COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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I am not twisting what you say at all. I acknowledge you believe initial salvation is by grace through faith. However to remain in a saved state, according to your belief hinges on obeying the TC. Therefore, once saved, you only remain righteous/ justified before God if you obey the TC

This will be my last post for this because I want to keep to the OP.

We walk with Jesus in exactly the same way that we received; by Faith in God's Word. We walk by faith and not be sight. It is God who changes us as we abide in him. If we abide in him we will bare much fruit. If we do not abide in him we do not bare fruit and can do nothing of ourselves because all our righteousness in as filthy rags. If we abide in him we can do all things because God changes and strengthens us. He makes us a partaker of His divine nature and has given us all things to live a life of Godliness. All of this is only achieved by the very same way that we received him. by complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it will do. Salvation is from sin not in sin. Sin is the transgression of God's Law. The Wages of sin is death. Whosoever sins has nether seen him nor known him. He that says he knows him and is willfully and knowingly sinning is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Can you guess what scriptures I quoted? (back to the OP please)

In Christ Always!
 
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This will be my last post for this because I want to keep to the OP.

We walk with Jesus in exactly the same way that we received; by Faith in God's Word. We walk by faith and not be sight. It is God who changes us as we abide in him. If we do not abide in him we can do nothing of ourselves because all our righteousness in as filthy rags. If we abide in him we can do all things because God changes and strengthens us. He makes us a partaker of His divine nature and has given us all things to live a life of Godliness. All of this in only achieved by the very same way that we received him. by complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it will do. Salvation is from sin not in sin. Whosoever sins has nether seen him nor known him. He that says he knows him and is willfully and knowingly sinning is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Can you guess what scriptures I quoted? (back to the OP please)

In Christ Always!
Salvation is from sin not in sin?

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy made us alive with Christ EVEN WHEN we were dead in transgression/ sin. It is by grace you have been saved
EPG 2:5

You get saved when you are dead in transgression, then you follow the truth of the gospel message to live an ever holier life. And that is NOT by looking to the TC and believing if you fail to obey them you cannot remain in a saved state!

It doesn't matter you may write lengthy posts if protestations. You believe a person can only remain in a saved state, and therefore righteous/ justified before God if they obey the written code/ law of the TC. You show you do not understand Pauls core gospel message by believing that
 
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This will be my last post for this because I want to keep to the OP.

We walk with Jesus in exactly the same way that we received; by Faith in God's Word. We walk by faith and not be sight. It is God who changes us as we abide in him. If we abide in him we will bare much fruit. If we do not abide in him we do not bare fruit and can do nothing of ourselves because all our righteousness in as filthy rags. If we abide in him we can do all things because God changes and strengthens us. He makes us a partaker of His divine nature and has given us all things to live a life of Godliness. All of this is only achieved by the very same way that we received him. by complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it will do. Salvation is from sin not in sin. Sin is the transgression of God's Law. The Wages of sin is death. Whosoever sins has nether seen him nor known him. He that says he knows him and is willfully and knowingly sinning is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Can you guess what scriptures I quoted? (back to the OP please)

In Christ Always!
BTW
As you again quoted( correctly)
Sin is the transgression of the law

I will repeat. If we observe the law we do not commit sin, if we fail to observe the law we do commit sin.
Paul repeatedly states no one will be justified/ righteous/ before God by observing the law, which as you point out, is not committing sin!

BTW
John also wrote:

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

Must read the Bible as a cohesive whole!
 
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SDA are all over the place here. The op quoted that if we claim to know Jesus and knowingly and willfully sin we are a liar.
Yet the SDA church officially accepts as Christians, people who understand the seventh day is a Saturday, the biblical OT sabbath was a Saturday, but do not observe a set Saturday sabbath.
Confusion does indeed reign
 
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The acts of the sinfull nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatory and witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissections, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies and the like. I warn you, those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven
Gal5:19-21

Why did Paul NOT say:
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious:
Building graven images
Taking the Lord's name in vain
Failing to honour your parents
Failing to observe a seventh day sabbath
Murdering

Committing adultery
Stealing
Giving false testimony
Coveting
I warn you, those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Why did Paul not use the words of the TC when warning people about living according to the sinful nature?

For sin is the transgression of the law
 
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Dear Bob,

Some comments for your consideration

You rejected the scriptures sent to you that contradict your interpretation of God's Law being temporary. So in this you reject God's Word to you. 2 Cor 3 does not say God's 10 commandments were temporary it never has and you have not been able to say anything in relation to the OP on Col 2:16 with all the Scriptures because you cannot. More scripture for you to consider in relation to your claims above.

Ps 119:160
All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.
righteous Law
from H4941; משׁפּט; mishpâṭ; mish-pawt'; = God's Divine Law or Judgement

Psa 119:172,
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
righteousness
from H6664; צדק; tsedeq; tseh'-dek = Moral or Legal right

Psa 119:142,
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
everlasting from H5769; עולם עלם; ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm; o-lawm', o-lawm' = time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity always : - always (-s), ancient (time), continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end).

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

These are just a few of the many scriptures that say the opposite to your interpretation that God's Law is temporary. Must be hard for you when you see these.

So I share God's Word with you quoting 200+ scriptures saying the opposite of your interpretation above of Col 2:14-17 and you ignore it? Linked here; PART 1; PART 2; PART 3 and I am suppose to believe you over the Word of God why? You clearly do not know God's Word. If you do please by all means answer Part 1-3 in this OP that disagree with your statement above.

Who should we obey?

Act 5:29,

We ought to obey God rather than men.

Rom 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

No friend, I do not say it is wrong to keep Sunday as a Holy day over the commandments of God this is not true. Jesus says it not me;
Mar 7:5-13,
5,
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? 6, He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8, For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9, And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10, For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curses father or mother, let him die the death: 11, But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; he shall be free. 12, And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13, Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Here you can read about it in other places as well.

Mat 15:6-9,
6,
Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sunday Worship is a man made teaching and tradition over the Word of God breaking God's 4th commandment. If there is no commandment or scripture in God's Word that tells us to keep Sunday Worship as a Holy day in place of God's 7th Day Sabbath why should we do it? Should we obey the Word of God or man? (see Acts 5:29 for the answer)

It is not biblical to separate the Old Testament from the New Testament and say the Old Testament is no longer relevant. Why? Because everything in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament Scriptures. The 7th Day Sabbath as well as all the other commandments are all through the Old and New Testament writing and there is no commandment in ALL of God's Word that says that the 7th Day Sabbath is abolished and we are now required to keep Sunday Worship as a Holy day!

2 Tim3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Mat 4:4,
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You Reject God's Word in order you keep your traditions. This is between you and God. I do not judge you.

Sin is the same as it has always been disobedience to God's Word breaking His 10 commandments. 1 John 3:4 is referring to breaking God's Law (10 commandments) which is the definition of Sin the opposite of righteousness and referred to in the same chapter in verse 12 talking about the Murder Able by Cain (Ex 20:13)

How does God's Word define sin?

1 John 3:4
Sin = transgression of God's Law (10 commandments) context murder v 12.

1. Exo 20:3, Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

Judges 10:10, And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, saying, We have sinned against thee, both because we have forsaken our God, and also served Baalim.

2. Exo 20:4-5, Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

Jer 16:18, I will first doubly repay their iniquity and their sin, because they have polluted My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable idols and with their abominations.

3. Exo 20:7,Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

EXAMPLE OF SIN; (Professing God's name and not following him)
Mat 15:3-9, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

4. Exo 20:8-11, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;
Ex 35:2, Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)

5. Exo 20:12, Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God gives thee.

EXAMPLE COMMANDMENT;

Eph 6:1-3, "Honor your father and mother." This is the first commandment with a promise:

6. Exo 20:13, Thou shalt not kill.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

2Sam 12:9;13, Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon; David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die

7. Exo 20:14, Thou shalt not commit adultery.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;
Lev 20:10, If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)

8 Exo 20:15,
Thou shalt not steal.
9. Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie) against thy neighbour.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

Lev 6:2-4, If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbor in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbor; Or have found that which was lost, and lies concerning it, and swears falsely; in any of all these that a man does, sinning therein: Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found

10. Exo 20:17, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;
Isa 57:17,
For the iniquity (SIN) of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. Eph 5:5, For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

1 John 3:4 "SIN is the transgression of God's Law"
Ezekiel 18:4 "the soul that sins, it shall die."
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death;"
Romans 8:13 "For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die:"

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Friend receiving God's Word is not salvation by Works because we receive it by Faith.

Seems like you forgot the context of 1 John 3:19 lets look at it;

1 John 3:3-10,

3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. 4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

That one is not working to well for you.

Here let me show you again;

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Sunday Worship is a man made teaching and tradition of man over the Word of God. There is no scripture in God's Word that tells us to keep it over God's 7th Day Sabbath. If you want to keep it over God's Word, this is between you and God. I do not judge you. The Word will Judge us in the last days.

In Christ Always!
Hi LGW, I am not under the law, so how could I be judged by the law? The law was for Israel only. God has never ever given it to any other nation or people. The 10 commandments were given to Israel as part of the covenant that was broken and discarded. It was a temporary fix for one nation. New covenant Christians are not affected by the commandments of death. There is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath or new covenant Sabbath.

Why have you avoided answering my questions bigtime. What does transient mean, what does was mean, what does "If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!" mean and what does "And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!" mean?

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Hint, transitory means temporary, was is the past tense of is, Ministry that brought (past tense) condemnation = 10 commandments, ministry that brings (present tense) righteousness = Holy Spirit. the 10 commandments came (past tense) with glory, Glory which lasts (10 commandments didn't last) is (present tense) greater.

All that you are now writing are nothing but false threats. You started out trying to get us to buy in to your false theory and are ending up with false threats. What a way to turn us off.
 
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The acts of the sinfull nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatory and witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissections, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies and the like. I warn you, those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven
Gal5:19-21

Why did Paul NOT say:
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious:
Building graven images
Taking the Lord's name in vain
Failing to honour your parents
Failing to observe a seventh day sabbath
Murdering

Committing adultery
Stealing
Giving false testimony
Coveting
I warn you, those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Why did Paul not use the words of the TC when warning people about living according to the sinful nature?

For sin is the transgression of the law
The 10 commandments do not even have the greatest commandment to love one another. So much for being God's character. SDAs parrot so much without ever evaluating the cliches.
 
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The 10 commandments doesn't even have the greatest commandment to love one another. So much for being God's character. SDAs parrot so much without ever evaluating the cliches.
One wonders why sda do not include love your neighbour as yourself to the TC when stating you cannot be saved if you don't obey them. Love your neighbour as yourself supercedes nine of the TC
 
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Under the old covenant the Holy Spirit had not yet been sent( john7:39)
Under the NC Father and Son dwell in believers and believers in them through the Holy Spirit who dwells in them( john17:21)

It is all so very different from the OC. God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert him once they reached the promised land. They had to be reminded to set a certain day aside each week to praise and worship God, and to meditate on him. But Christians meditate on God every day of the week, for he lives in them through the Holy Spirit who dwells in them. When you are working or relaxing, you instinctively much of the time meditate on Father and Son, for they are spiritually speaking within you, and you in them.
So, spiritually speaking you could obey the fourth commandment seven days a week, in respect of what it is meant to achieve.
Hence Paul states:
One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers everyday alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5
What does God want from you when you attend church? He wants your heartfelt, praise, worship and thanks for what he did for you by sending His Son to die for you. The heartfelt praise, worship and thanks of anyone for that will be accepted on any of the seven days you go to church and make it. God will not turn aside from such worship and praise if it is made on one day rather than another.
Gods law is written in the mind and placed in the heart of the believer under the NC. What is in your mind you instinctively know. You instinctively know, you should not covet, steal, murder, bear false witness or commit adultery. But NO Christian would instinctively know they must obey a set seventh day sabbath, they would have to read the written code of the OC to believe that:
The Christian is called to die to the law and follow after the holy spirit. You cannot do that if you believe you can only remain saved if you obey the written code of the TC. For then you must follow after the law, not die to it. And if you follow after the law, you cannot follow after the holy spirit at the same time.
Many who go to church follow the partial letter rigidly, for they do not, nor cannot discern the spiritual message contained in the letter. The Pharisees of Jesus day are a good example of this. They could endlessly quote the letter, for they knew the letter of the then scriptures inside and out, but they did not know the true spiritual message that letter contained.
There is nothing wrong with setting aside a set day as a sabbath day if you wish to, it is wrong to insist everyone else must do the same.
A new covenant came into existence when Christ rose from the dead. And once that NC was in existence you will not find one verse of scripture that states you must observe a set seventh day sabbath. Neither will you find even one verse of scripture that states the words: you must obey the TC
However, as Jesus said:
Many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say: The old is better
Luke5:39
 
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This section arises because there are some today who like to twist scripture and in order to justify keeping man made traditions that break God's commandments. Some even knowingly and willfully break God's Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11) and think that there will be no consequences. However, all sin has consequences and breaking the Sabbath commandment is no exception. Some even accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath commandment, which he did not. He did give others permission to break the letter of the law, like the man at the pool of Bethesda (John 5:8), and defended his disciples who also did (Matthew 12:2), because he was Lord of the Sabbath and came to teach man how to keep the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28). However, he himself never did break it, but in these cases he operated in the hierarchy of the law whenever there was a human need and good needed to be done. This was how a spiritual man should operate; not the letter but the Spirit. This bible study explains from scripture the penalty for breaking any of God's commandments including the Sabbath commandment.

Sin is the transgression of God’s Law; The wages of sin is death

EXODUS 31:15
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

NUMBERS 15:32-36
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation.
34 And they put him under guard because it was not declared what should be done with him.
35 And Yahweh said to Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.

Note 1: Here we can see that the penalty for breaking the Sabbath commandment in the time of Moses according to the civil laws was physical death, but what about today? The scripture declares:

(Ezekiel 18:4) "the soul that sins, it shall die."
(Romans 6:23) "For the wages of sin is death;"
(Romans 8:13) "For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die:"

The penalty is still the same, but not through the judgement of a civil court. Unless Jesus returns first, we will all die physically one day because of our sin, which may include breaking the Sabbath commandment, but we may also die eternally if we are knowingly and willfully practicing sin.

Other penalties are listed in God's word:

God promised to pour his fury out on those who polluted his Sabbaths (Ezekiel 20:21). God promised that he would scatter his people who did not keep his commandments, including the Sabbath day (Ezekiel 20:23-24), and give them bad statutes and judgements which would not give them life (Ezekiel 20:24-25). The denominational system that we see today is equivalent to being scattered and wandering in a spiritual wilderness. This has happened because people went away from God's commandments, including keeping the Sabbath day. Many are now believing, and keeping doctrines which are false, such as Sunday worship, which cannot give them life.

Note 2: Because "sin is the transgression of the law." (1 John 3:4 KJV), then any consequence of sin is possible for breaking the Sabbath commandment. Here are some of them:

(1) No protection (Josh 7:11-12; Judges 3:7-8; 6:1; 13:1).
(2) Others suffering because of us (Deut 28:15-18; 28:58-59; 2 Sam 12:13-19; Hosea 9:16-17).
(3) Our soul will be "spoiled" of plundered (Prov 8:36; 22:22-23).
(4) Physical or spiritual blindness (Job 11:20; Isaiah 44:17-18; Lam 5:16-17; Zeph1:17).
(5) Our heart may be hardened (Heb 3:13).
(6) More deception (Jer 5:25-27; Oba 1:3; Rom 7:11; Heb 3:13).
(7) Lack of understanding (Isaiah 44:17-18; Dan 9:13; Rom 3:9-11).
(8) Confusion (Dan 9:7-8).
(9) A lack of blessings (2 Chron 7:13-14; Jer 5:25).
(10) Prayers not answered (Psalm 66:18; Prov 28:9; Isaiah 59:2).
(11) Sickness (Lev 26:21; Deut 28:15-22, 58-61; Psalm 25:18; 31:10; 38:3-5; 39:11; 89:30-33; 107:10-11, 107:17; Prov 11:17; Jer 30:14-15; Dan 9:11; Mic 6:12-13; Matt 9:5)
(12) A stumbling-block before us (Eze 3:20; 14:3-4).
(13) Chastisement (Lev 26:27-28; Psalm 107:17; Jer 30:14).
(14) Our name blotted out of God's book of life (Ex 32:33), which will cause us to be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:10; 20:15; 21:8).
(15) Separation from God (Josh 7:11-12; Isaiah 59:2).

The list is not exhaustive, but there are some good reasons here not to break the Sabbath commandment.

If you willfully and knowingly sin you will be lost

Matt 7:21-23 (Jesus)
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Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name and in your name have cast out demons and in your name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I confess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you who work sin1.

Matt 13:40-42 (Jesus)
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this age. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and those who do sin; 42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Titus 2:13-14
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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all sin, and purify to himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Heb 1:8-9
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But to the Son he says, your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness, and hated lawlessness1; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.

1 John 3:4
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Whosoever committeth sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Note: The word translated lawlessness1 which can also be used in (Matt 7:23; 13:41; Titus 2:14; Heb 1:9; 1 John 3:4) (Gr. ἀνομία, Gtr. anomia) is made up from two parts, "ἀ" which is a negative, and νόμος (Gtr. nomos) which means "law". It literally means "not law", "no law", or "lawlessness", and refers to things done which are contrary to the law of God. The King James Version of the bible translates every one of these places as "iniquity or sin" except "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4 KJV). Why did Jesus refuse entrance to the kingdom of God to these people who prophesied, cast out demons, and did many wonderful works in his name (Matt 7:22-23)? Because they broke God's law. Why will the angels cast people into a furnace of fire at the end of the age (Matt 13:41-42)? Because they broke God's law. Jesus died to redeem us from "all lawlessness" (Titus 2:14), because he hates it (Hebrews 1:9). Isn't this a good reason to keep the Sabbath day? The apostle James said, "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (James 2:10), so where does that leave those who do not keep the Sabbath day? They are guilty of breaking every one of the Ten Commandments, including idolatry, adultery, and murder. Idolaters and adulterers cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21). No murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 John 3:15). The fate of lawless people will be to be cast into "a furnace of fire:" (Matt 10:42; Rev 21:8). Also we have seen that the penalty for sin is death, and the lake of fire (Gehenna) is called the second death (Rev 20:14), so why risk getting cast in there? Man is not the judge of who goes into the lake of fire and who doesn't, but these are good scriptural reasons to avoid breaking the Sabbath commandment.

The words of Jesus to all those who wilfully and knowingly break God’s Commandments

Matt 15:7-9 (Jesus)
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You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honours me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:6-9 (Jesus)
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He answered and said to them, Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 However in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things you do.
9 And he said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13 (Jesus)
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Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which you have delivered: and many such like things you do.

Note: When people lay aside the Sabbath day, and keep Sunday instead, they do exactly what Jesus said:

Mark 7:8 "laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men,"
Mark 7:9 "you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition."

This is evil, because it makes the word of God of no effect when we substitute man's tradition for God's word (Mark 7:13). Those who observe Sunday, and do not keep the Sabbath day, teach others by their example.

Jesus' words are still applicable to us today:

Matt 24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Matt 19:17 "if you will enter into life, keep the commandments."
Luke 6:46 "And why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
Matt 19:17 "keep the commandments."
John 14:15-24 "If you love me, keep my commandments. ... He who has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is who loves me: ... If a man loves me, he will keep my words: ... He who does not love me does not keep my sayings:"
Matthew 19:17 "keep the commandments."
John 12:48 "He who rejects me, and does not receive my words, has one who judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

The apostle Paul also confirmed the importance of Jesus' words:

1 Tim 6:3-4 "If any man teaches otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,".

Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

All of the above includes the 7th Day Sabbath. Jesus says if you do love him you will keep His commandments. He will save you by the faith you have in His Promises.

In Christ!
 
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And so the true dividing line in Christianity is whether you follow after the holy spirit and die to the law, as Paul says you must, or whether you follow after the law, believing you can only be in a saved state if you follow after the written code.
Those who do not follow after the holy spirit, by refusing to die to the law say: you must obey the TC to remain in a saved state. Those who follow after the Holy Spirit do not say that
 
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And so the true dividing line in Christianity is whether you follow after the holy spirit and die to the law, as Paul says you must, or whether you follow after the law, believing you can only be in a saved state if you follow after the written code.
Those who do not follow after the holy spirit, refusing to die to the law say you must obey the TC to remain in a saved state. Those who follow after the Holy Spirit do not say that

Agreed but no one receives the Holy Spirit while willfully and knowingly continuing in sin (breaking God's 10 commandments)

Act 5:32,
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

In Christ!

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The long posts are just mountains of Scripture and those that Love God hear His voice ...
 
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Agreed but no one receives the Holy Spirit while willfully and knowingly continuing in sin (breaking God's 10 commandments)

Act 5:32,
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

In Christ!
You receive the holy spirit at the point of conversion:

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17
You couldn't do an exegesis of the above could you, for it is spiritually discerned by those who follow after the holy spirit, not the written code.
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You cannot be a Christian unless the holy spirit dwells in you( rom8:9) and I repeat. The SDA church accept people as Christians who understand the biblical seventh day was a Saturday, but do not observe a set Saturday sabbath!!!
 
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Agreed but no one receives the Holy Spirit while willfully and knowingly continuing in sin (breaking God's 10 commandments)

Act 5:32,
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

In Christ!

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The long posts are just mountains of Scripture and those that Love God hear His voice ...
Paul says the Christian must die to the law in order to live for God.
Sinfull passions are aroused in you by the law if you live under it. The Christian is released from the law and serves in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code. He included the TC in that statement!!
 
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Agreed but no one receives the Holy Spirit while willfully and knowingly continuing in sin (breaking God's 10 commandments)

Act 5:32,
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

In Christ!

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The long posts are just mountains of Scripture and those that Love God hear His voice ...
Absolutely, those who love God hear his voice, and can discern the true spiritual message contained in the letter. They don't just quote the letter!
 
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You receive the holy spirit at the point of conversion If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker Gal2:16&17 You couldn't do an exegesis of the above could you, for it is spiritually discerned by those who follow after the holy spirit, not the written code. BTW You cannot be a Christian unless the holy spirit dwells in you( rom8:9) and I repeat. The SDA church accept people as Christians who understand the biblical seventh day was a Saturday, but do not observe a set Saturday sabbath!!!

Confession of Sin, repentance and turning away from Sin, receive the Holy Spirit...

1Jo 1:9,
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Gal 3:24-25
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Col 2:6
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: <His commandments now become promises>

Rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:4,

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Act 5:32,

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Psalm 66:18,

"If I regard wickedness in my heart, the Lord will not hear."

Prov 1:28-29,

“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me, 29 Because they hated knowledge, And did not choose the fear of the Lord.

Prov 28:9,
He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

1 John 2:4

He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

In Christ!

PS We must obey God rather than man (Acts 5:29)
 
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Confession of Sin, repentance and turning away from Sin, receive the Holy Spirit...

1Jo 1:9,
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Gal 3:24-25
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Col 2:6
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

Rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:4,

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Act 5:32,

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Psalm 66:18,

"If I regard wickedness in my heart, the Lord will not hear."

Proverbs 1:28-29,

“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me, 29 Because they hated knowledge, And did not choose the fear of the Lord.

Prov 28:9,
He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

1 John 2:4

He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

In Christ!
You see, you prove my point well. You could not discern and explain the scripture I placed before you. Only respond by quoting verses of scripture. You would never make a good minister would you. They have to explain scripture, not just quote it
 
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You see, you prove my point well. You could not discern and explain the scripture I placed before you. Only respond by quoting verses of scripturerupture. You would never make a good minister would you. They have to explain scripture, not just quote it

I use scripture that is self explaining. I only need to connect the dots when needed. God's Word speaks for itself. Scripture interprets scripture; Line upon Line here a little there a little... We must believe and obey God over our own opinions because it is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days. I do not judge you.

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I use scripture that is self explaining. I only need to connect the dots when needed. God's Word speaks for itself. Scripture interprets scripture; Line upon Line here a little there a little... We must believe and obey God over our own opinions because it is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days. I do not judge you.

In Christ!
I repeat. What minister preaches a sermon by only quoting the letter? They have to explain it.
Your entire belief system is based on obeying the written code in order to be in a saved state. Deny it all you wish, it is evident that is what you believe. A form of the OC, not the new one
 
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