So what's with all the weird stuff

Goatee · Aug 10, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
Yeah, one and two liners, goatee's favorite.

Short and sweet and to the point! Better than lots of drivel!

parousia70 · Aug 10, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
It's the last time I'm going to listen to your comments that Paul and James were wrong.

I believe they were correct when they claimed the coming of the Lord was Near 2000 years ago, and that the ends of the ages had come upon THEM, THEN.
What possible, scriptural reason do you have for claiming the opposite of what they taught?
Do you know something they didn't?

You're not worth the electrons I just spent dealing wit you.

Yet for some reason, you just can't help yourself

Like I said, I had a better opinion of Catholics before I started dealing with you.

Well I had a better opinion of futurists before I started dealing with you....
wait... No I didn't. Now that I think about it, I don't find anything special about you at all. You're pretty much run of the mill.
Nevermind.

I have more important things to do like shovel manure.

Prove it.
Put me on ignore and go play in the poo.

parousia70 · Aug 10, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
I like debunking people

Great!
When should we expect you to start?

Hal A Peno · Aug 11, 2017

Goatee said:
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled

Which generation? Obviously the APOSTLES generation! Not 2,000 years away!

A quick look at the grammar and context of the previous 30 verses, including the short parable of the fig tree, can go a long way in understanding this. If all you're going to do is repeat one line heresy, I'm going to do the right thing...

Let me walk you through it AGAIN.

"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."

The interlinear words it like this...
thus also ye whenever ye-may-be-perceiving all these be-ye-knowing that near He-IS on doors.

'So likewise' means Jesus is comparing all of the things he mentioned between verses 3-33 with the fig tree parable.

When ye shall see all these things .....
WHENEVER you MAY be perceiving all these things, is what it really says.

It's just amazing. Mathew was written after AD70. Even if we accept the preterist view of AD65, that means that GOD ALLOWED ONLY A 5 YEAR SPAN WHERE THE BIBLE COULD BE PREACHED, COPIED, TRANSLATED AND DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE WORD....

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

PERCEIVING WHAT THINGS?
The events Jesus mentioned between verses 3-33.

The 'antecedent' to, "when ye shall see all these things," is verses 3-33. The 'antecedent to the words, "know that it is near," is the appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: as well as the signs mentioned between v.3-33, AND THAT INCLUDES THE CONSUMATION OF THE AGE WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DISCIPLES ORIGINAL QUESTIONS.

NOT AD70!

near, of place and position, of time
Near of what position and what time?...
V.30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
...even at the doors.

The interlinear says...
NEAR HE IS ON THE DOORS.

This is speaking of Christ return being imminent when we see all the events of Mathew 24:3-33 pass.

Jesus wasn't saying the destruction of the temple and the events of Mathew 24 were near, he's saying that the appearance of the sign of the Son of man is near when you see all the things between verses 3-33 pass. That's how he's comparing the parable of the fig tree. When we see leaves, we know summer is near. When we see the events of verse 3-33 pass, we know Christ return is near.

The grammar, context, and every antecedent implies the generation Jesus is talking ABOUT is the one that sees the events of v.3-33 pass, NOT the generation of people he's speaking to.

jgr · Aug 11, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
The grammar, context, and every antecedent implies the generation Jesus is talking ABOUT is the one that sees the events of v.3-33 pass, NOT the generation of people he's speaking to.

Then why did the disciples and all of the believers heed Jesus' warnings and flee prior to the cataclysm? (Matthew 24:16)

Hal A Peno · Aug 11, 2017

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jgr · Aug 11, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
There was NO abomination of desolation that stood in the Temple in AD70. When the wailing wall does fall, i.e. "not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down," then they know that birthpangs are here and it's time to get out. People flee into the mountains or remote areas when being invaded. It's common sense.

So the disciples and believers were mistaken, and should have ignored Jesus' warnings, and should have stayed where they were, and been slaughtered?

Hal A Peno · Aug 12, 2017

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jgr · Aug 12, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
You are mistaken, a common problem of yours that you try to blame on others.

You told us you were a good debunker. That's not even a bad debunk.

Goatee · Aug 12, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
A quick look at the grammar and context of the previous 30 verses, including the short parable of the fig tree, can go a long way in understanding this. If all you're going to do is repeat one line heresy, I'm going to do the right thing...

Let me walk you through it AGAIN.

"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."

The interlinear words it like this...
thus also ye whenever ye-may-be-perceiving all these be-ye-knowing that near He-IS on doors.

'So likewise' means Jesus is comparing all of the things he mentioned between verses 3-33 with the fig tree parable.

When ye shall see all these things .....
WHENEVER you MAY be perceiving all these things, is what it really says.

It's just amazing. Mathew was written after AD70. Even if we accept the preterist view of AD65, that means that GOD ALLOWED ONLY A 5 YEAR SPAN WHERE THE BIBLE COULD BE PREACHED, COPIED, TRANSLATED AND DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE WORD....

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

PERCEIVING WHAT THINGS?
The events Jesus mentioned between verses 3-33.

The 'antecedent' to, "when ye shall see all these things," is verses 3-33. The 'antecedent to the words, "know that it is near," is the appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: as well as the signs mentioned between v.3-33, AND THAT INCLUDES THE CONSUMATION OF THE AGE WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DISCIPLES ORIGINAL QUESTIONS.

NOT AD70!

near, of place and position, of time
Near of what position and what time?...
V.30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
...even at the doors.

The interlinear says...
NEAR HE IS ON THE DOORS.

This is speaking of Christ return being imminent when we see all the events of Mathew 24:3-33 pass.

Jesus wasn't saying the destruction of the temple and the events of Mathew 24 were near, he's saying that the appearance of the sign of the Son of man is near when you see all the things between verses 3-33 pass. That's how he's comparing the parable of the fig tree. When we see leaves, we know summer is near. When we see the events of verse 3-33 pass, we know Christ return is near.

The grammar, context, and every antecedent implies the generation Jesus is talking ABOUT is the one that sees the events of v.3-33 pass, NOT the generation of people he's speaking to.

Obviously you are wrong in your interpretation as far as I am concerned
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Goatee · Aug 12, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
There was NO abomination of desolation that stood in the Temple in AD70. When the wailing wall does fall, i.e. "not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down," then they know that birthpangs are here and it's time to get out. People flee into the mountains or remote areas when being invaded. It's common sense.

It's common sense to see that it does not mean that every single stone will not have any other stones on top of them! The wailing wall is a tiny remnant of what is left of the original magnificent temple!

Hal A Peno · Aug 12, 2017

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Goatee · Aug 12, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
As far as you're concerned? I know it, and you don't have it in you to prove I'm wrong.

Really? Just read up on the Preterist / Partial Preterist views and you will see the truth. Too many people have jumped on the doom and gloom band wagon of imminent terror in this day and age.

Study scripture properly and you will see that these things have passed.

Jesus said all would happen in the Apostles generation. I believe the words of Jesus, not of those who misunderstand scripture!

Tribulation has followed believers since the time of Christ.

JESUS WON ON THE CROSS! JESUS LIVES AMONGST US AND IN US NOW!

Goatee · Aug 12, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
Maybe you should look up the size of these stones.
SEE YE NOT ALL THESE THINGS???

Misinterpretation. That's what you are doing.

claninja · Aug 14, 2017

keras said:
Jesus will physically come again in His glory, to reign for 1000 years.

1.) Who/What is the last enemy to be put under Jesus' feet?
2.) Will Christ be in heaven or on Earth until all his enemies are put under his feet?

claninja · Aug 14, 2017

Hal A Peno said:
AND THAT INCLUDES THE CONSUMATION OF THE AGE WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DISCIPLES ORIGINAL QUESTIONS.

When was the consummation of the age? According to the author of Hebrews, it was when Christ appeared and put away sin by his sacrifice.

Hebrews 9:26
Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hal A Peno said:
Jesus wasn't saying the destruction of the temple and the events of Mathew 24 were near, he's saying that the appearance of the sign of the Son of man is near when you see all the things between verses 3-33 pass. That's how he's comparing the parable of the fig tree. When we see leaves, we know summer is near. When we see the events of verse 3-33 pass, we know Christ return is near.

The grammar, context, and every antecedent implies the generation Jesus is talking ABOUT is the one that sees the events of v.3-33 pass, NOT the generation of people he's speaking to.

Let's truly understand what the "coming" of the son of man is.

Matthew 26:64 “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”e

Daniel 7:13-14
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,a coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

keras · Aug 14, 2017

claninja said:
1.) Who/What is the last enemy to be put under Jesus' feet?
2.) Will Christ be in heaven or on Earth until all his enemies are put under his feet?

1/ The very last 'enemy' is Death, that wont be done away with until after the Great White Throne Judgement, after the Millennium. But Jesus will Return after His enemies, the attackers of Israel are destroyed, firstly on His Day of wrath, the Psalms 83 attack, then the Gog/Magog destruction, then Armageddon.
2/ He will be in heaven: His Day of wrath - Psalms 11:4-6, Gog/Magog - Ezekiel 39:6-7, Armageddon - Revelation 16:12-18

claninja · Aug 14, 2017

keras said:
1/ The very last 'enemy' is Death, that wont be done away with until after the Great White Throne Judgement, after the Millennium. But Jesus will Return after His enemies, the attackers of Israel are destroyed, firstly on His Day of wrath, the Psalms 83 attack, then the Gog/Magog destruction, then Armageddon.
2/ He will be in heaven: His Day of wrath - Psalms 11:4-6, Gog/Magog - Ezekiel 39:6-7, Armageddon - Revelation 16:12-18

You do see the contradiction in your answer don't you?

Hal A Peno · Aug 14, 2017

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