power to manipulate powers beyond mortal ken, obviously by transmuting sticks into snakes, or maybe even resurrecting the dead in the End Times.

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According to what John observed, fundamentally, neither God nor the devil can do anything outside of the faith of the one who believes, which makes the laws of the universe (including the law of Moses) the law of our mind, which is perception.

The law of Moses, is not the same thing as the law of God, or it would not have gendered to bondage, which the end of is that the law is an inner truth, a spirit of truth, one like a land you possess, or something that flows out of you.

Aseyesee said:

The law of Moses, is not the same thing as the law of God, or it would not have gendered to bondage, which the end of is that the law is an inner truth, a spirit of truth, one like a land you possess, or something that flows out of you.

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Actually and respectfully, the law of Moses and God's law are exactly the same thing. If you are talking about universal law (i.e. physics) then no... but if you are talking about what the bible calls the law of God (Joshua 24:26) and the law of Moses (Joshua 8:31) then these are the same thing. Moses did not author the law he presented to Israel, God did. And though God wrote the first set with His finger, those tablets were broken and Moses essentially chisled in the second set as directed by God. But the words came from God and because Moses was the man God went through, the bible "idiomatically" refers to God's law as "Moses" (Acts 15:21) or "law of Moses" (cited above).

Ken Rank said:

Actually and respectfully, the law of Moses and God's law are exactly the same thing. If you are talking about universal law (i.e. physics) then no... but if you are talking about what the bible calls the law of God (Joshua 24:26) and the law of Moses (Joshua 8:31) then these are the same thing. Moses did not author the law he presented to Israel, God did. And though God wrote the first set with His finger, those tablets were broken and Moses essentially chisled in the second set as directed by God. But the words came from God and because Moses was the man God went through, the bible "idiomatically" refers to God's law as "Moses" (Acts 15:21) or "law of Moses" (cited above).

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That's not my dispute ...

Peter didn't think on the day of Pentecost (as they kept the law) that the gentiles had any part in God's book (the law of Peter's mind, as to the extent of what was cleansed by God's lamb, or in Peter's rebuke of Christ over his fulfilling of the law).

What the law means to God (in the form of his perception), and what it meant to Moses, were not the same thing, unless you believe Moses was God, which would no less be (from one place) the law of your mind, and what law crucified Christ, as it is the law found in Babylon, in whom is all the blood of those who were ever slain (from Cain to Jesus, and of course all those who have come after, being it is evident that collectively Babylon has not become desolate).

On the other hand, as a law that came down from Hagar, was Adam the Son of God, or God's Ishmael Cain or Esau ...

HeatRamosHidden said:

No one was capable of opening the seal, except Jesus, but Jesus is God himself. So, fundamentally, Jesus can now do with whatever he wants with the Laws of the Universe. He's earned the privilege.

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He did this while he was here, which puts the frame work of his revelation as a present truth, or an always was; much like the rest the law depicted, in relationship to a son.

It must move from a question of who to where, in order for it to be relational to us; as Jesus said, greater works will you do, because I go to the father.

HeatRamosHidden said:

I don't know what you're saying, but greater works will we do, through God.

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This was how Jesus was purported to have said of himself.

Magic is the art of illusion ... some say we live in one of our own making, and to some extent they are right.