What foods does the Father want us to eat?

Dkh587 · Aug 16, 2017

Mountainmanbob said:
By mistake am I in the Jewish Forum because I understand the first mentioned above but not the second.

My church likes barbecue and occasionally they might be a pig thrown on the pit.

M-Bob

Leviticus 11 explains it plainly and will help you understand how God considers eating unclean animals to be an abomination to him. The same book in chapter 18 lets us know that homosexuality is also an abomination to him.

Just because your church likes barbecue and eats swine doesn't mean that eating swine is not an abomination to God.

Mountainmanbob · Aug 16, 2017

Don't throw the stone brother it might bounce back and hit you.
Bob

Devin P · Aug 16, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
Are we under the Law, or under Grace? If the Law, then you must observe all 613 of the laws given to the Jews from the Lord, and if you mess up on ONE, even once, you end up a sinner, and bound to hell. And a lot of those laws are simply impossible to keep today, even if you live IN Jerusalem, as there is no longer a Temple for you to make sacrifice. Hence, your sacrifices made in the synagogues are worthless, and you end up a sinner and bound to hell.

However, we live by GRACE, and not by Law, as it says in in Romans 1:17 “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”

“And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.” 2Cor 12:9

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Eph 2:8

Now, you have before you a choice. Accept God's love, given to you by GRACE, manifest in the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, or attempt to keep the LAW, and die in your sins. Which do you choose?

BTW, The Old Testament LAW was given only to the Jews, and it was not for Gentiles.

We're under grace. As Paul points out, we still fulfill the law. We don't justify ourselves by the law however. We justify ourselves by our faith. However, how we walk shows which seed we are. In the flesh (sin - transgression of the law) children of Satan. In the spirit (desire to obey the law - despite breaking it because of the sin that lives dwells in our flesh: see Romans 14)

Monk Brendan · Aug 16, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Christ saved me, and he didn't teach disobedience to God's commands. Christ did not teach that it was okay to eat abominations.

Then you are under the LAW, and you must follow all 614 commands given to the Jews by Moses. May God have mercy on your soul.

Praying for you!

woobadooba · Aug 16, 2017

Apex said:
Why did he not let Abraham or Jacob know about it?

"because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws" (Genesis 26:5 NKJV).

Where else do we find similar wording?

"You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments." (Nehemiah 9:13 NKJV).

Devin P · Aug 16, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
Then you are under the LAW, and you must follow all 614 commands given to the Jews by Moses. May God have mercy on your soul.

Praying for you!

I'm not under the law. Being under the law is to try to be justified by the law. I'm justified by faith, but because I'm saved, and am no longer a slave to sin (desiring to disregard the law) I'm walking in the spirit (which the law is - spirit).

Genesis 26:5

Being under the law is trying to be justified by it, which can't happen. But just because we're under grace, the law in no way passes away. We still observe it, and to do away with it is to call the Savior a liar.

Dkh587 · Aug 16, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
Then you are under the LAW, and you must follow all 614 commands given to the Jews by Moses. May God have mercy on your soul.

Praying for you!

Somehow, I don't think God will be upset at those who trust in Messiah for salvation and don't eat pork and obey His commandments that He gave to Moses.

Devin P · Aug 16, 2017

Is Jesus a liar? He told you to go and sin no more. Sin is only described as transgression of the law. Without the law you can't know sin.

Jesus tells his disciples to obey the Pharisees because the sit in Moses seat teaching what he taught, but not to do as they do because they act out their own doctrine.

He says the law won't pass away until heaven and earth pass away. Both heaven and earth are pretty still here...

To say we shouldn't follow the law is calling him a liar directly.

Apex · Aug 16, 2017

Devin P said:
The words in parenthesis on "all foods being declared clean" were in fact put there by the translators, as they aren't in the original greek. Nor are they in every bible, they're only in certain versions based on publishers. Some - who stay more TRUE to the translation - don't add it in, and others choose to. Anything in parenthesis (the majority of the time, not in all cases) or italics (100% always the case) were added in by the translators.

Nonetheless, as far as who Cain married, I'm not entirely sure. Why do you ask?

No one is saying it is not an explanatory note. I'm suggesting it was made by the author, Mark, and not added later by scribes. Both the critical and majority Greek texts contain this note.

καθαρίζων πάντα τὰ βρώματα

What important manuscript doesn't have it? The only textual concern I know about is with the spelling of καθαρίζων (καθαρίζων vs καθαρίζον).

As for Adam and Eve's children. They must have had incestuous relationships with each other. If the Mosaic Law was universal and existed before Moses presented it to Israel. Adam's children would have had no choice but to violate many of the incest laws in Leviticus 18. Seems odd God would put them in that position if he really detested such acts universally.

Apex · Aug 16, 2017

woobadooba said:
No, Paul wasn't talking about people like me. I showed you clearly from the Scriptures that your statement is false. Instead of humbly thanking me for correcting you, now you are attacking me.

Attacking you? Did you really take that comment as an aggressive and violent action against you? Do you think Paul was attacking anyone in that passage? I would say he was simply informing them of their theological error. It was not an attack. I think Paul was addressing those who held a similar position as you. You can disagree. No need to get riled up.

Monk Brendan · Aug 16, 2017

Dkh587 said:
The Apostles taught obedience to God's law

Here is the context:
Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses....

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from BLOOD.

NOTE: The text does not say "animals with blood in them." it just says BLOOD. That is why, even today, when animals are slaughtered and butchered, most places will drain away the blood from the carcasses, especially Kosher and Halal slaughterhouses.

Nowhere in this document is either homosexuality or pork mentioned.

BTW, Toevah תועבה (the word that the KJV translates as abominable) actually has more the connotation of "icky." Nice people don't do that, type of a thing. For instance, why is picking up sticks on the Sabbath an abomination? (Numbers 15:32-36) Now, is picking up sticks really worth a death sentence? Even on the Sabbath?

Monk Brendan · Aug 16, 2017

Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 said:
Jesus himself said in parable of great pearl , that he gave everything even his life , to purchase this pearl . Jew who purchased great pearl , but pearl is not kosher for Jews .

Since when? A pearl is not eaten, for one thing. Second, Jesus was talking of the Kingdom of God, and how it is like a pearl of great price. Would yoiu give up your whole life for the kingdom of God?

Monk Brendan · Aug 16, 2017

Dkh587 said:
No - I'm a believer of the Messiah prophesied in the Torah, Prophets & Writings

Then why do you call yourself a Christian, if you are still waiting for the Messiah?

Goatee · Aug 16, 2017

Dkh587 said:
homosexuality and eating unclean animals are both abominations to God. And they are both transgression against God's law.

No such thing as unclean animals. Maybe in the OT for the Jews but not now. Jesus brought with him a new covenant.

Goatee · Aug 16, 2017

Devin P said:
Is Jesus a liar? He told you to go and sin no more. Sin is only described as transgression of the law. Without the law you can't know sin.

Jesus tells his disciples to obey the Pharisees because the sit in Moses seat teaching what he taught, but not to do as they do because they act out their own doctrine.

He says the law won't pass away until heaven and earth pass away. Both heaven and earth are pretty still here...

To say we shouldn't follow the law is calling him a liar directly.

Jesus fulfilled the law. He brought a new covenant!

Monk Brendan · Aug 16, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Swine is not sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Are you saying that God cannot make something unclean into clean? Gee, that puts all of us in a bad state, because if God cannot change unclean to clean, we are all lost in our sin, and are flying headlong into hell.

I like bacon! When I pray a blessing over bacon, then it changes it to Catholic bacon, and when I eat it, it becomes Catholic ME! If God is all powerful, then He can change that "unclean" bacon into Catholic bacon, or pork chop, or ham, or anything else porcine.

JIMINZ · Aug 16, 2017

Dkh587 said:
No - I'm a believer of the Messiah prophesied in the Torah, Prophets & Writings

Why thanks DKH that explains a lot.

Dkh587 · Aug 16, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
Then why do you call yourself a Christian, if you are still waiting for the Messiah?

I'm waiting on the Messiah to come back...

Dkh587 · Aug 16, 2017

Goatee said:
No such thing as unclean animals. Maybe in the OT for the Jews but not now. Jesus brought with him a new covenant.

according to you there are not unclean animals, but according to God there is. Leviticus 11

Dkh587 · Aug 16, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
Are you saying that God cannot make something unclean into clean? Gee, that puts all of us in a bad state, because if God cannot change unclean to clean, we are all lost in our sin, and are flying headlong into hell.

I like bacon! When I pray a blessing over bacon, then it changes it to Catholic bacon, and when I eat it, it becomes Catholic ME! If God is all powerful, then He can change that "unclean" bacon into Catholic bacon, or pork chop, or ham, or anything else porcine.

Humans aren't pigs, and the Messiah didn't come for pigs.

pigs are unclean. Humans should not eat pigs. It doesn't matter how many prayers and blessings you put over a dead pig: it's still abominable to God to eat it.

God is all powerful and all knowing but he stil never made swine clean and acceptable to eat.

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